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Post by peterparker on Jul 13, 2017 2:37:46 GMT
The trouble i have with the gambling ads, the in play ones particularly is they make it all so exciting and easy. As a gambler myself i know how easy it is to just do another bet, or another couple of quid. I used to be good on the old fruiters, lesrning the patterns by playing or watching and it was always so easy to sink a couple of quid in 'knowing' it would pay out soon. Its easy to say self control, but it is a buzz, a fix and depending on your game over in an instant. Blackjack is over in seconds. You can win a few quid in a couple of minutes and suddenly you have lost it and you are chasing the loss in no time I dont know what your gambling resume is, but mine whilst i have generally always stopped myself, i have lost more than i should/could on occasions because, just because. Thankfully i dont have the time, boredom or money to do it to much bar the occasional footie acca I have always loved a bet. It has never got fully out of control though. Simply because I haven't let it! I have chased in the past and done more than I was planning. Everytime I have done that I have been so angry with myself. There is always a certain amount I would get to though and stop (even though I had plenty more money I could have carried on gambling). I just think it is all too easy to push the blame elsewhere and we are almost making excuses for these people by doing it. I guess it is all down to self control at the end of the day. Nothing excuses the crime, but sometimes you have to look at the why. When does loss of self control become addiction? I have had a friend die of a Heroin overdose. If i tell you that a junkie dies of a heroin O/D, some people would say so what?, but my friend wasnt a stereotyped junkie, he was one of the wave of middle class opiet deaths in America. What drives an ordinary working bloke with a girlfriend, decent job and one i saw a few weeks earlier to die a couple of weeks later because he had a secret heroin addiction? When does once become twice, three times etc Now maybe thats a bit heavy but i dont think self control is always as easy as can be said The court heard all the facts, evidence and arguments and made an informed decision unlike the online judge and jurors. Maybe sbe did get off lightly and she is certainly lucky, but there are lots of factors in play here including the SCs relationship with Sandra |
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Post by philbemmygas on Jul 13, 2017 6:55:28 GMT
I have always loved a bet. It has never got fully out of control though. Simply because I haven't let it! I have chased in the past and done more than I was planning. Everytime I have done that I have been so angry with myself. There is always a certain amount I would get to though and stop (even though I had plenty more money I could have carried on gambling). I just think it is all too easy to push the blame elsewhere and we are almost making excuses for these people by doing it. I guess it is all down to self control at the end of the day. Nothing excuses the crime, but sometimes you have to look at the why. When does loss of self control become addiction? I have had a friend die of a Heroin overdose. If i tell you that a junkie dies of a heroin O/D, some people would say so what?, but my friend wasnt a stereotyped junkie, he was one of the wave of middle class opiet deaths in America. What drives an ordinary working bloke with a girlfriend, decent job and one i saw a few weeks earlier to die a couple of weeks later because he had a secret heroin addiction? When does once become twice, three times etc Now maybe thats a bit heavy but i dont think self control is always as easy as can be said The court heard all the facts, evidence and arguments and made an informed decision unlike the online judge and jurors. Maybe sbe did get off lightly and she is certainly lucky, but there are lots of factors in play here including the SCs relationship with Sandra Thats a sad story about your friend, but it does hilight the difficulties with identifying addiction. Drug addicts do not all walk around with a blackened spoon/syringe sticking out of their back pocket. Much the same as this case, we can all preach self control but if you have a weakness it can easily get out of control. Some of the blame quite rightly has been put at the door of the SC executive comittee, they have since instigated a set of checks and balances to make sure this cant happen again. I recall JC being in tears when this was discussed at the SC meeting, 30 years of friendship had led to trust and him and others being let down by Sandra. I can understand how and why it happened, and also by the double signatory measure that it wont happen again. What I find distasteful is the blaze attitude of some going on the basis of a newspaper article forming a lynching party (farcebook etal). We the members of the supporters club, have had the misappropriated funds returned and justice has been served on the criminal (whether you agree on that fact is a moot point). Time to put this behind us and support the Jonn Snout campaign over at BS3, or more importantly get behind our team with the campagn only weeks away. Come on you BLUES  |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 13, 2017 8:35:13 GMT
Coincidentally, Chuck Blazer died yesterday, who received millions, possibly 10's of millions of dollars illicitly through football, and after being caught red-handed, then admitting it and grassing up everyone else, managed to avoid jail.
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Post by bs10er on Jul 13, 2017 10:06:26 GMT
As others have said,prehaps the SC must take some blame,but it is very sad,for years it has been down to trust,and if you cannot trust someone you have known for 30 years,who can you trust?
I have known Sandra and her husband for a long time(not what you would call friends)through the SC on match days,it was a big shock to everyone,especially her long term SC close friends. I thought right from the start(before her name was mentioned) that there had to be some reason and it turns out it was gambling. Very sad.
Life for her and Kevin will never be the same that's for sure.Personally I thought she would get a suspended sentence and I am not unhappy about that The money has been paid back and lessons have been learnt.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 13, 2017 10:23:30 GMT
I guess the problem here is victim blaming.
I really can't see how anyone can suggest that the SC have done anything wrong here.
Nieve, yes. But it's very unfair to have a pop at the SC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 10:32:16 GMT
Knew Kevin from the Wellie before games and in the West enclosure during them.
Seemed to be a very decent bloke and known by loads of gasheads for many years, including a great bunch who had attended games home and away for many many years with him.
Have to say his absence over recent months is very sad for obvious reasons.
Not condoning his wife's wrongdoings, but the court has now dealt out the punishment and I for one can not disagree with that.
I for one would be quite happy to buy him a pint if he could find the courage to start attending games again. Excuse the pun.
What's done has been done and I find it very sad that a fanatical Gashead has been unable to watch the team over recent times.
UTG!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 13, 2017 10:38:24 GMT
As others have said, prehaps the SC must take some blame,but it is very sad,for years it has been down to trust,and if you cannot trust someone you have known for 30 years,who can you trust? I have known Sandra and her husband for a long time(not what you would call friends)through the SC on match days,it was a big shock to everyone,especially her long term SC close friends. I thought right from the start(before her name was mentioned) that there had to be some reason and it turns out it was gambling. Very sad. Life for her and Kevin will never be the same that's for sure.Personally I thought she would get a suspended sentence and I am not unhappy about that The money has been paid back and lessons have been learnt. SC, gambling adverts etc?! All this is absolutely ludicrous! There is one person to blame and that is her by the sounds of it. Own up and take responsibility for your actions. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 13, 2017 11:09:36 GMT
You could say the same for smoking and drinking but the government still banned all advertising at sporting events.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 13, 2017 11:27:27 GMT
As others have said, prehaps the SC must take some blame,but it is very sad,for years it has been down to trust,and if you cannot trust someone you have known for 30 years,who can you trust? I have known Sandra and her husband for a long time(not what you would call friends)through the SC on match days,it was a big shock to everyone,especially her long term SC close friends. I thought right from the start(before her name was mentioned) that there had to be some reason and it turns out it was gambling. Very sad. Life for her and Kevin will never be the same that's for sure.Personally I thought she would get a suspended sentences and I am not unhappy about that The money has been paid back and lessons have been learnt. SC, gambling adverts etc?! All this is absolutely ludicrous! There is one person to blame and that is her by the sounds of it. Own up and take responsibility for your actions. If advertising didn't work, why do it? At the very least it normalizes gambling and at the worse actively encourages reckless behaviour in vulnerable people. 99% of people do not have a problem and can happily gamble responsibly. |
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Post by peterparker on Jul 13, 2017 11:48:59 GMT
As others have said, prehaps the SC must take some blame,but it is very sad,for years it has been down to trust,and if you cannot trust someone you have known for 30 years,who can you trust? I have known Sandra and her husband for a long time(not what you would call friends)through the SC on match days,it was a big shock to everyone,especially her long term SC close friends. I thought right from the start(before her name was mentioned) that there had to be some reason and it turns out it was gambling. Very sad. Life for her and Kevin will never be the same that's for sure.Personally I thought she would get a suspended sentence and I am not unhappy about that The money has been paid back and lessons have been learnt. SC, gambling adverts etc?! All this is absolutely ludicrous! There is one person to blame and that is her by the sounds of it. Own up and take responsibility for your actions.
I think you seemed to have ignored most of what has been written.
Of course the SC have some blame. She would not have been able to steal the money had proper procedures been in place at the time. The amount of people having a pop on Facebook, haven’t stopped to ask how/why ‘their’ money went missing and I bet most of them have never gone to an SC meeting in their life
The gambling adverts are a side discussion, the make it all sound so sexy and exciting and not least so easy to do nowadays on your phone that anyone can do it. Not the same as the old days of walking in to a smoke filled bookies that someone like Sandra may never have stepped foot in. Why is Tobacco advertising banned? Because we don’t want to encourage people to smoke, so why is Gambling and Alcohol sponsorship deemed less worse?
I hope you, nor anyone close to you never has to suffer from an addiction or depression. These are not excuses for doing something, or absolving people of responsibility for their actions, but they are real things that are factors to cause normal people to do things. Sandra Jacques was not an habitual criminal, she is a middle aged woman who spent a lot of her life doing good for BRFSC and BRFC. She will still have done more than most of us put together. Her punishment is more than just a sentence handed down by a judge. It’s shame, embarrassment, people hurling abuse at her on the internet and probably never being able to watch a team she has spent most of her life helping, let alone supporting again
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Post by philbemmygas on Jul 13, 2017 11:55:01 GMT
SC, gambling adverts etc?! All this is absolutely ludicrous! There is one person to blame and that is her by the sounds of it. Own up and take responsibility for your actions.
I think you seemed to have ignored most of what has been written.
Of course the SC have some blame. She would not have been able to steal the money had proper procedures been in place at the time. The amount of people having a pop on Facebook, haven’t stopped to ask how/why ‘their’ money went missing and I bet most of them have never gone to an SC meeting in their life
The gambling adverts are a side discussion, the make it all sound so sexy and exciting and not least so easy to do nowadays on your phone that anyone can do it. Not the same as the old days of walking in to a smoke filled bookies that someone like Sandra may never have stepped foot in. Why is Tobacco advertising banned? Because we don’t want to encourage people to smoke, so why is Gambling and Alcohol sponsorship deemed less worse?
I hope you, nor anyone close to you never has to suffer from an addiction or depression. These are not excuses for doing something, or absolving people of responsibility for their actions, but they are real things that are factors to cause normal people to do things. Sandra Jacques was not an habitual criminal, she is a middle aged woman who spent a lot of her life doing good for BRFSC and BRFC. She will still have done more than most of us put together. Her punishment is more than just a sentence handed down by a judge. It’s shame, embarrassment, people hurling abuse at her on the internet and probably never being able to watch a team she has spent most of her life helping, let alone supporting again
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 14:10:40 GMT
My ex had a gambling addiction along which later beacme a cocaine addiction (hence why are no longer together) its horrible addiction.
As I suffer with Bi-polar type 2 she used to handle all the money and she was able to hide it for 12 months it only came to light by accident( came home one day to carnage she was watered out of head holding the Ipad screaming how she had to win ) would of gone on for another 12 months if that hadn't happened
After getting to the bottom of it and checking the records of the online site she was using we worked out in 12mths she had spunked over £12,000 on just one bingo site god knows what other sites she was using so it could of been more.
I changed all the passwords and blocked the site and cards but all she done was opened up another account and used another bank card completly destroyed our relationship all the trust that had been built up the final straw was when she spent all the money for bills and food shopping leftus in right sh** street and with loads of debt.
Im still paying for her addiction its taken a while after i set up payment plans but the amount I owe is considerably lower.
One turd are having a field day with this story until you've live with a addict, they have no idea anyone would think there sh** dont stink but there just as bad ask a well known superstore chain what they are like on home matches thieving little fuckers and rude at that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 16:15:28 GMT
Forget her motives The real issue is Governance How the hell could this happen? Why should we always forget the person who is responsible for the crime? Why is it always someone else's fault in this country other than the person who has committed the crime? You're wrong. The real issue is the dishonest woman who stole £176k from the accounts of BRSC. Not the fact she was able to do it. |
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Post by peterparker on Jul 13, 2017 16:27:17 GMT
Forget her motives The real issue is Governance How the hell could this happen? Why should we always forget the person who is responsible for the crime? Why is it always someone else's fault in this country other than the person who has committed the crime? You're wrong. The real issue is the dishonest woman who stole £176k from the accounts of BRSC. Not the fact she was able to do it. BRSC are fortunate they got it back. Imagine a scenario where they didn't/couldn't. Would you ignore the failings of the SC?
Thankfully the SC got the money back, procedures/protocols have been implemented and the culprit has been punished
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 17:06:40 GMT
Why should we always forget the person who is responsible for the crime? Why is it always someone else's fault in this country other than the person who has committed the crime? You're wrong. The real issue is the dishonest woman who stole £176k from the accounts of BRSC. Not the fact she was able to do it. BRSC are fortunate they got it back. Imagine a scenario where they didn't/couldn't. Would you ignore the failings of the SC?
Thankfully the SC got the money back, procedures/protocols have been implemented and the culprit has been punished
I don't have enough details to comment on a hypothetical situation, with respect. All I know is a dishonest woman has been convicted of a huge theft, with BRSC the victims. She is to blame, no one else. That's all I'll say on it. My opinion. I'm out of here before The thread descends into the old Luke McCormack debate |
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Post by LJG on Jul 13, 2017 17:27:17 GMT
Pitch forks!
I love a forum witch hunt.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 13, 2017 17:38:44 GMT
Pitch forks! I love a forum witch hunt. What's particularly good about this one is that we get to lynch both sides!! |
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Post by LJG on Jul 13, 2017 17:51:42 GMT
Pitch forks! I love a forum witch hunt. What's particularly good about this one is that we get to lynch both sides!! Burn them!* *Please note - BS3 this is not an invitation to repeat your actions of 1990. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 18:26:07 GMT
Forget her motives The real issue is Governance How the hell could this happen? Why should we always forget the person who is responsible for the crime? Why is it always someone else's fault in this country other than the person who has committed the crime? You're wrong. The real issue is the dishonest woman who stole £176k from the accounts of BRSC. Not the fact she was able to do it. The law deals with the offender, whatever the motives. The issue is, always has been, where are the controls in place when you are taking other peoples money for a share scheme or any fund raising initiative. |
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jul 13, 2017 21:04:43 GMT
SC, gambling adverts etc?! All this is absolutely ludicrous! There is one person to blame and that is her by the sounds of it. Own up and take responsibility for your actions. If advertising didn't work, why do it? At the very least it normalizes gambling and at the worse actively encourages reckless behaviour in vulnerable people. 99% of people do not have a problem and can happily gamble responsibly. Just my perception from having worked a bit in the industry as a young man. I think it is a far higher percentage of people who have a problem than you have quoted. There are many many stories of gambling losses that never get told, purely out of individual shame. It is a real problem and I hate the adverts. I think they should be banned, but it is a massive industry so that's not going to happen any time soon, even if the problem is starting to be acknowledged. |
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