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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 12, 2017 17:08:57 GMT
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Post by pirate on Jul 12, 2017 17:12:15 GMT
Scum.
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Post by gregsy on Jul 12, 2017 17:13:31 GMT
I did see that, complete theft from the club if true, and it basically means that turnstiles are now going to slow down to about 50% of their usual speed until the hooky season tickets are found....
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Post by toddy1953 on Jul 12, 2017 17:27:31 GMT
I worked the turnstiles at Twerton & the Mem for over 10 years. It has always been the club policy that the turnstile operator should tear the relevant ticket out of the ST book & if the holder turns up with just the relevant match day ST, then the individual should not be admitted but told to report to the match day office (where I assume a check on ownership is carried out). Can't imagine there would be many stolen ones, so it should be fairly easy to spot at the turnstile without causing too much extra hassle.
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Post by scoobydoogas on Jul 12, 2017 18:42:26 GMT
So what will happen now when a game is sold out, someone desperately wants a ticket and a season ticket holder has one going spare cos his season ticket mate can't go? Is that person still allowed to pass his ticket to someone else? If so, will the recipient of that ticket have to be in possession of the entire season ticket book? Or, will there be a ticket not used and a disappointed gashead?
Loads of us have sold/passed on spare season tickets or bought one for a mate who is down for the weekend. This forum even has a separate page for it. There's nothing dodgy about it and who's to say whether the person that gets the ticket may or may not become a season ticket holder themselves the following year after attending a few games?
My missus can't make every game and I always pass her ticket to my lad's mate or girlfriend. I have even been known to sell her ticket for a fiver or so before the game. Will I, and others like me, not be able to do this anymore?
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Post by bovrilsorters on Jul 12, 2017 21:25:53 GMT
I worked the turnstiles at Twerton & the Mem for over 10 years. It has always been the club policy that the turnstile operator should tear the relevant ticket out of the ST book & if the holder turns up with just the relevant match day ST, then the individual should not be admitted but told to report to the match day office (where I assume a check on ownership is carried out). Can't imagine there would be many stolen ones, so it should be fairly easy to spot at the turnstile without causing too much extra hassle. From the way I am reading it the defrauder would be sent a second book, so once they sell it there would be 2 books for each ticket in circulation, so at initial check stages would look legit. Bar after the first match asseratiaining which season ticket book numbers had been duplicated and creating a 'hit list' of book numbers to look out for at each turnstile and detaining said individuals it will be very difficult to combat based on our traditional style tickets and turnstiles. Given figures quoted of c20 tickets a season being duplicated it comes at a cost of nearly 5k to the club, well worth the cost of someone spending a number of hours sifting through ticket stumps to find the culprits. Obviously a drop in the ocean in terms of annual budget, but don't like to see the club ripped off. Worth investing time to bring it down out of principle as much as anything. |
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Post by toddy1953 on Jul 12, 2017 22:00:49 GMT
So what will happen now when a game is sold out, someone desperately wants a ticket and a season ticket holder has one going spare cos his season ticket mate can't go? Is that person still allowed to pass his ticket to someone else? If so, will the recipient of that ticket have to be in possession of the entire season ticket book? Or, will there be a ticket not used and a disappointed gashead? Loads of us have sold/passed on spare season tickets or bought one for a mate who is down for the weekend. This forum even has a separate page for it. There's nothing dodgy about it and who's to say whether the person that gets the ticket may or may not become a season ticket holder themselves the following year after attending a few games? My missus can't make every game and I always pass her ticket to my lad's mate or girlfriend. I have even been known to sell her ticket for a fiver or so before the game. Will I, and others like me, not be able to do this anymore? I have not had a ST for a number of years, but they were always 'non transferable' in the past. If they still are, then my understanding is that you shouldn't pass them on. I am not stating whether I think it's right or wrong, just my understanding based on what I was told & that also depends on whether the turnstile operator applies the rule |
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Post by toddy1953 on Jul 12, 2017 22:16:52 GMT
I worked the turnstiles at Twerton & the Mem for over 10 years. It has always been the club policy that the turnstile operator should tear the relevant ticket out of the ST book & if the holder turns up with just the relevant match day ST, then the individual should not be admitted but told to report to the match day office (where I assume a check on ownership is carried out). Can't imagine there would be many stolen ones, so it should be fairly easy to spot at the turnstile without causing too much extra hassle. From the way I am reading it the defrauder would be sent a second book, so once they sell it there would be 2 books for each ticket in circulation, so at initial check stages would look legit. Bar after the first match asseratiaining which season ticket book numbers had been duplicated and creating a 'hit list' of book numbers to look out for at each turnstile and detaining said individuals it will be very difficult to combat based on our traditional style tickets and turnstiles. Given figures quoted of c20 tickets a season being duplicated it comes at a cost of nearly 5k to the club, well worth the cost of someone spending a number of hours sifting through ticket stumps to find the culprits. Obviously a drop in the ocean in terms of annual budget, but don't like to see the club ripped off. Worth investing time to bring it down out of principle as much as anything. Agree, if this is true then it's theft & irrespective of the amount I hope they catch the culprits. i actually think it would be fairly easy to spot the frauds, as the club will know the ticket numbers involved and as only selected turnstiles will take ST then if those turnstiles were 'double manned' with an experienced steward, then they should be detected. |
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Post by gasify on Jul 13, 2017 4:31:41 GMT
So what will happen now when a game is sold out, someone desperately wants a ticket and a season ticket holder has one going spare cos his season ticket mate can't go? Is that person still allowed to pass his ticket to someone else? If so, will the recipient of that ticket have to be in possession of the entire season ticket book? Or, will there be a ticket not used and a disappointed gashead? Loads of us have sold/passed on spare season tickets or bought one for a mate who is down for the weekend. This forum even has a separate page for it. There's nothing dodgy about it and who's to say whether the person that gets the ticket may or may not become a season ticket holder themselves the following year after attending a few games? My missus can't make every game and I always pass her ticket to my lad's mate or girlfriend. I have even been known to sell her ticket for a fiver or so before the game. Will I, and others like me, not be able to do this anymore? I have not had a ST for a number of years, but they were always 'non transferable' in the past. If they still are, then my understanding is that you shouldn't pass them on. I am not stating whether I think it's right or wrong, just my understanding based on what I was told & that also depends on whether the turnstile operator applies the rule If they are non transferable then everyone who gives away or sells their ticket is committing fraud against the club. I am just as guilty as the next person as I give mine (and the kids) to a local family. I self justify that they will buy food and drinks which generates funds for the club and maybe, just maybe I have introduced another two little ones to the gas family. Knowing that it is non transferable isn't going to stop me doing that. I believe I am doing the best thing for the club as they wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise. However, there is an argument that says anyone selling their ticket for that game is actually taking money away from the club as the club would get £20 if the ticket wasn't sold in the car park...... |
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Post by LJG on Jul 13, 2017 6:44:49 GMT
The way I understand it ... WHY WOULD YOU POST A LINK TO SEND US TO THAT AWFUL PLACE???!!!
Come on mods that's got to be a warning, or a fine, or a ban, or a ... barnine?
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Post by oldgas on Jul 13, 2017 7:04:05 GMT
I can't quite understand how this was done. Did one person buy multiple ST's then claim they hadn't been delivered, or did one person arrange for a number of others to order a ST each and then claim they hadn't received them?
If it's the 2nd scenario, how could the club possibly know this? Doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by philbemmygas on Jul 13, 2017 7:06:08 GMT
The way I understand it ... WHY WOULD YOU POST A LINK TO SEND US TO THAT AWFUL PLACE???!!! Come on mods that's got to be a warning, or a fine, or a ban, or a ... barnine? Are you advocating the use of a barmine? That amount of high explosive would do thousands of pounds worth of improvements to the area Henbury's shop is based  |
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Post by oldgas on Jul 13, 2017 8:09:49 GMT
The only way to stop this happening is fo the club to stipulate that new ST books be collected in person, with proof of identity, from the club shop.
A pain in the arse for some, but it's what I do, with the added bonus that the person may make an additional purchase whilst in the shop.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 13, 2017 8:23:38 GMT
The only way to stop this happening is fo the club to stipulate that new ST books be collected in person, with proof of identity, from the club shop. A pain in the arse for some, but it's what I do, with the added bonus that the person may make an additional purchase whilst in the shop. But then the club would have to employ extra staff to meet the demand of checking ID etc, plus we've no real proof 22 s/t's were stolen as I assume it's only a rumour at present. |
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Post by Marshy on Jul 13, 2017 8:26:47 GMT
The only way to stop this happening is fo the club to stipulate that new ST books be collected in person, with proof of identity, from the club shop. A pain in the arse for some, but it's what I do, with the added bonus that the person may make an additional purchase whilst in the shop. But then the club would have to employ extra staff to meet the demand of checking ID etc, plus we've no real proof 22 s/t's were stolen as I assume it's only a rumour at present. A rumour on here? Shock / Horror! |
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Post by Parrot on Jul 13, 2017 9:02:18 GMT
I was just about to post a link about this from the OS, as they had made a Statement, but its now dissapeared from the OS ??
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 13, 2017 9:09:29 GMT
www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2017/july/ticketscam/We have been very disappointed to learn that some unscrupulous so called Bristol Rovers supporters fans are telling the club that their season tickets have not arrived and then selling them off once a replacement pack has been sent out. We would like to remind all of our loyal supporters that they must bring their season ticket to every League game. The turnstile operator will then take out the voucher from the season ticket book, rather than allow supporters to present them with the voucher only. Anyone turning up with just the voucher will be refused entry. If the season ticket book does not have an inlet then they will be directed to the ticket office. The Club needs to tighten up processes to prevent some so called fans from operating this scam and depriving the club of revenue. We regret having to take this course of action but feel certain that every true Bristol Rovers Supporter will understand the reason behind it and we would like to thank you all in advance for your co-operation.
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Post by RetroGamer on Jul 13, 2017 9:22:46 GMT
I can't see them doing that. It takes them turnstile operators long enough as it is to clear through all the people that turn up at the last minute.
The only proper way of getting around that is to have a digital card style season ticket which flashes up a picture of the season ticket owners face to the operator when the barcode or chip is scanned. I'm sure it wouldn't be popular though. Occasionally when I can't attend I give mine to my mother who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford to go and that not only makes a paid for ticket go to waste but it stops people in a financially difficult situation from seeing the team we all love. I wouldn't be too keen on having my details and accompanying picture on file like that either.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jul 13, 2017 9:30:59 GMT
Hope they find the guy, take him behind the West Stand and beat the sh*t into him before bringing his lifeless body on the pitch to throw tomatoes at for half time entertainment.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 13, 2017 9:32:02 GMT
I can't see them doing that. It takes them turnstile operators long enough as it is to clear through all the people that turn up at the last minute. The only proper way of getting around that is to have a digital card style season ticket which flashes up a picture of the season ticket owners face to the operator when the barcode or chip is scanned. I'm sure it wouldn't be popular though. Occasionally when I can't attend I give mine to my mother who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford to go and that not only makes a paid for ticket go to waste but it stops people in a financially difficult situation from seeing the team we all love. I wouldn't be too keen on having my details and accompanying picture on file like that either. I always present the voucher to the turnstile operator, but I tear it out of the book as I go through |
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