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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 3, 2017 17:52:55 GMT
Apologies for not posting this on another thread but I want the owners to see the title. In the last 24 hours the AQs as a family and Wael because he's part of that are showing what they really are. We've had our suspicions all was not well for months because of the lack of communication . But today we can lay our suspicions to rest. Because of the way they have conducted themselves today it's clear they have either lost interest in backing the club or don't have the wherewithal to do so. It won't wash that you as owners have had nothing to say today. You eventually put your puppet on display and he has no answers and uttered not one word of substance. All we got was his personal rhetoric and a disgraceful line about us becoming the new crazy gang. In other words a rag bag club in a rag bag stadium playing above our station! Where are you Wael? Show some leadership to the people who have idolised you. What little respect you are showing us today. Is it because you know we won't like the truth? Is it because we won't idolise you any more? Well that ship has sailed mucker so you or your brother better stop treating us with such little respect and start telling us what is really happening at our beloved football club! Right now you appear to be nothing more than Fake Sheiks who have bluffed, lied and blustered your way to a place well out of your depths and a place that could be fatal to our club. START TALKING. time to take the pills mate they help me
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 17:53:09 GMT
f**k this I'm off to the Gentlemans lounge to blow off some steam, anyone care to join me? it's the only place on this forum not scattered with bullsh1t
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Post by jaggas on Aug 3, 2017 17:55:38 GMT
There is a saying doing the rounds in politics at the moment "no deal is better than a bad deal" and I think this applies perfectly regarding the stadium at UWE.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 3, 2017 17:56:56 GMT
I disagree. Wael is on holiday, back for the Charlton match. Considering developments I don't think a conference call style press conf would be appropriate. They shouldn't have released the statement at 11pm which produced this.I'm sure there will be further devs before close Sunday. Their hands were forced though, why didn't they plan this better, set a deadline for Friday then release a statement & have Wael ready for press interviews when he's back in the UK? But will he still return for Saturday now, as he's a brave man if he does. The fact there's no plan is a concern as how though they know the UWE is not viable if they've not considered the costs of alternatives, could a scale back UWE have been more viable than re-developing the Mem or building a ground elsewhere? Why have they spent £100K's at The Colony and on the Academy, even the Mem pitch, when talks with the UWE were so strained, have they got a clue what the are doing?? Do you have a clue what you are talking about ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 3, 2017 18:06:44 GMT
Their hands were forced though, why didn't they plan this better, set a deadline for Friday then release a statement & have Wael ready for press interviews when he's back in the UK? But will he still return for Saturday now, as he's a brave man if he does. The fact there's no plan is a concern as how though they know the UWE is not viable if they've not considered the costs of alternatives, could a scale back UWE have been more viable than re-developing the Mem or building a ground elsewhere? Why have they spent £100K's at The Colony and on the Academy, even the Mem pitch, when talks with the UWE were so strained, have they got a clue what the are doing?? Do you have a clue what you are talking about ? No, but fortunately I'm not running a football club, although if I was I don't think it would take me 18 months to work out I couldn't afford £50/60m to build a new stadium, then have no Plan B in place when I did realise. No wonder the ALQ's don't even trust Wael to run any of their banking divisions.
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Post by LJG on Aug 3, 2017 18:08:44 GMT
I don't understand what would satisfy you on this point? You want a blow by blow account of every exchange. He addresses this multiple times. The terms couldn't be agreed, they went back and forth so many times it was like a clock pendulum, They gave UWE heads of terms and a deadline to agree them by and UWE didn't meet them. All Hamer's words. What further detail would you like to have had? The Crazy Gang thing ... hey people sweat in front of a live microphone to a couple of thousand listeners and blurt out stupid sh1te. It doesn't unsay everything they've said up until that point. 18 months seems a long time to decide this wasn't worth pursuing, especially as they seem burdened with the deal when they (Wael and family) arrived. If Hamer sweats and says stupid irrelevant things when put under pressure by the press then maybe he should find another job. It was almost like he was trying to divert from the fact he didnt have a clue, not that it normally bothers him. You'd rather the new owners came in on day one and said "Right lads, we're not bothering with UWE it's obviously a sh1te deal, not even going to explore it"? Have you ever bought or sold commercial property? Or purchased bare land for development? Have you ever dealt with a public body like a university in a commercial deal? 18 months is nowt. Hamer says himself - the UWE are a public body it's not like dealing with a private owner who can just say "yup" or "nuh uh" they have to talk to the guy who asks the trustees who consult the board who refer to the department for education. I think your problem with Hamer's lack of answers is actually a problem with your inability to listen. And why does he need to get a new job? He's a football club chairman not a radio presenter.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 3, 2017 18:11:54 GMT
Do you have a clue what you are talking about ? No, but fortunately I'm not running a football club, although if I was I don't think it would take me 18 months to work out I couldn't afford £50/60m to build a new stadium, then have no Plan B in place when I did realise. No wonder the ALQ's don't even trust Wael to run any of their banking divisions. You don't know the structure of how a Arab family works do you ?
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Post by beaver132 on Aug 3, 2017 18:13:14 GMT
Do you have a clue what you are talking about ? No, but fortunately I'm not running a football club, although if I was I don't think it would take me 18 months to work out I couldn't afford £50/60m to build a new stadium, then have no Plan B in place when I did realise. No wonder the ALQ's don't even trust Wael to run any of their banking divisions. Jee)!! Now not only is Wael a lying no money low life, incapable of being left on his own without grown ups around, it seems the entire family have walked away from everything to do with the club, and now it seems they don't let thier educationally challenged youngest son anywhere near the family business because he's a certifiable idiot, only recently toilet trained. And we get all this from our own internet bubble do we? I despair!
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Post by LJG on Aug 3, 2017 18:14:18 GMT
Do you have a clue what you are talking about ? No, but fortunately I'm not running a football club, although if I was I don't think it would take me 18 months to work out I couldn't afford £50/60m to build a new stadium, then have no Plan B in place when I did realise. No wonder the ALQ's don't even trust Wael to run any of their banking divisions. Where has anyone said they can't afford anything? Where is your proof for asserting as fact that the deal has fallen through because it isn't affordable? Can you give me an estimate of costs for having a plan B please? Y'know - chartered surveyors, architects, feasibility studies, lawyers to draw up heads of terms, lawyers to consider planning restrictions, that sort of thing to name but a few. Could you also give us an idea of how long it takes to put together a commercial property development on the scale of a football stadium. Y'know to prove your point about how easy it would be to have a plan B.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 3, 2017 18:15:27 GMT
The face of the family is on f**king holiday. Perhaps he wasnt avaialbe What? Do people cease to exist when they are on holiday? When something big "metaphorically" blows up do for example relevant government ministers stay invisible? On the face of things this is a very bad day for our FC and you think it's ok for the owners to stay silent because they might be on holiday? Was Hani on holiday last night when he sent his e mail from Jordan pulling the plug? Is he on holiday today? Is Wael completely oblivious to what's going on because he's on holiday? Would Wael have been happy to be on the end of a telephone to Radio Bristol today from his holiday if he had news he knew we'd want to hear? No but maybe give him a chance. I dont expect he was expecting it to be leaked last night and he is with hia family i aasume
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 18:16:47 GMT
18 months seems a long time to decide this wasn't worth pursuing, especially as they seem burdened with the deal when they (Wael and family) arrived. If Hamer sweats and says stupid irrelevant things when put under pressure by the press then maybe he should find another job. It was almost like he was trying to divert from the fact he didnt have a clue, not that it normally bothers him. You'd rather the new owners came in on day one and said "Right lads, we're not bothering with UWE it's obviously a sh1te deal, not even going to explore it"? Have you ever bought or sold commercial property? Or purchased bare land for development? Have you ever dealt with a public body like a university in a commercial deal? 18 months is nowt. Hamer says himself - the UWE are a public body it's not like dealing with a private owner who can just say "yup" or "nuh uh" they have to talk to the guy who asks the trustees who consult the board who refer to the department for education. I think your problem with Hamer's lack of answers is actually a problem with your inability to listen. And why does he need to get a new job? He's a football club chairman not a radio presenter. Yet UWE are saying DS have been slow with negotiations, something not quashed by Hamer. The teds are laughing over themselves because views and blind faith like yours are exactly why we are light years behind them and falling further behind the rest of the FL, and im inclined to agree with them. Gasheads = ask no questions, challenge nothing and expect everything.
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Post by Okebournegas on Aug 3, 2017 18:22:52 GMT
This place is hilarious 😂 , most of you should be so embarrassed with the utter tripe your spouting. Bunch of babies, and you wonder why the city lot call us " the gift that keeps on giving" ? Absolutely Dam priceless knee jerk reactions . I find it highly amusing so please carry on spitting your dummies out 😂😂😂😂
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Post by LJG on Aug 3, 2017 18:23:15 GMT
You'd rather the new owners came in on day one and said "Right lads, we're not bothering with UWE it's obviously a sh1te deal, not even going to explore it"? Have you ever bought or sold commercial property? Or purchased bare land for development? Have you ever dealt with a public body like a university in a commercial deal? 18 months is nowt. Hamer says himself - the UWE are a public body it's not like dealing with a private owner who can just say "yup" or "nuh uh" they have to talk to the guy who asks the trustees who consult the board who refer to the department for education. I think your problem with Hamer's lack of answers is actually a problem with your inability to listen. And why does he need to get a new job? He's a football club chairman not a radio presenter. Yet UWE are saying DS have been slow with negotiations, something not quashed by Hamer.The teds are laughing over themselves because views and blind faith like yours are exactly why we are light years behind them and falling further behind the rest of the FL, and im inclined to agree with them. Gasheads = ask no questions, challenge nothing and expect everything. Are you kidding - ok I'm not playing any more, it's too obvious you haven't actually listened to the interview. He literally said UWE are the ones who have taken too much time over this. And who is showing blind faith? If anything you're showing blind faith in the Vice Chairman of UWE. I'm only concerned with what I know, Not with making up fairy tales and then getting annoyed because one of the characters is being sh1t in a way I just invented in my head. I'm picturing a giant hitting a donkey I'm the arse with a tennis racket - I HATE ANIMAL CRUELTY!!!!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 3, 2017 18:28:39 GMT
No, but fortunately I'm not running a football club, although if I was I don't think it would take me 18 months to work out I couldn't afford £50/60m to build a new stadium, then have no Plan B in place when I did realise. No wonder the ALQ's don't even trust Wael to run any of their banking divisions. Where has anyone said they can't afford anything? Where is your proof for asserting as fact that the deal has fallen through because it isn't affordable? Can you give me an estimate of costs for having a plan B please? Y'know - chartered surveyors, architects, feasibility studies, lawyers to draw up heads of terms, lawyers to consider planning restrictions, that sort of thing to name but a few. Could you also give us an idea of how long it takes to put together a commercial property development on the scale of a football stadium. Y'know to prove your point about how easy it would be to have a plan B. Why not just dig out NH's old plans and get him to give us a quick quote he must have a rough idea, but you're proving my point as if we haven't got a clue how much re-developing the Mem will cost how can we just walk away from the UWE deal. Does SH realise plans in the past have bitten the dust because of the restrictive licensing laws, will BCC even contemplate giving us pp at the Mem w/o paying a fortune to resolve the traffic/pollution/parking problems etc.
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Post by dickiedamsell on Aug 3, 2017 18:32:09 GMT
Whats the problem with you all, the UWE is ours, just a few greedy basdards after money. Up the owner and F##k the rest. Get off slating the BOYS and start believing you scumbags.
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Post by clearblue on Aug 3, 2017 18:34:17 GMT
Sometimes I really do feel fackin embarrassed when I read some of the sh** posted on 'ere !!
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Post by LJG on Aug 3, 2017 18:39:58 GMT
Where has anyone said they can't afford anything? Where is your proof for asserting as fact that the deal has fallen through because it isn't affordable? Can you give me an estimate of costs for having a plan B please? Y'know - chartered surveyors, architects, feasibility studies, lawyers to draw up heads of terms, lawyers to consider planning restrictions, that sort of thing to name but a few. Could you also give us an idea of how long it takes to put together a commercial property development on the scale of a football stadium. Y'know to prove your point about how easy it would be to have a plan B. Why not just dig out NH's old plans and get him to give us a quick quote he must have a rough idea, but you're proving my point as if we haven't got a clue how much re-developing the Mem will cost how can we just walk away from the UWE deal. Does SH realise plans in the past have bitten the dust because of the restrictive licensing laws, will BCC even contemplate giving us pp at the Mem w/o paying a fortune to resolve the traffic/pollution/parking problems etc. I take it your answers to my questions are you don't know and you don't know. So what basis do you have for saying they shouldn't have taken 18 months to walk away from the deal without a plan B? Question 2: (Given the bit in your post above I've highlighted in bold). You're saying that even if the deal from UWE right now was 1. we don't own the land and 2. we pay them 150% of our annual turnover in rent every year you think we should still have gone ahead because there isn't a plan B?
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Post by oviedista on Aug 3, 2017 18:45:30 GMT
You'd rather the new owners came in on day one and said "Right lads, we're not bothering with UWE it's obviously a sh1te deal, not even going to explore it"? Have you ever bought or sold commercial property? Or purchased bare land for development? Have you ever dealt with a public body like a university in a commercial deal? 18 months is nowt. Hamer says himself - the UWE are a public body it's not like dealing with a private owner who can just say "yup" or "nuh uh" they have to talk to the guy who asks the trustees who consult the board who refer to the department for education. I think your problem with Hamer's lack of answers is actually a problem with your inability to listen. And why does he need to get a new job? He's a football club chairman not a radio presenter. Yet UWE are saying DS have been slow with negotiations, something not quashed by Hamer. The teds are laughing over themselves because views and blind faith like yours are exactly why we are light years behind them and falling further behind the rest of the FL, and im inclined to agree with them. Gasheads = ask no questions, challenge nothing and expect everything. Hang on... so City are in the position they're in because of the negative attitude of their fans?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 18:51:26 GMT
Yet UWE are saying DS have been slow with negotiations, something not quashed by Hamer. The teds are laughing over themselves because views and blind faith like yours are exactly why we are light years behind them and falling further behind the rest of the FL, and im inclined to agree with them. Gasheads = ask no questions, challenge nothing and expect everything. Hang on... so City are in the position they're in because of the negative attitude of their fans? I didn't say that, I said we are already behind them (and have been for 17 years) and falling behind everyone else as we seem intent on settling for long drawn out projects with months and months of silence before the inevitable defeat at the end. Had the news on the stadium been positive would Wael have sent Hamer out to bask in the glory? or course not.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 3, 2017 18:53:49 GMT
Why not just dig out NH's old plans and get him to give us a quick quote he must have a rough idea, but you're proving my point as if we haven't got a clue how much re-developing the Mem will cost how can we just walk away from the UWE deal. Does SH realise plans in the past have bitten the dust because of the restrictive licensing laws, will BCC even contemplate giving us pp at the Mem w/o paying a fortune to resolve the traffic/pollution/parking problems etc. I take it your answers to my questions are you don't know and you don't know. So what basis do you have for saying they shouldn't have take 18 months to walk away from the deal without a plan B? Question 2: (Given the bit in your post above I've highlighted in bold). You're saying that even if the deal from UWE right now was 1. we don't own the land and 2. we pay them 150% of our annual turnover in rent every year you think we should still have gone ahead because there isn't a plan B? Nope, I said we should have investigating alternatives, it could be once we've done that the hypothetical answers you have given are preferable or not, if not, then re-developing the Mem makes most sense at the moment we seem to have made a decision w/o doing any homework, for SH not to know pp expired on the Mem yonks ago is madness.
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