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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 3, 2017 18:57:35 GMT
Hang on... so City are in the position they're in because of the negative attitude of their fans? I didn't say that, I said we are already behind them (and have been for 17 years) and falling behind everyone else as we seem intent on settling for long drawn out projects with months and months of silence before the inevitable defeat at the end. Had the news on the stadium been positive would Wael have sent Hamer out to bask in the glory? or course not. Redeveloping the Mem will see us behind them forever and end our chances of ever being anything better than we are.
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Post by oviedista on Aug 3, 2017 19:04:45 GMT
Hang on... so City are in the position they're in because of the negative attitude of their fans? I didn't say that, I said we are already behind them (and have been for 17 years) and falling behind everyone else as we seem intent on settling for long drawn out projects with months and months of silence before the inevitable defeat at the end. Had the news on the stadium been positive would Wael have sent Hamer out to bask in the glory? or course not. "blind faith like yours are exactly why we are light years behind them" That makes the blind of faith if fans the cause - so the attitude of fans at City must account for their success right?
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 3, 2017 19:06:31 GMT
I didn't say that, I said we are already behind them (and have been for 17 years) and falling behind everyone else as we seem intent on settling for long drawn out projects with months and months of silence before the inevitable defeat at the end. Had the news on the stadium been positive would Wael have sent Hamer out to bask in the glory? or course not. Redeveloping the Mem will see us behind them forever and end our chances of ever being anything better than we are. I dont subscribe to that. Bournemouth prove that isn't the case, Brentford have gone up and done well, Burton have shot up the leagues, even clubs like QPR have proved you can do alright with a limited capacity, Millwalls ground isn't much bigger either. Its not the end of the World to redevelop The Mem. Obviously not being able to expand to over 18,000 isn't ideal, but its far better than what we've had for the last 32 years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:07:50 GMT
Apologies for not posting this on another thread but I want the owners to see the title. In the last 24 hours the AQs as a family and Wael because he's part of that are showing what they really are. We've had our suspicions all was not well for months because of the lack of communication . But today we can lay our suspicions to rest. Because of the way they have conducted themselves today it's clear they have either lost interest in backing the club or don't have the wherewithal to do so. It won't wash that you as owners have had nothing to say today. You eventually put your puppet on display and he has no answers and uttered not one word of substance. All we got was his personal rhetoric and a disgraceful line about us becoming the new crazy gang. In other words a rag bag club in a rag bag stadium playing above our station! Where are you Wael? Show some leadership to the people who have idolised you. What little respect you are showing us today. Is it because you know we won't like the truth? Is it because we won't idolise you any more? Well that ship has sailed mucker so you or your brother better stop treating us with such little respect and start telling us what is really happening at our beloved football club! Right now you appear to be nothing more than Fake Sheiks who have bluffed, lied and blustered your way to a place well out of your depths and a place that could be fatal to our club. START TALKING. Sorry but this is reactionary nonsense. Just because a commercial property development deal has not come to pass does not mean someone is misrepresenting their worth or dedication to the football club. And what on earth is Steve Hamer's salary for if he isn't expected to be the one handling situations like have come up today. I truly hope Wael never sees this babyish talk or at least not until such time as it is actually warranted. I don't always agree with your posts LJG but you're spot on with this one. The OP is quite disrespectful and may yet have to eat his words.
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Post by LJG on Aug 3, 2017 19:08:53 GMT
I take it your answers to my questions are you don't know and you don't know. So what basis do you have for saying they shouldn't have take 18 months to walk away from the deal without a plan B? Question 2: (Given the bit in your post above I've highlighted in bold). You're saying that even if the deal from UWE right now was 1. we don't own the land and 2. we pay them 150% of our annual turnover in rent every year you think we should still have gone ahead because there isn't a plan B? Nope, I said we should have investigating alternatives, it could be once we've done that the hypothetical answers you have given are preferable or not, if not, then re-developing the Mem makes most sense at the moment we seem to have made a decision w/o doing any homework, for SH not to know pp expired on the Mem yonks ago is madness. You're talking in circles. We shouldn't have walked away from the UWE but you don't know what the UWE deal was but we should have looked elsewhere but you don't know how much that would cost or how long it would take. Do you run a business? If so is it profitable?
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Post by socrates on Aug 3, 2017 19:09:51 GMT
Bit OTT to be honest. We dont know enough facts to make these judgements. IMO the corner NH painted us into with UWE was a bad deal for the current owners and maybe in the long run they are right to walk away. That said, talk of tarting up the Mem as a plan B is an utter joke and SH is a busted flush in a lot of fans eyes now. Would have been much better if WAQ had fronted this one. Yeah I'm glad our owners want a deal that doesn't suit the club but gutted that we haven't heard anything from Wael.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 3, 2017 19:14:17 GMT
Bit OTT to be honest. We dont know enough facts to make these judgements. IMO the corner NH painted us into with UWE was a bad deal for the current owners and maybe in the long run they are right to walk away. That said, talk of tarting up the Mem as a plan B is an utter joke and SH is a busted flush in a lot of fans eyes now. Would have been much better if WAQ had fronted this one. Yeah I'm glad our owners want a deal that doesn't suit the club but gutted that we haven't heard anything from Wael. He's just agreed to have a cup of tea with Keith Chimp.
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Post by singupgas on Aug 3, 2017 19:14:32 GMT
Bit OTT to be honest. We dont know enough facts to make these judgements. IMO the corner NH painted us into with UWE was a bad deal for the current owners and maybe in the long run they are right to walk away. That said, talk of tarting up the Mem as a plan B is an utter joke and SH is a busted flush in a lot of fans eyes now. Would have been much better if WAQ had fronted this one. Yeah I'm glad our owners want a deal that doesn't suit the club but gutted that we haven't heard anything from Wael. back tomorrow. Will need to give an honest rallying interview. least the fans deserved is a video interview explaining what is going on. is the uwe dead, what are the owners intentions, is looking at a plan b the immediate plan - would hope they begin work on plan b straight away if the UWE is really dead and buried.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:14:44 GMT
I didn't say that, I said we are already behind them (and have been for 17 years) and falling behind everyone else as we seem intent on settling for long drawn out projects with months and months of silence before the inevitable defeat at the end. Had the news on the stadium been positive would Wael have sent Hamer out to bask in the glory? or course not. "blind faith like yours are exactly why we are light years behind them" That makes the blind of faith if fans the cause - so the attitude of fans at City must account for their success right? No its just why we are falling behind everyone in general, even DC admits we are behind in terms of infrastructure and stadium. It wasn't always that way; other clubs have progressed, City by way of having a billionaire funding them, and we have stood still whilst other clubs strive to improve. It always "tomorrow" with this club. Look at the UWE thread and the endless "is today the day?" posts. Today is never the day. People promise to deliver and dont, then dont have the guts to address the fans when things go tits up.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 3, 2017 19:15:11 GMT
Dwayne sports, whoever the **** they are have no intention of building anything,you never hear anything from WAQ, he is worse than Higgs. If he wants out, just say, I am sure we can take it. And as for Hamer, what the **** was all that rambling about. The bottom line there is no Plan B.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:17:00 GMT
Dwayne sports, whoever the **** they are have no intention of building anything,you never hear anything from WAQ, he is worse than Higgs. If he wants out, just say, I am sure we can take it. And as for Hamer, what the **** was all that rambling about. The bottom line there is no Plan B. Not even a Plan A either by the sound of it.
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Post by yattongas on Aug 3, 2017 19:17:51 GMT
I think Gasheads need to show a little patience.
Argggggghhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!
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Post by grayraydon on Aug 3, 2017 19:18:08 GMT
They're all dead to me.
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Post by socrates on Aug 3, 2017 19:29:38 GMT
Lots of people jumping to conclusions again on here.
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Post by oviedista on Aug 3, 2017 19:38:14 GMT
"blind faith like yours are exactly why we are light years behind them" That makes the blind of faith if fans the cause - so the attitude of fans at City must account for their success right? No its just why we are falling behind everyone in general, even DC admits we are behind in terms of infrastructure and stadium. It wasn't always that way; other clubs have progressed, City by way of having a billionaire funding them, and we have stood still whilst other clubs strive to improve. It always "tomorrow" with this club. Look at the UWE thread and the endless "is today the day?" posts. Today is never the day. People promise to deliver and dont, then dont have the guts to address the fans when things go tits up. So is it our blind faith or their billionaire funding them that explains why we are "light years behind"? Or the fact that they weren't booted out of the City for 10 years? Or the fact that they have always had their own ground? Or the fact that they have land to expand on? There are clubs in better positions and clubs in worse (much worse). It's football and them's the breaks. In many ways we're lucky we still exist - don't knock positivity it's also just perspective.
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Post by pirate on Aug 3, 2017 19:41:54 GMT
I think Gasheads need to show a little patience. Argggggghhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!! Attachment Deleted
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Post by gascade on Aug 3, 2017 19:48:59 GMT
Can we have a bit of sanity,we are a lot better off than we were five years ago before UWE was even mentioned.Our team and our fans will always prevail,its what we are good at and thats what makes us special.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:52:12 GMT
Just announce sweeney ffs and all will be forgotten
Tony the till. WYHHB?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 20:31:55 GMT
Mods,for christs sake can this thread.Nothing but an outright insult to our owners.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 20:40:13 GMT
Mods,for christs sake can this thread.Nothing but an outright insult to our owners. I disagree, the Al Qadi's need to know that many of us are not happy with explanations and apparent lack of any credible alternative plan.
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