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Post by socrates on Sept 4, 2017 9:38:07 GMT
I think against the lesser sides having Sercombe and lines together is great and we'll steamroll teams but against the better sides, Bradford peterbro etc I think we need more ball winners in there. I know Stu is injured so couldn't play Saturday but I'm just not convinced we're strong enough defensive with lines and Sercombe even when Olly Clarke there. If we play 4-3-3 away again I'd like to see the midfield three as Lines or Sercombe with Clarke and Sinclair. I'd fancy us to beat Walsall and Oldham at home with lines and Sercombe together though just as long as Olly Clarke is in there as the ball winner.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 4, 2017 9:41:11 GMT
It is very clear that from the teams/formations selected here that whatever people say DC has not provided us with a stronger team than last season and has in fact now got a very unbalanced squad with no pace or width and no depth in the squad. We have too many players that are rank average. Peterborough and Bradford have both had pace on the flanks and both are teams who have rebuilt from last season.Bradford in particular lost KEY PLAYERS but you wouldn't know it from Saturdays display. I would lay odds that these two teams will go through the season with a set formation and make few changes other than injuries/suspensions. Projects will see us end up anywhere between 10th and 22nd but top 8 teams will be made up of teams with pace,power,width and settled teams formations. Pick your best side and stick to it for as few games barring injuries.
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Partington Locks Sweeney Bola
Bodin Clarke Sercombe Nicholls
Gaffney/Harrison Telford
On present form Ollie Clarke is not playing well enough to play BUT you can't play with two four attacking midfielders home or away and we are so restricted with who and how we can play.
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Post by socrates on Sept 4, 2017 9:58:41 GMT
It is very clear that from the teams/formations selected here that whatever people say DC has not provided us with a stronger team than last season and has in fact now got a very unbalanced squad with no pace or width and no depth in the squad. We have too many players that are rank average. Peterborough and Bradford have both had pace on the flanks and both are teams who have rebuilt from last season.Bradford in particular lost KEY PLAYERS but you wouldn't know it from Saturdays display. I would lay odds that these two teams will go through the season with a set formation and make few changes other than injuries/suspensions. Projects will see us end up anywhere between 10th and 22nd but top 8 teams will be made up of teams with pace,power,width and settled teams formations. Pick your best side and stick to it for as few games barring injuries. Slocombe/Smith Partington Locks Sweeney Bola Bodin Clarke Sercombe Nicholls Gaffney/Harrison Telford On present form Ollie Clarke is not playing well enough to play BUT you can't play with two four attacking midfielders home or away and we are so restricted with who and how we can play. I agree regarding the balance. I can see why DC has brought Sercombe in because he's a quality player but now we have the problem of having lines and Sercombe in there, they need a ball winner alongside them so we've changed to a new formation to fit them all in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 10:16:44 GMT
The squad IS stronger than last season. Using the squad to the best of their collective ability is the issue. Bradford were not wonders on the wing...they just had nobody marking them. Which combined with inexperienced centrebacks was a recipe for conceding goals. Bradford didn't look that special when trying to come through the middle of the park. D.C. will probably look back and realise that stopping crosses coming into the box should have been his main priority for the game. That means stopping their wingers and also not conceding corners. Dropping Lines and Moore and playing Partington and Bola in midfield MAY have seen a different more positive scoreline on Saturday.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 4, 2017 10:19:03 GMT
Pick the team that won against Fleetwood if that is suitable playing against Walsall. Its away from home a new formula needs finding, Slocombe Brown Sweeney Lockyer Leadbitter Bola Sercombe O Clarke Partington Bodin Harrison Telford ,Nicholls ,Keeper ,Broadbent ,Gaffney ,Lines ,Moore Play with a stronger defensive line up and guarantee that 0-0 . Then have the options on the bench to go attacking if the need/ occasion arises. goal in the 90th minute every game away from home to secure an uninspiring 1-0 will do me fine. Just have to do it 10 times successfully out of the 23 away games to gain 30 points. Why will playing with 4 FB's makes us stronger defensively, as for virtually 90 mins we're going to have to defend our goal, when keeping clean sheets is an issue with our central defenders away from home. Perhaps Partington in the defensive CM role is an option if Sincs is going to miss a few more away games?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 10:57:15 GMT
If Moore starts against Walsall I will seriously question DC's sanity and/or ambition to achieve anything this season.
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Post by miltongas on Sept 4, 2017 11:15:48 GMT
At Bradford on Saturday my mate, who is mainly neutral, asked why Moore was playing. Described him as the worst player on the pitch and a total liability. Given the whole team were poor that really does say a lot about Moore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 15:48:42 GMT
Pick the team that won against Fleetwood if that is suitable playing against Walsall. Its away from home a new formula needs finding, Slocombe Brown Sweeney Lockyer Leadbitter Bola Sercombe O Clarke Partington Bodin Harrison Telford ,Nicholls ,Keeper ,Broadbent ,Gaffney ,Lines ,Moore Play with a stronger defensive line up and guarantee that 0-0 . Then have the options on the bench to go attacking if the need/ occasion arises. goal in the 90th minute every game away from home to secure an uninspiring 1-0 will do me fine. Just have to do it 10 times successfully out of the 23 away games to gain 30 points. Why will playing with 4 FB's makes us stronger defensively, as for virtually 90 mins we're going to have to defend our goal, when keeping clean sheets is an issue with our central defenders away from home. Perhaps Partington in the defensive CM role is an option if Sincs is going to miss a few more away games? Thought it would be apparent. If the problem is balls coming into the box...you stop balls coming into the box. 2 normally fullbacks...who are quite capable of getting forward and crossing when needed....playing as wide midfield means the opposition has two players who can actually tackle facing them. Its not a new concept Rovers have done it in the past. Im not sure why you would think Rovers would have to defend all the time ? Im pretty sure I have seen Brown,Leadbitter and Partington get to the byeline and into the box to shoot/head . Away you need to be hard to break down and then punish the opposition with counter attacks. If circumstances change there are more than enough attacking options on the bench if needed.
Are you suggesting dropping Clarke for Partington or adding Partington to the CM instead of Lines or Sercombe ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 16:29:59 GMT
It is very clear that from the teams/formations selected here that whatever people say DC has not provided us with a stronger team than last season and has in fact now got a very unbalanced squad with no pace or width and no depth in the squad. We have too many players that are rank average. Peterborough and Bradford have both had pace on the flanks and both are teams who have rebuilt from last season.Bradford in particular lost KEY PLAYERS but you wouldn't know it from Saturdays display. I would lay odds that these two teams will go through the season with a set formation and make few changes other than injuries/suspensions. Projects will see us end up anywhere between 10th and 22nd but top 8 teams will be made up of teams with pace,power,width and settled teams formations. Pick your best side and stick to it for as few games barring injuries. Slocombe/Smith Partington Locks Sweeney Bola Bodin Clarke Sercombe Nicholls Gaffney/Harrison Telford On present form Ollie Clarke is not playing well enough to play BUT you can't play with two four attacking midfielders home or away and we are so restricted with who and how we can play. I said earlier in the week that this seasons squad is weeker than last seasons. Im hoping that he can get a few in come January.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 4, 2017 17:46:51 GMT
Why will playing with 4 FB's makes us stronger defensively, as for virtually 90 mins we're going to have to defend our goal, when keeping clean sheets is an issue with our central defenders away from home. Perhaps Partington in the defensive CM role is an option if Sincs is going to miss a few more away games? Thought it would be apparent. If the problem is balls coming into the box...you stop balls coming into the box. 2 normally fullbacks...who are quite capable of getting forward and crossing when needed....playing as wide midfield means the opposition has two players who can actually tackle facing them. Its not a new concept Rovers have done it in the past. Im not sure why you would think Rovers would have to defend all the time ? Im pretty sure I have seen Brown,Leadbitter and Partington get to the byeline and into the box to shoot/head . Away you need to be hard to break down and then punish the opposition with counter attacks. If circumstances change there are more than enough attacking options on the bench if needed.
Are you suggesting dropping Clarke for Partington or adding Partington to the CM instead of Lines or Sercombe ?
Most of our problems on Saturday were from dead ball situations, having 2 extra FB's won't really help in those situations. On Saturday I'd drop OC for Partington as Sercombe & Lines have been OK at the Mem, away from the Mem we may have to sacrifice one of them, although if we win two home games, why change a winning team!
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Post by socrates on Sept 4, 2017 18:16:01 GMT
Two very winnable home games coming up and let's face it there's a good chance of 6 points there and if we do that most will be saying we can get a top six and if we pick up 2 or less then we'll be relegated. Early days Gasheads.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 18:25:46 GMT
Thought it would be apparent. If the problem is balls coming into the box...you stop balls coming into the box. 2 normally fullbacks...who are quite capable of getting forward and crossing when needed....playing as wide midfield means the opposition has two players who can actually tackle facing them. Its not a new concept Rovers have done it in the past. Im not sure why you would think Rovers would have to defend all the time ? Im pretty sure I have seen Brown,Leadbitter and Partington get to the byeline and into the box to shoot/head . Away you need to be hard to break down and then punish the opposition with counter attacks. If circumstances change there are more than enough attacking options on the bench if needed.
Are you suggesting dropping Clarke for Partington or adding Partington to the CM instead of Lines or Sercombe ?
Most of our problems on Saturday were from dead ball situations, having 2 extra FB's won't really help in those situations. On Saturday I'd drop OC for Partington as Sercombe & Lines have been OK at the Mem, away from the Mem we may have to sacrifice one of them, although if we win two home games, why change a winning team! The thing is ,how did the dead ball situations occur ? mostly corners . Which meant either a cross did come in and was cleared or the cross was blocked last ditch. Maybe the odd shot blocked/deflected/saved. Take the defensive duties further up the pitch (with two defensive wide players) and the balls go out for throw ins not corners .Which might have been easier for the team to then defend ? Its all ifs and buts obviously ,but always interesting to look for alternatives don't you think.
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Post by lpgas on Sept 4, 2017 18:30:24 GMT
PLAY 4-4-2. Players are simple folk and they need simple instructions. They all know 4-4-2 and feel comfortable with it. that way we have TWO, yes TWO strikers and the full backs have someone in front of them to help them defend. See? Told you it was simple
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Post by lpgas on Sept 4, 2017 18:42:00 GMT
Slocombe: Partington. Sweeney. Lockyer Bola Sercombe Clarke Bodin Lines Telford Gaffney
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 4, 2017 19:12:40 GMT
Most of our problems on Saturday were from dead ball situations, having 2 extra FB's won't really help in those situations. On Saturday I'd drop OC for Partington as Sercombe & Lines have been OK at the Mem, away from the Mem we may have to sacrifice one of them, although if we win two home games, why change a winning team! The thing is ,how did the dead ball situations occur ? mostly corners . Which meant either a cross did come in and was cleared or the cross was blocked last ditch. Maybe the odd shot blocked/deflected/saved. Take the defensive duties further up the pitch (with two defensive wide players) and the balls go out for throw ins not corners .Which might have been easier for the team to then defend ? Its all ifs and buts obviously ,but always interesting to look for alternatives don't you think.
Yep, but don;t agree with playing 4 FB's PLAY 4-4-2. Players are simple folk and they need simple instructions. They all know 4-4-2 and feel comfortable with it. that way we have TWO, yes TWO strikers and the full backs have someone in front of them to help them defend. See? Told you it was simple Slocombe: Partington. Sweeney. Lockyer Bola Sercombe Clarke Bodin Lines Telford Gaffney LOL you say play 4-4-2 then pick a 4-2-3-1 formation? Finding the elusive LW is DC's problem, hence why he's playing 4-3-3
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Post by bluestone on Sept 4, 2017 20:29:06 GMT
Telford said he doesn't care where he plays a long as he on the pitch, might be worth sticking him on the left wing and see how he does. Bound to be an improvement on Moore IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 21:20:42 GMT
At Bradford on Saturday my mate, who is mainly neutral, asked why Moore was playing. Described him as the worst player on the pitch and a total liability. Given the whole team were poor that really does say a lot about Moore. Why ask your mate,dont you have your own opinion? Like all of our ball players on saturday except bodin but including sercombe and lines, moore seemed to lack belief. On saying that his 1st touch on the ball was better than sercombes and lines who are our playmakers. It seems to me that burn and moore are the scapegoats despite the fact that 8 of the 10 outfield players didnt really play.
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Post by socrates on Sept 4, 2017 21:46:59 GMT
PLAY 4-4-2. Players are simple folk and they need simple instructions. They all know 4-4-2 and feel comfortable with it. that way we have TWO, yes TWO strikers and the full backs have someone in front of them to help them defend. See? Told you it was simple Like I said in another post DC s success has been built on 4-4-2 and when we've tried other formations we've had pretty mixed results. Thing Is he's young and wants to try out different formations and tactics so that's fair enough. The thing with 4-4-2 this year Is we've got two creative midfielders in the squad who both want to play every week where as we didn't have that before. Signing Sercombe has really effected the balance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 21:56:38 GMT
Thought it would be apparent. If the problem is balls coming into the box...you stop balls coming into the box. 2 normally fullbacks...who are quite capable of getting forward and crossing when needed....playing as wide midfield means the opposition has two players who can actually tackle facing them. Its not a new concept Rovers have done it in the past. Im not sure why you would think Rovers would have to defend all the time ? Im pretty sure I have seen Brown,Leadbitter and Partington get to the byeline and into the box to shoot/head . Away you need to be hard to break down and then punish the opposition with counter attacks. If circumstances change there are more than enough attacking options on the bench if needed.
Are you suggesting dropping Clarke for Partington or adding Partington to the CM instead of Lines or Sercombe ?
Most of our problems on Saturday were from dead ball situations, having 2 extra FB's won't really help in those situations. On Saturday I'd drop OC for Partington as Sercombe & Lines have been OK at the Mem, away from the Mem we may have to sacrifice one of them, although if we win two home games, why change a winning team! But partington has played virtually all his games in his career at right-back?? Maybe play ellis at left-back and lee brown as a striker as well? Or maybe something left field like stick with ollie clarke?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 23:06:03 GMT
At Bradford on Saturday my mate, who is mainly neutral, asked why Moore was playing. Described him as the worst player on the pitch and a total liability. Given the whole team were poor that really does say a lot about Moore. Why ask your mate,dont you have your own opinion? Like all of our ball players on saturday except bodin but including sercombe and lines, moore seemed to lack belief. On saying that his 1st touch on the ball was better than sercombes and lines who are our playmakers. It seems to me that burn and moore are the scapegoats despite the fact that 8 of the 10 outfield players didnt really play. err I don't think he did ask his mate, his mate asked him.
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