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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:51:18 GMT
What an absolutely appalling Press Conference - no assurances, no plan B, no strategic thinking and no explanation. It's not defused the crisis but will simply stoke the fires. I don'y think Hamer knows what the family will do next. Clueless.
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Post by singupgas on Aug 3, 2017 15:54:22 GMT
A redeveloped Mem is no better than what we have now in its potential to send us upwards. Everybody who keeps saying its a great idea, need to look beyond there being a few pubs near by. Please lets not seriously consider the Mem. I'd happily sell my house and put all of the money on us re-developing the Mem if a bookie would offer me a price. But that's it for this football club if so. The best we'll ever achieve is League One football (at that). We might get one crazy promotion to the Championship, but it'll never be even close to sustainable. The dream died today IMO. True, we will limit our progression staying at the Mem. Frustrating, and getting increasing watered off reading about this today. We have the finance but dont want to pay for it.
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Post by Langford Gas on Aug 3, 2017 15:55:03 GMT
What an absolutely appalling Press Conference - no assurances, no plan B, no strategic thinking and no explanation. It's not defused the crisis but will simply stoke the fires. I don'y think Hamer knows what the family will do next. Clueless. I agree, it was total waffle nearly every answer was prefixed with "I Think" and absolutely nothing to suggest the way ahead or even if they are still committed to the club. I don't think the training ground will happen anytime soon either !
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Post by RD on Aug 3, 2017 15:55:24 GMT
What an absolutely appalling Press Conference - no assurances, no plan B, no strategic thinking and no explanation. It's not defused the crisis but will simply stoke the fires. I don'y think Hamer knows what the family will do next. Clueless. It was clearly a case of just being forced to say something. I totally agree with you on all parts bar one thing - I think they very much have a plan B; re-develop the Mem. And I think that's what's already been agreed upon. They're just too scared to tell us as they know how f**ked off we'll all be. Hence I think the plan will be to go quiet for a few months in order to pretend they're researching alternative sites. They'll then come out and say that there's nothing fit for purpose available and basically say that we have no "choice" but to re-develop the Mem. That's how they'll play it - just you watch. I'll bump this thread in a few months time. No doubt it'll be following a decent league result.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:56:21 GMT
"Hamer won't give figures but suggests hundreds of thousands of pounds have been spent on this failed deal #BristolRovers #UTG" By the present owners? No doubt the two amigos Connah and Atkinson took a fair wack for their two months of input and the feasibility study probably cost a big lump. As for the rest, that's anybodys guess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:57:04 GMT
I think SH was sent out as the sacrificial lamb. To be fair, he's not the decision maker. We should have heard from Wael and/or the AQ family.
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Post by mjhgas on Aug 3, 2017 15:57:52 GMT
A redeveloped Mem is no better than what we have now in its potential to send us upwards. Everybody who keeps saying its a great idea, need to look beyond there being a few pubs near by. Please lets not seriously consider the Mem. I'd happily sell my house and put all of the money on us re-developing the Mem if a bookie would offer me a price. But that's it for this football club if so. The best we'll ever achieve is League One football (at that). We might get one crazy promotion to the Championship, but it'll never be even close to sustainable. The dream died today IMO. The dream died a long time ago! The Premier League & Championship are almost a closed shop! Look at the League table in 1990 and you'll see that we missed the boat a long time ago.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 3, 2017 15:57:53 GMT
I think SH was sent out as the sacrificial lamb. To be fair, he's not the decision maker. We should have heard from Wael and/or the AQ family. Agreed. Not a fan of SH but this one should have been dealt with by the organ grinder.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:58:13 GMT
On the Evil posts FB page when John Evely was live he refered to SH as evasive no surprise there do you expect anything else from the gas true to form as per usual
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Post by gaelgas on Aug 3, 2017 15:58:17 GMT
He's definitely, definitely setting it up for a redevelopment of the Mem. "Hamer: Alternative sites for the stadium in the area are very few and far between" That's what we'll do; cheap option as always. That's it then for this football club to be honest. League One football at best. Most likely L2/non-league. Get a ST this year if you haven't already as it's likely to be the highest standard of football you'll see from us for the next century or so. The club's ceiling has literally dropped by about 200,000ft overnight. A redeveloped Mem is no better than what we have now in its potential to send us upwards. Everybody who keeps saying its a great idea, need to look beyond there being a few pubs near by. Please lets not seriously consider the Mem. Notwithstanding that the previous redevelopment was 18,500 do we know if that was constrained by an overall cap put on the capacity of the stadium by BCC or by the amount of room available? If it's the latter and we no longer need to build the student flats would that mean an increase in possible capacity to say 21,000?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:58:18 GMT
What an absolutely appalling Press Conference - no assurances, no plan B, no strategic thinking and no explanation. It's not defused the crisis but will simply stoke the fires. I don'y think Hamer knows what the family will do next. Clueless. It was clearly a case of just being forced to say something. I totally agree with you on all parts bar one thing - I think they very much have a plan B; re-develop the Mem. And I think that's what's already been agreed upon. They're just too scared to tell us as they know how f**ked off we'll all be. Hence I think the plan will be to go quiet for a few months in order to pretend they're researching alternative sites. They'll then come out and say that there's nothing fit for purpose available and basically say that we have no "choice" but to re-develop the Mem.That's how they'll play it - just you watch. I'll bump this thread in a few months time. No doubt it'll be following a decent league result. Evolution not revolution remember. The only difference is evolution actually happens (well apart from BS3 and surrounding areas)
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Post by pucklegas on Aug 3, 2017 16:00:48 GMT
I think SH was sent out as the sacrificial lamb. To be fair, he's not the decision maker. We should have heard from Wael and/or the AQ family. If the elder brother Hani is the money man would rather he spoke than Wael, we are a patient bunch Mangotsfield, Hallen, Fruit market, UWE have all fallen by the wayside.
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Post by Langford Gas on Aug 3, 2017 16:00:56 GMT
What an absolutely appalling Press Conference - no assurances, no plan B, no strategic thinking and no explanation. It's not defused the crisis but will simply stoke the fires. I don'y think Hamer knows what the family will do next. Clueless. It was clearly a case of just being forced to say something. I totally agree with you on all parts bar one thing - I think they very much have a plan B; re-develop the Mem. And I think that's what's already been agreed upon. They're just too scared to tell us as they know how f**ked off we'll all be. Hence I think the plan will be to go quiet for a few months in order to pretend they're researching alternative sites. They'll then come out and say that there's nothing fit for purpose available and basically say that we have no "choice" but to re-develop the Mem. That's how they'll play it - just you watch. I'll bump this thread in a few months time. No doubt it'll be following a decent league result. I don't think you are far wrong, I would say there is no budget and we will struggle on hand to mouth and change a few hand dryers
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Post by syg on Aug 3, 2017 16:01:21 GMT
Well. Just watched the full BBC coverage. Hammer states that uwe did not meet the head of terms issued. Yet this morning the uwe guy said they had never received the heads of terms.
Who's lying?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 3, 2017 16:03:57 GMT
Well. Just watched the full BBC coverage. Hammer states that uwe did not meet the head of terms issued. Yet this morning the uwe guy said they had never received the heads of terms. Who's lying? If one of them has lied before then it's probably them.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Aug 3, 2017 16:08:13 GMT
"Hamer won't give figures but suggests hundreds of thousands of pounds have been spent on this failed deal #BristolRovers #UTG" By the present owners? No doubt the two amigos Connah and Atkinson took a fair wack for their two months of input and the feasibility study probably cost a big lump. As for the rest, that's anybodys guess. As the football club was not going to own the UWE you would hope Dwane Sports will pick up the bill. But I expect it'll be paid out of the £10m secured against the Mem
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Post by Mr Pond on Aug 3, 2017 16:10:22 GMT
A redeveloped Mem is no better than what we have now in its potential to send us upwards. Everybody who keeps saying its a great idea, need to look beyond there being a few pubs near by. Please lets not seriously consider the Mem. Notwithstanding that the previous redevelopment was 18,500 do we know if that was constrained by an overall cap put on the capacity of the stadium by BCC or by the amount of room available? If it's the latter and we no longer need to build the student flats would that mean an increase in possible capacity to say 21,000? Could the pitch be lowered like the UWE? This would also increase the capacity. If the Sh*T can build a stand that holds 14k why can't we?
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Aug 3, 2017 16:11:05 GMT
Disgraceful statement but probably the nearest thing to the truth he said. His puppet masters don't have the money for UWE but could put together a good team in a sh** ground like Bournemouth have. Actually on reflection I think he just said we don't have the money for the stadium but if we can hang on DC we can continue to bat above our weight and have crazy fun doing that instead. f**k off Hamer just f**k off you condescending puppet. Come on Wael "let's be having you!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 3, 2017 16:13:57 GMT
Well. Just watched the full BBC coverage. Hammer states that uwe did not meet the head of terms issued. Yet this morning the uwe guy said they had never received the heads of terms. Who's lying? If one of them has lied before then it's probably them. It's not like SH has ever mislead us in the past! If there was just a squabble over the HoT surely it could be overcome?
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Post by bluebeard on Aug 3, 2017 16:15:06 GMT
I don't know what to think now. I guess I'm partly reassured that the owners aren't Dam off and leaving behind bigger debts than ever before but, if the UWE project isn't viable, then it's hard to think of an alternative that will be.
Looking back, the evolution not revolution thing was a leveller but we were always promised a new stadium. I suspect that the project could have been delivered but the conclusion reached was that the amount of time and money required to pay back external investors meant there would be no real financial benefit to the football club itself for many years to come.
A nice stadium doesn't guarantee championship football. The owners would have had to back DC as well as cover stadium costs. As others have said, gate income becomes less relevant the higher up you go so why not simply improve existing facilities and focus investment on the playing squad? Disappointing yes, disastrous no. Assuming the rest of the rumours have no foundation, we are still in a better position than before.
Now that the UWE burden is no longer on their shoulders, it will be interesting to see if further investment materialises.
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