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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 18, 2017 7:33:00 GMT
I'm just hoping its all in hand Steve ... have to say i have lost confidence in DCs and Hamers Recruitment ability,scouting of a player and getting them in the building. I am naively waiting for that big spend on a hungry striker but in my head can sense its simply not coming. There is some real quality out there, people on here have shown that but i fear its over looked as DC knows best!! Before people start banging on about Broadbent we only got him down to a lucky turn of fate not a meticulous scouting network looking for potential talent. I just wish we had been told honestly in June that there is no real money, we will get what we can and this season will be a battle to better last. Deep down I probably knew it even though I hoped we had turned the corner as a club, sadly the corner was simply a roundabout!! Posts like this frustrate me. It's clear you have no intention of being fair. Personally, im of the belief that one game doesn't make Tom Broadbent a world beater but should the signing be a success- you have to give DC credit, not rule it out as luck. You're approach is DC can't do wrong for doing right. Im not also not sure to what talent you believe is/ was out there? The Truth: sides that have spent on fees have also made money in recent transfer windows. We have not. Portsmouth might be the biggest side in the division and our activity is comparable. In that case why didn't Wael not attempt to play down SH's seemingly now ridiculous suggestion DC had a competitive top 6 budget, it seems fairly obvious now it's once again just a mid-table budget and despite us being taken over by a wealthy Jordanian family the 1st team playing budget is probably no greater than it would have been under the old regimes. The worry for me at the moment is we lack goal scorers if Bodin's threat is stopped and no LW bar the ineffective Moore even in the squad, plus Smith doesn't look as competent as Lumley at the moment and the whole defence is back looking shaky, so we've gone backwards on last season's top 10 squad plus the likes of Bury have upped their games. To top that we have a tough first 5 fixtures, meaning tomorrow's game is one where we need a result.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 18, 2017 7:45:42 GMT
Posts like this frustrate me. It's clear you have no intention of being fair. Personally, im of the belief that one game doesn't make Tom Broadbent a world beater but should the signing be a success- you have to give DC credit, not rule it out as luck. You're approach is DC can't do wrong for doing right. Im not also not sure to what talent you believe is/ was out there? The Truth: sides that have spent on fees have also made money in recent transfer windows. We have not. Portsmouth might be the biggest side in the division and our activity is comparable. In that case why didn't Wael not attempt to play down SH's seemingly now ridiculous suggestion DC had a competitive top 6 budget, it seems fairly obvious now it's once again just a mid-table budget and despite us being taken over by a wealthy Jordanian family the 1st team playing budget is probably no greater than it would have been under the old regimes.The worry for me at the moment is we lack goal scorers if Bodin's threat is stopped and no LW bar the ineffective Moore even in the squad, plus Smith doesn't look as competent as Lumley at the moment and the whole defence is back looking shaky, so we've gone backwards on last season's top 10 squad plus the likes of Bury have upped their games. To top that we have a tough first 5 fixtures, meaning tomorrow's game is one where we need a result. Wael said from the start he never intended to just pump stupid amounts of money into the playing side so I don't know where this expectation has come from that he would.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 7:55:06 GMT
In that case why didn't Wael not attempt to play down SH's seemingly now ridiculous suggestion DC had a competitive top 6 budget, it seems fairly obvious now it's once again just a mid-table budget and despite us being taken over by a wealthy Jordanian family the 1st team playing budget is probably no greater than it would have been under the old regimes.The worry for me at the moment is we lack goal scorers if Bodin's threat is stopped and no LW bar the ineffective Moore even in the squad, plus Smith doesn't look as competent as Lumley at the moment and the whole defence is back looking shaky, so we've gone backwards on last season's top 10 squad plus the likes of Bury have upped their games. To top that we have a tough first 5 fixtures, meaning tomorrow's game is one where we need a result. Wael said from the start he never intended to just pump stupid amounts of money into the playing side so I don't know where this expectation has come from that he would. So what would you reasonably expect a top 6 competitve budget to be? Certainly more than £350k/£400k as a transfer fund kitty which appears to be all DC has.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 18, 2017 7:57:06 GMT
In that case why didn't Wael not attempt to play down SH's seemingly now ridiculous suggestion DC had a competitive top 6 budget,... I think after the budget meeting everyone seemed relatively happy with the budget they came up with. And then several weeks later DC (and Hamer iirc) said he was surprised by the sort of money that was going around. And our recruitment seemed to show we missed the boat, or underbid, on a lot of our first choices. It's pretty apparent we were caught on the hop, but that is done, and to keep going on about the top six budget as if that were a current thing, seems to me to be deliberately ignoring what people have said since then. Istm, a trickle down from the bigger Prem deal happening quicker than people were expecting, and a number of clubs pushing the boat out further than people thought, and a larger number of 'medium-sized' aspirants to the second tier all contributed to a lot more money around the third tier this summer, and a seller's market. Personally, I'd rather the club stick to what they originally considered a reasonable and sustainable budget than go chasing the likes of Bury, whose fans seem to be mystified by their new spending.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 18, 2017 7:58:33 GMT
Wael said from the start he never intended to just pump stupid amounts of money into the playing side so I don't know where this expectation has come from that he would. So what would you reasonably expect a top 6 competitve budget to be? Certainly more than £350k/£400k as a transfer fund kitty which appears to be all DC has. When did I ever say anything about a top 6 budget? My guess is that we don't have one. I just don't understand why people keep talking about Wael's takeover of the club and expecting a hefty playing budget to go with it, when he made it clear from the start that his intentions weren't to just go and spend a fortune on players.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 18, 2017 8:03:00 GMT
In that case why didn't Wael not attempt to play down SH's seemingly now ridiculous suggestion DC had a competitive top 6 budget,... I think after the budget meeting everyone seemed relatively happy with the budget they came up with. And then several weeks later DC (and Hamer iirc) said he was surprised by the sort of money that was going around. And our recruitment seemed to show we missed the boat, or underbid, on a lot of our first choices. It's pretty apparent we were caught on the hop, but that is done, and to keep going on about the top six budget as if that were a current thing, seems to me to be deliberately ignoring what people have said since then. Istm, a trickle down from the bigger Prem deal happening quicker than people were expecting, and a number of clubs pushing the boat out further than people thought, and a larger number of 'medium-sized' aspirants to the second tier all contributed to a lot more money around the third tier this summer, and a seller's market. Personally, I'd rather the club stick to what they originally considered a reasonable and sustainable budget than go chasing the likes of Bury, whose fans seem to be mystified by their new spending. Exactly! There will be a lot of clubs coming down from the Championship that have a lot more revenue than we do and can therefore afford to spend a lot more money. However, there will also be clubs spending money that they don't really have in the hope that they gain promotion to the Championship where their revenue will massively increase, but that is a big gamble to take. Sometimes it will pay off and sometimes it won't, if it doesn't then you could end up like Leyton Orient.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 8:12:44 GMT
So what would you reasonably expect a top 6 competitve budget to be? Certainly more than £350k/£400k as a transfer fund kitty which appears to be all DC has. When did I ever say anything about a top 6 budget? My guess is that we don't have one. I just don't understand why people keep talking about Wael's takeover of the club and expecting a hefty playing budget to go with it, when he made it clear from the start that his intentions weren't to just go and spend a fortune on players. With respect its not important what you say or didn't say about budgets - the supporters of this club were told quite clearly by the Chairman that DC would have a competitive top 6 budget. Is he that naive to make those sort of statements in June of this year without realising what other clubs were likely to have in the way of budgets. If that's the case he's in the wrong job - because supporters quite naturally tend to believe (not just on this forum) what the hierarchy of this club have to say - some of us older heads tend to be a bit more cynical.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 18, 2017 8:17:15 GMT
When did I ever say anything about a top 6 budget? My guess is that we don't have one. I just don't understand why people keep talking about Wael's takeover of the club and expecting a hefty playing budget to go with it, when he made it clear from the start that his intentions weren't to just go and spend a fortune on players. With respect its not important what you say or didn't say about budgets - the supporters of this club were told quite clearly by the Chairman that DC would have a competitive top 6 budget. Is he that naive to make those sort of statements in June of this year without realising what other clubs were likely to have in the way of budgets. If that's the case he's in the wrong job - because supporters quite naturally tend to believe (not just on this forum) what the hierarchy of this club have to say - some of us older heads tend to be a bit more cynical. Maybe not, but you've just tried to engage in a debate with me on a topic that I wasn't even talking about.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 18, 2017 8:27:21 GMT
When did I ever say anything about a top 6 budget? My guess is that we don't have one. I just don't understand why people keep talking about Wael's takeover of the club and expecting a hefty playing budget to go with it, when he made it clear from the start that his intentions weren't to just go and spend a fortune on players. With respect its not important what you say or didn't say about budgets - the supporters of this club were told quite clearly by the Chairman that DC would have a competitive top 6 budget. Is he that naive to make those sort of statements in June of this year without realising what other clubs were likely to have in the way of budgets. If that's the case he's in the wrong job - because supporters quite naturally tend to believe (not just on this forum) what the hierarchy of this club have to say - some of us older heads tend to be a bit more cynical. And again, DC admitted he was surprised by the state of the market this summer. So, by your reasoning, he is in the wrong job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 9:28:00 GMT
When did I ever say anything about a top 6 budget? My guess is that we don't have one. I just don't understand why people keep talking about Wael's takeover of the club and expecting a hefty playing budget to go with it, when he made it clear from the start that his intentions weren't to just go and spend a fortune on players. With respect its not important what you say or didn't say about budgets - the supporters of this club were told quite clearly by the Chairman that DC would have a competitive top 6 budget. Is he that naive to make those sort of statements in June of this year without realising what other clubs were likely to have in the way of budgets. If that's the case he's in the wrong job - because supporters quite naturally tend to believe (not just on this forum) what the hierarchy of this club have to say - some of us older heads tend to be a bit more cynical. I reckon the whole football world have been shocked by the steep rise in transfer fees and salary demands,even big clubs like spurs and chelsea have been caught out by the change. What wael wants to do is build an academy and development squad to bring players through to the 1st team but it takes time. Its also possible that this hike in prices for lower league players is only temporary and clubs will struggle to sustain the current over pricing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 9:32:18 GMT
We have ollie clarke or stuart sinclair that can play defensive midfield. I agree about left wing although dc dosnt really like wingers and has built his squad as if he wants to play a narrow 4-3-3/4-5-1 system with full backs providing width. If Ollie Clarke can reproduce last seasons for then maybe he could be the answer, but he was here last season and was part of the side that conceded the same amount or more goals as 3 relegated teams. As much as I like Sincs, he isn't the answer and his lack of tactical discipline running about here, there and everywhere has often left us wide open and contributed to goals conceded. If Bodin's threat is nullified there isn't anyone to provide a bit of magic and create from a wide position, whether goals or chances for others. A new quality winger is essential. We cant afford much more its obvious.
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Post by roosty56 on Aug 18, 2017 10:12:41 GMT
DC states he is trying, to get the balance right, then says he is looking to sign a defensive midfielder and a left sided player, but no mention of a target man, forwards we have should score at least 50 goals between them for us to be competitive in the league this season, if we get that left sided player, he be expected to have the same style as Bodin, cutting in to the danger area, only one opinion that matters is DC, I appreciate that, but if we don't sign a strong strapping CF who has experience, can't see where the goals are going to come from(Except Bodin) for us to be competitive this season, this is my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 10:16:50 GMT
DC states he is trying, to get the balance right, then says he is looking to sign a defensive midfielder and a left sided player, but no mention of a target man, forwards we have should score at least 50 goals between them for us to be competitive in the league this season, if we get that left sided player, he be expected to have the same style as Bodin, cutting in to the danger area, only one opinion that matters is DC, I appreciate that, but if we don't sign a strong strapping CF who has experience, can't see where the goals are going to come from(Except Bodin) for us to be competitive this season, this is my opinion And yet all the success we have had has been without a big target man type player?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 10:33:18 GMT
DC states he is trying, to get the balance right, then says he is looking to sign a defensive midfielder and a left sided player, but no mention of a target man, forwards we have should score at least 50 goals between them for us to be competitive in the league this season, if we get that left sided player, he be expected to have the same style as Bodin, cutting in to the danger area, only one opinion that matters is DC, I appreciate that, but if we don't sign a strong strapping CF who has experience, can't see where the goals are going to come from(Except Bodin) for us to be competitive this season, this is my opinion And yet all the success we have had has been without a big target man type player?
I think there is always room for that type of player either in the team or on the bench, but other clubs have proven you can do it without.
The last 2 leagues have been poor all in all honesty, league one although not amazing still has a lot more quality therefore you have to mix things up a bit.
I remember Gary Johnson used to regularly use a centre back (cant remember the name now) up front at the end of matches who notched quite a few goals for the teds. Broadbent anyone?
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Post by singupgas on Aug 18, 2017 10:37:07 GMT
If we stay as we are, then we will be in for a long season or one that we reach nowhere near our aspirations of being in the Top 6
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 18, 2017 10:40:11 GMT
And yet all the success we have had has been without a big target man type player?
I think there is always room for that type of player either in the team or on the bench, but other clubs have proven you can do it without.
The last 2 leagues have been poor all in all honesty, league one although not amazing still has a lot more quality therefore you have to mix things up a bit.
I remember Gary Johnson used to regularly use a centre back (cant remember the name now) up front at the end of matches who notched quite a few goals for the teds. Broadbent anyone?
For some teams it is vital to have a target man depending on the system you play. A lot of Prem teams now play either 4-2-3-1 or 3-4-3 effectively with one up top. In these formations having a big man who can win the ball in the air, hold the ball up and score goals is probably quite important. If you look at the top Prem sides with the top Prem strikers last year, a lot of them were this type of player - Kane, Lukaku, Costa, Zlatan, Giroud are all examples. Edit - it was only really Man City and Liverpool who played without this type of player
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Post by stroudgas93 on Aug 18, 2017 10:40:36 GMT
DC states he is trying, to get the balance right, then says he is looking to sign a defensive midfielder and a left sided player, but no mention of a target man, forwards we have should score at least 50 goals between them for us to be competitive in the league this season, if we get that left sided player, he be expected to have the same style as Bodin, cutting in to the danger area, only one opinion that matters is DC, I appreciate that, but if we don't sign a strong strapping CF who has experience, can't see where the goals are going to come from(Except Bodin) for us to be competitive this season, this is my opinion And yet all the success we have had has been without a big target man type player? I see what you mean, target men have never really fit into our system that well with DC at the helm, but to go up a level in terms of performance we need something different in our artillery. It's all well and good passing the ball around the edge of the box but I can't help but feel that we need that big strong centre forward who takes two defenders with him. It's so effective against ourselves, Nile Ranger springs to mind, also there was a fella playing for FGR in the recent friendly in the 2nd half who always had two of our defenders trying to get the ball off him, creating space for his other team mates. It's all well and good having big defenders like we do but if we don't have someone who is going to cause a lot of trouble to the opposing centre backs then I can't see us taking it up a notch this year!
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Post by pirate on Aug 18, 2017 10:40:55 GMT
And yet all the success we have had has been without a big target man type player?
I think there is always room for that type of player either in the team or on the bench, but other clubs have proven you can do it without.
The last 2 leagues have been poor all in all honesty, league one although not amazing still has a lot more quality therefore you have to mix things up a bit.
I remember Gary Johnson used to regularly use a centre back (cant remember the name now) up front at the end of matches who notched quite a few goals for the teds. Broadbent anyone?
Probably thinking of Jamie McCombe. He was a big unit and I'm sure he was thrown upfront on occasions.
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Post by Marshy on Aug 18, 2017 10:41:56 GMT
If we stay as we are, then we will be in for a long season or one that we reach nowhere near our aspirations of being in the Top 6 Our aspersions are top 6 but clearly the boards aspirations aren't. I believe the club want to sit in this league for a year or 2, so don't go up and certainly don't go down seems to be the brief? But hey what do I know!
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Post by baggins on Aug 18, 2017 10:59:17 GMT
If we stay as we are, then we will be in for a long season or one that we reach nowhere near our aspirations of being in the Top 6 Our aspersions are top 6 but clearly the boards aspirations aren't. I believe the club want to sit in this league for a year or 2, so don't go up and certainly don't go down seems to be the brief? But hey what do I know! Until the training ground, new ground (wherever, whatever that may be) are sorted, lounging around L1 is probably for the best.
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