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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 8, 2017 7:00:18 GMT
I get the impression that the whole future of the club rests on what DC can manage to magic out of the team. Push for and achieve a Championship place, the funds will come flying in. Miss out and settle in a low place in L1, then it's a new tent and a pasty hut. If DC leaves, where will be we be then? I'm probably wrong, but I just see the owners waiting to see where DC can take us before they decide how much to invest. Which is topsy turvy thinking. I think anyone who thinks only DC could possibly take us forward is a bit naive. It gets to a point where you have to put more money in than the rest to do well. I think league 1 is where it begins, championships is one of the top most watched leagues in the world and a huge amounts of money flowing through it. to get there amd stay there unless your very lucky you have to spemd aome money. I think the expectation on DC to perform miracles is a bit much. the man has dome very well in the budget handed to him, until he is given considerably better budget I don't see us being any better than top 10. DC is the only person at the club who has actually delivered his side of the bargain. So far everyone else has failed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 8:44:12 GMT
I will be very surprised if The Colony project goes ahead as originally intended. It was initially intended to be the home of the whole playing staff and support staff during the week. Any infrastructure to support those number of people would need to be huge - there are around 30 players and staff in the Acadamy alone - add to that around 20 development players plus support staff and probably another 30 players and staff for the first team squad. Eighty odd people plus the day to day staff to run The Colony - how's this going to be financed - not just the build of but the day to day running costs. There must have been a linkage when perceived to a successful outcome of UWE where the infrastructure would have been in place (within maybe 3 years) to at least have given The Colony and the rest of the club financial sustainability - at the moment I just can't see it.
One of the earlier more believable 'Hamerisms' was that the club needed average match day attendances of 15k to break even - that will not happen if/when the Mem is being regenerated piecemeal over say the next 5 years. In the meantime the debt will continue to rise - hence, perhaps one of the reasons why DC was persuaded to take a five year contract to at least try and keep this club in the 1st division - anything less would spell disaster.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 8, 2017 9:15:19 GMT
If the Al-Qadis arent going to fund it, who are we expecting to fund an ground/traing ground at Rovers.
Unless a mentalist with a massive personal fortune wants to sink in and lose money with no bother, than anything that happens will need to financed and paid back regardless of whether its NH the AQs or Tom, Dick and Harry.
Maybe the AQs have been over ambitious or underestimated the task, but People make it sound as if the AQs left someone else would make it happen like that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 10:54:20 GMT
I will be very surprised if The Colony project goes ahead as originally intended. It was initially intended to be the home of the whole playing staff and support staff during the week. Any infrastructure to support those number of people would need to be huge - there are around 30 players and staff in the Acadamy alone - add to that around 20 development players plus support staff and probably another 30 players and staff for the first team squad. Eighty odd people plus the day to day staff to run The Colony - how's this going to be financed - not just the build of but the day to day running costs. There must have been a linkage when perceived to a successful outcome of UWE where the infrastructure would have been in place (within maybe 3 years) to at least have given The Colony and the rest of the club financial sustainability - at the moment I just can't see it. One of the earlier more believable 'Hamerisms' was that the club needed average match day attendances of 15k to break even - that will not happen if/when the Mem is being regenerated piecemeal over say the next 5 years. In the meantime the debt will continue to rise - hence, perhaps one of the reasons why DC was persuaded to take a five year contract to at least try and keep this club in the 1st division - anything less would spell disaster.
If I was an ambitious manager like DC seems to be, this would not be a very good reason to sign a 5 year deal, especially if he knew UWE was unlikely to happen.
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Post by knowall on Sept 8, 2017 11:45:43 GMT
I will be very surprised if The Colony project goes ahead as originally intended. It was initially intended to be the home of the whole playing staff and support staff during the week. Any infrastructure to support those number of people would need to be huge - there are around 30 players and staff in the Acadamy alone - add to that around 20 development players plus support staff and probably another 30 players and staff for the first team squad. Eighty odd people plus the day to day staff to run The Colony - how's this going to be financed - not just the build of but the day to day running costs. There must have been a linkage when perceived to a successful outcome of UWE where the infrastructure would have been in place (within maybe 3 years) to at least have given The Colony and the rest of the club financial sustainability - at the moment I just can't see it. One of the earlier more believable 'Hamerisms' was that the club needed average match day attendances of 15k to break even - that will not happen if/when the Mem is being regenerated piecemeal over say the next 5 years. In the meantime the debt will continue to rise - hence, perhaps one of the reasons why DC was persuaded to take a five year contract to at least try and keep this club in the 1st division - anything less would spell disaster. Your comments might hold water if you thought the whole thing through. How is this going to be financed? you ask - do you know how much the current situation costs? - no, I thought not! At the moment costs are increased by the logistical spread of the whole organization - if you ever ran a business you would know there is much to be gained by bringing fractured activity under one roof. Including costs through rents and transport not to mention time factors. I understand why you say you can't see it - but better brains can. Plans are well advanced for the relocation in due course and are not and never have been anything to do with UWE. Sorry to rebut your usual negativity - but it would help if I suggest, you think before you write.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 8, 2017 11:58:09 GMT
I will be very surprised if The Colony project goes ahead as originally intended. It was initially intended to be the home of the whole playing staff and support staff during the week. Any infrastructure to support those number of people would need to be huge - there are around 30 players and staff in the Acadamy alone - add to that around 20 development players plus support staff and probably another 30 players and staff for the first team squad. Eighty odd people plus the day to day staff to run The Colony - how's this going to be financed - not just the build of but the day to day running costs. There must have been a linkage when perceived to a successful outcome of UWE where the infrastructure would have been in place (within maybe 3 years) to at least have given The Colony and the rest of the club financial sustainability - at the moment I just can't see it. One of the earlier more believable 'Hamerisms' was that the club needed average match day attendances of 15k to break even - that will not happen if/when the Mem is being regenerated piecemeal over say the next 5 years. In the meantime the debt will continue to rise - hence, perhaps one of the reasons why DC was persuaded to take a five year contract to at least try and keep this club in the 1st division - anything less would spell disaster. Your comments might hold water if you thought the whole thing through. How is this going to be financed? you ask - do you know how much the current situation costs? - no, I thought not! At the moment costs are increased by the logistical spread of the whole organization - if you ever ran a business you would know there is much to be gained by bringing fractured activity under one roof. Including costs through rents and transport not to mention time factors. I understand why you say you can't see it - but better brains can. Plans are well advanced for the relocation in due course and are not and never have been anything to do with UWE. Sorry to rebut your usual negativity - but it would help if I suggest, you think before you write. Best put down all week
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Post by knowall on Sept 8, 2017 12:00:59 GMT
Your comments might hold water if you thought the whole thing through. How is this going to be financed? you ask - do you know how much the current situation costs? - no, I thought not! At the moment costs are increased by the logistical spread of the whole organization - if you ever ran a business you would know there is much to be gained by bringing fractured activity under one roof. Including costs through rents and transport not to mention time factors. I understand why you say you can't see it - but better brains can. Plans are well advanced for the relocation in due course and are not and never have been anything to do with UWE. Sorry to rebut your usual negativity - but it would help if I suggest, you think before you write. Best put down all week Some ask for it!
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 8, 2017 12:23:17 GMT
I will be very surprised if The Colony project goes ahead as originally intended. It was initially intended to be the home of the whole playing staff and support staff during the week. Any infrastructure to support those number of people would need to be huge - there are around 30 players and staff in the Acadamy alone - add to that around 20 development players plus support staff and probably another 30 players and staff for the first team squad. Eighty odd people plus the day to day staff to run The Colony - how's this going to be financed - not just the build of but the day to day running costs. There must have been a linkage when perceived to a successful outcome of UWE where the infrastructure would have been in place (within maybe 3 years) to at least have given The Colony and the rest of the club financial sustainability - at the moment I just can't see it. One of the earlier more believable 'Hamerisms' was that the club needed average match day attendances of 15k to break even - that will not happen if/when the Mem is being regenerated piecemeal over say the next 5 years. In the meantime the debt will continue to rise - hence, perhaps one of the reasons why DC was persuaded to take a five year contract to at least try and keep this club in the 1st division - anything less would spell disaster. Your comments might hold water if you thought the whole thing through. How is this going to be financed? you ask - do you know how much the current situation costs? - no, I thought not! At the moment costs are increased by the logistical spread of the whole organization - if you ever ran a business you would know there is much to be gained by bringing fractured activity under one roof. Including costs through rents and transport not to mention time factors. I understand why you say you can't see it - but better brains can. Plans are well advanced for the relocation in due course and are not and never have been anything to do with UWE. Sorry to rebut your usual negativity - but it would help if I suggest, you think before you write.
I doubt the OP typed that before thinking, the problem with one liner put downs like that is from past experience the OP will eventually be proven right. Building the facilities required at The Colony are going to cost millions, £5m+ inc purchasing the land?, so it'll be interesting to see if the ALQ's (or external investors) are prepared to fund that type of investment with virtually no guarantee they'll ever get it back. Have the ALQ's really given Wael £50m+ just to play with at Rovers or is somebody just stringing us (& him?) along?
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Post by knowall on Sept 8, 2017 12:47:12 GMT
Your comments might hold water if you thought the whole thing through. How is this going to be financed? you ask - do you know how much the current situation costs? - no, I thought not! At the moment costs are increased by the logistical spread of the whole organization - if you ever ran a business you would know there is much to be gained by bringing fractured activity under one roof. Including costs through rents and transport not to mention time factors. I understand why you say you can't see it - but better brains can. Plans are well advanced for the relocation in due course and are not and never have been anything to do with UWE. Sorry to rebut your usual negativity - but it would help if I suggest, you think before you write.
I doubt the OP typed that before thinking, the problem with one liner put downs like that is from past experience the OP will eventually be proven right. Building the facilities required at The Colony are going to cost millions, £5m+ inc purchasing the land?, so it'll be interesting to see if the ALQ's (or external investors) are prepared to fund that type of investment with virtually no guarantee they'll ever get it back. Have the ALQ's really given Wael £50m+ just to play with at Rovers or is somebody just stringing us (& him?) along? Pity the contributors like Topper and newblue who continually put down anything to do with Rovers management don't put their pessimism to better use and support the Club in a positive way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 12:52:01 GMT
I will be very surprised if The Colony project goes ahead as originally intended. It was initially intended to be the home of the whole playing staff and support staff during the week. Any infrastructure to support those number of people would need to be huge - there are around 30 players and staff in the Acadamy alone - add to that around 20 development players plus support staff and probably another 30 players and staff for the first team squad. Eighty odd people plus the day to day staff to run The Colony - how's this going to be financed - not just the build of but the day to day running costs. There must have been a linkage when perceived to a successful outcome of UWE where the infrastructure would have been in place (within maybe 3 years) to at least have given The Colony and the rest of the club financial sustainability - at the moment I just can't see it. One of the earlier more believable 'Hamerisms' was that the club needed average match day attendances of 15k to break even - that will not happen if/when the Mem is being regenerated piecemeal over say the next 5 years. In the meantime the debt will continue to rise - hence, perhaps one of the reasons why DC was persuaded to take a five year contract to at least try and keep this club in the 1st division - anything less would spell disaster. Your comments might hold water if you thought the whole thing through. How is this going to be financed? you ask - do you know how much the current situation costs? - no, I thought not! At the moment costs are increased by the logistical spread of the whole organization - if you ever ran a business you would know there is much to be gained by bringing fractured activity under one roof. Including costs through rents and transport not to mention time factors. I understand why you say you can't see it - but better brains can. Plans are well advanced for the relocation in due course and are not and never have been anything to do with UWE. Sorry to rebut your usual negativity - but it would help if I suggest, you think before you write. You're not being particularly smart stating the obvious. You clearly have an advantage over me knowing the costs of running the club over so many sites - so I bow to your superior knowledge. What is in question for me is the significant capital outlay (up to £10m maybe?) which is going to be required to make this happen. WAQ, Hamer, DC have all stated quite clearly and obviously that we need a modern stadium to move the club forward - how are we going to generate the revenue to support this facility when we are clearly losing in the present set up the best part of £2m per annum? Hamer quite clearly stated we need average attendances of 15k to break even - that is not going to happen for many years to come - clearly a big capital injection is going to be required on top of the stadium - that's what I don't see. I've seen too many let downs over my many years supporting the club - arguably the biggest just a few weeks ago. Have I got faith at the moment - answer no - until I start to see something tangible happening it will remain just that. And BtW I was in business - a much bigger business than this - and very successful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 13:09:36 GMT
There is also the running costs of The Colony to take into account.
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Post by markczgas on Sept 8, 2017 13:17:04 GMT
The sun's just come out !
Can we have a bit more positivity and patience? The land has been bought presumably for football use and not Jordanian goat herding !!
The club won't want to keep renting facilities out - costs are high.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 8, 2017 13:26:18 GMT
I doubt the OP typed that before thinking, the problem with one liner put downs like that is from past experience the OP will eventually be proven right. Building the facilities required at The Colony are going to cost millions, £5m+ inc purchasing the land?, so it'll be interesting to see if the ALQ's (or external investors) are prepared to fund that type of investment with virtually no guarantee they'll ever get it back. Have the ALQ's really given Wael £50m+ just to play with at Rovers or is somebody just stringing us (& him?) along? Pity the contributors like Topper and newblue who continually put down anything to do with Rovers management don't put their pessimism to better use and support the Club in a positive way. What herd like behaviour just for the sake of it? Any optimisum I had died along with the UWE plans, I'll now believe I'll be sat in a new stadium when it's built, the younger generation can remain believers if they want to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 13:34:34 GMT
Pity the contributors like Topper and newblue who continually put down anything to do with Rovers management don't put their pessimism to better use and support the Club in a positive way. What herd like behaviour just for the sake of it? Any optimisum I had died along with the UWE plans, I'll now believe I'll be sat in a new stadium when it's built, the younger generation can remain believers if they want to.
No point worrying about something which is out of our hands, but ive been wary of Wael since Day one and nothing has happened to make me less wary of him in the 20 months since
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Post by poorblue on Sept 8, 2017 13:38:22 GMT
Your comments might hold water if you thought the whole thing through. How is this going to be financed? you ask - do you know how much the current situation costs? - no, I thought not! At the moment costs are increased by the logistical spread of the whole organization - if you ever ran a business you would know there is much to be gained by bringing fractured activity under one roof. Including costs through rents and transport not to mention time factors. I understand why you say you can't see it - but better brains can. Plans are well advanced for the relocation in due course and are not and never have been anything to do with UWE. Sorry to rebut your usual negativity - but it would help if I suggest, you think before you write. You're not being particularly smart stating the obvious. You clearly have an advantage over me knowing the costs of running the club over so many sites - so I bow to your superior knowledge. What is in question for me is the significant capital outlay (up to £10m maybe?) which is going to be required to make this happen. WAQ, Hamer, DC have all stated quite clearly and obviously that we need a modern stadium to move the club forward - how are we going to generate the revenue to support this facility when we are clearly losing in the present set up the best part of £2m per annum? Hamer quite clearly stated we need average attendances of 15k to break even - that is not going to happen for many years to come - clearly a big capital injection is going to be required on top of the stadium - that's what I don't see. I've seen too many let downs over my many years supporting the club - arguably the biggest just a few weeks ago. Have I got faith at the moment - answer no - until I start to see something tangible happening it will remain just that. And BtW I was in business - a much bigger business than this - and very successful.
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Post by poorblue on Sept 8, 2017 13:53:07 GMT
I will be very surprised if The Colony project goes ahead as originally intended. It was initially intended to be the home of the whole playing staff and support staff during the week. Any infrastructure to support those number of people would need to be huge - there are around 30 players and staff in the Acadamy alone - add to that around 20 development players plus support staff and probably another 30 players and staff for the first team squad. Eighty odd people plus the day to day staff to run The Colony - how's this going to be financed - not just the build of but the day to day running costs. There must have been a linkage when perceived to a successful outcome of UWE where the infrastructure would have been in place (within maybe 3 years) to at least have given The Colony and the rest of the club financial sustainability - at the moment I just can't see it. One of the earlier more believable 'Hamerisms' was that the club needed average match day attendances of 15k to break even - that will not happen if/when the Mem is being regenerated piecemeal over say the next 5 years. In the meantime the debt will continue to rise - hence, perhaps one of the reasons why DC was persuaded to take a five year contract to at least try and keep this club in the 1st division - anything less would spell disaster. Your comments might hold water if you thought the whole thing through. How is this going to be financed? you ask - do you know how much the current situation costs? - no, I thought not! At the moment costs are increased by the logistical spread of the whole organization - if you ever ran a business you would know there is much to be gained by bringing fractured activity under one roof. Including costs through rents and transport not to mention time factors. I understand why you say you can't see it - but better brains can. Plans are well advanced for the relocation in due course and are not and never have been anything to do with UWE. Sorry to rebut your usual negativity - but it would help if I suggest, you think before you write. Do I know much about finance NO Do I Know much about running a football club NO What I THINK I know or recall is that the Colony development had some elements for benefiting the local community (just as stated by redeveloping the Mem) so possibly that could reduce or cover any expenditure possibly. How could this be? You guess is a good as mine but how about hiring out the venue for functions such as conferences and weddings etc. Also I recall that the FA fund academy setups to a certain level.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 15:04:00 GMT
Your comments might hold water if you thought the whole thing through. How is this going to be financed? you ask - do you know how much the current situation costs? - no, I thought not! At the moment costs are increased by the logistical spread of the whole organization - if you ever ran a business you would know there is much to be gained by bringing fractured activity under one roof. Including costs through rents and transport not to mention time factors. I understand why you say you can't see it - but better brains can. Plans are well advanced for the relocation in due course and are not and never have been anything to do with UWE. Sorry to rebut your usual negativity - but it would help if I suggest, you think before you write. You're not being particularly smart stating the obvious. You clearly have an advantage over me knowing the costs of running the club over so many sites - so I bow to your superior knowledge. What is in question for me is the significant capital outlay (up to £10m maybe?) which is going to be required to make this happen. WAQ, Hamer, DC have all stated quite clearly and obviously that we need a modern stadium to move the club forward - how are we going to generate the revenue to support this facility when we are clearly losing in the present set up the best part of £2m per annum? Hamer quite clearly stated we need average attendances of 15k to break even - that is not going to happen for many years to come - clearly a big capital injection is going to be required on top of the stadium - that's what I don't see. I've seen too many let downs over my many years supporting the club - arguably the biggest just a few weeks ago. Have I got faith at the moment - answer no - until I start to see something tangible happening it will remain just that. And BtW I was in business - a much bigger business than this - and very successful. If on transfer deadline day D.C. had gone out and bought a left winger for £250,000 , a central defensive midfielder for £350,000 and a striker for £600,000 would people criticise the club ? would they say it was money we didn't have ? Where will the club get the money back ? Who was funding this ? How can crowds of 9000 warrant this spending ?
I suspect though could be wrong ,that the talk would be of how Rovers could now challenge for the playoffs.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 8, 2017 15:26:46 GMT
You're not being particularly smart stating the obvious. You clearly have an advantage over me knowing the costs of running the club over so many sites - so I bow to your superior knowledge. What is in question for me is the significant capital outlay (up to £10m maybe?) which is going to be required to make this happen. WAQ, Hamer, DC have all stated quite clearly and obviously that we need a modern stadium to move the club forward - how are we going to generate the revenue to support this facility when we are clearly losing in the present set up the best part of £2m per annum? Hamer quite clearly stated we need average attendances of 15k to break even - that is not going to happen for many years to come - clearly a big capital injection is going to be required on top of the stadium - that's what I don't see. I've seen too many let downs over my many years supporting the club - arguably the biggest just a few weeks ago. Have I got faith at the moment - answer no - until I start to see something tangible happening it will remain just that. And BtW I was in business - a much bigger business than this - and very successful. If on transfer deadline day D.C. had gone out and bought a left winger for £250,000 , a central defensive midfielder for £350,000 and a striker for £600,000 would people criticise the club ? would they say it was money we didn't have ? Where will the club get the money back ? Who was funding this ? How can crowds of 9000 warrant this spending ?
I suspect though could be wrong ,that the talk would be of how Rovers could now challenge for the playoffs.
Getting a replacement for Monty on a free is hardly spending £100K's on a winger, meanwhile, we expected to just accept that the ALQ's are going to spend £50m on the club. Sorry but I'll remain a pessimist until there's some evidence to be optimistic!
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 8, 2017 15:33:30 GMT
Your comments might hold water if you thought the whole thing through. How is this going to be financed? you ask - do you know how much the current situation costs? - no, I thought not! At the moment costs are increased by the logistical spread of the whole organization - if you ever ran a business you would know there is much to be gained by bringing fractured activity under one roof. Including costs through rents and transport not to mention time factors. I understand why you say you can't see it - but better brains can. Plans are well advanced for the relocation in due course and are not and never have been anything to do with UWE. Sorry to rebut your usual negativity - but it would help if I suggest, you think before you write. Do I know much about finance NO Do I Know much about running a football club NO What I THINK I know or recall is that the Colony development had some elements for benefiting the local community (just as stated by redeveloping the Mem) so possibly that could reduce or cover any expenditure possibly. How could this be? You guess is a good as mine but how about hiring out the venue for functions such as conferences and weddings etc. Also I recall that the FA fund academy setups to a certain level. Little chance of getting pp for a conference suite type facilities when we can't even charge fans to watch games at The Colony, whether we can generate sufficient renting out the pitches is anybody's guess, let's hope we don't need another feasibility study before proceeding!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 15:40:12 GMT
If on transfer deadline day D.C. had gone out and bought a left winger for £250,000 , a central defensive midfielder for £350,000 and a striker for £600,000 would people criticise the club ? would they say it was money we didn't have ? Where will the club get the money back ? Who was funding this ? How can crowds of 9000 warrant this spending ?
I suspect though could be wrong ,that the talk would be of how Rovers could now challenge for the playoffs.
Getting a replacement for Monty on a free is hardly spending £100K's on a winger, meanwhile, we expected to just accept that the ALQ's are going to spend £50m on the club. Sorry but I'll remain a pessimist until there's some evidence to be optimistic! I never mentioned a free transfer...a free transfer could be someone from mangotsfield united who isn't very good for all we know. You know full well the point was if large fees were spent on some players on deadline day the fans wouldn't be holding an enquiry as to how rovers could finance it or the wages for the next three years. The Al Qadis are not spending £50million pay attention young man ? they have sought finance from investors. Its not their money. Like when most people buy a house its not their money. All the talk of them spending money is absolute rubbish , they will be facilitating Rovers getting the money to build this project. The Al Qadis are wealthy people but most importantly they know how to raise and invest money.
If BRFC have to pay £1million for 100 years (for example) then its just about ensuring BRFC can pay the £1m each year. Which if this example was correct would be a sum the Al Qadis might feel they can cover themselves if the club struggle to find it all each year.
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