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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 23:30:18 GMT
Why ask your mate,dont you have your own opinion? Like all of our ball players on saturday except bodin but including sercombe and lines, moore seemed to lack belief. On saying that his 1st touch on the ball was better than sercombes and lines who are our playmakers. It seems to me that burn and moore are the scapegoats despite the fact that 8 of the 10 outfield players didnt really play. err I don't think he did ask his mate, his mate asked him. Oh yeah your right,but the same point applies dont it? My mate says lines is a friggin pansy but i just post my own opinions on here not my **** mates view.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 5, 2017 7:30:50 GMT
Most of our problems on Saturday were from dead ball situations, having 2 extra FB's won't really help in those situations. On Saturday I'd drop OC for Partington as Sercombe & Lines have been OK at the Mem, away from the Mem we may have to sacrifice one of them, although if we win two home games, why change a winning team! But partington has played virtually all his games in his career at right-back??Maybe play ellis at left-back and lee brown as a striker as well? Or maybe something left field like stick with ollie clarke? Why sprout nonsense w/o doing any homework to back up your facts? JP played most of his game in midfield prior to his move to Eastleigh were he played most of his game there as a central defender, when DC signed him he suggested he could play in a couple of roles. Perhaps CM is now too bigger a step for him but there seems no other options if OC is struggling to regain fitness/form and Sincs is out for a few more games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 10:25:09 GMT
But partington has played virtually all his games in his career at right-back??Maybe play ellis at left-back and lee brown as a striker as well? Or maybe something left field like stick with ollie clarke? Why sprout nonsense w/o doing any homework to back up your facts? JP played most of his game in midfield prior to his move to Eastleigh were he played most of his game there as a central defender, when DC signed him he suggested he could play in a couple of roles. Perhaps CM is now too bigger a step for him but there seems no other options if OC is struggling to regain fitness/form and Sincs is out for a few more games. When we signed him it clearly said hes a right-back who can play centre-back and was playing right-back for eastleigh.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 5, 2017 10:34:39 GMT
Why sprout nonsense w/o doing any homework to back up your facts? JP played most of his game in midfield prior to his move to Eastleigh were he played most of his game there as a central defender, when DC signed him he suggested he could play in a couple of roles. Perhaps CM is now too bigger a step for him but there seems no other options if OC is struggling to regain fitness/form and Sincs is out for a few more games. When we signed him it clearly said hes a right-back who can play centre-back and was playing right-back for eastleigh. It doesn't stop him moving back to a defensive CM role if needed, I know it's not ideal but I'm struggling to see who else in the squad could play that role if DC wanted to rest OC, as his he up to playing 7 games in the next 3 weeks if Sincs doesn't recover soon?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 12:18:21 GMT
PLAY 4-4-2. Players are simple folk and they need simple instructions. They all know 4-4-2 and feel comfortable with it. that way we have TWO, yes TWO strikers and the full backs have someone in front of them to help them defend. See? Told you it was simple Like I said in another post DC s success has been built on 4-4-2 and when we've tried other formations we've had pretty mixed results. Thing Is he's young and wants to try out different formations and tactics so that's fair enough. The thing with 4-4-2 this year Is we've got two creative midfielders in the squad who both want to play every week where as we didn't have that before. Signing Sercombe has really effected the balance. Comments made by various sources in the past have often mentioned that D.C. likes to play with 2 strikers and that was seen in todays game as unusual or a brave move. When the team starts with Bodin,Harrison and Nicholls in a 4-3-3 he is taking that a step further to 3 strikers. Im sure he is not going for the Kevin Keegan tactic of you may score goals against us but we will score more ,entertaining as that was.
Maybe the issue is the "Bodin" problem. Too good and scores too many goals, but doesn't do as well as an out and out striker. However out wide he doesn't offer much defensive cover for Leadbitter. Too good to drop but how to fit him in. 4-4-2 means the 2 central midfielders get stretched more. How did Southampton incorporate Le Tissier into their team ? or maybe Hoddle into the Spurs team ? There might lie the answer to the Bodin issue. Which is why Rovers play with 3 in midfield.
EDIT: www.talkfootball.co.uk/guides/football_formations.html
Shows various formations and examples of teams who have used them successfully.
I noticed the diamond formation could fit , O Clarke as the defensive midfield with Sercombe and Lines/Sinclair filling the wider roles and Bodin the attacking part of the diamond. With two strikers in front.
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Post by lpgas on Sept 5, 2017 13:06:30 GMT
Or Slocombe Partington Sweeney Lockyer Bola Moore Sercombe Clarke Bodin Gaffney Telford Less is Moore. More is less. Ad ?Reinhart 1960
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Post by miltongas on Sept 5, 2017 14:31:23 GMT
At Bradford on Saturday my mate, who is mainly neutral, asked why Moore was playing. Described him as the worst player on the pitch and a total liability. Given the whole team were poor that really does say a lot about Moore. Why ask your mate,dont you have your own opinion? Like all of our ball players on saturday except bodin but including sercombe and lines, moore seemed to lack belief. On saying that his 1st touch on the ball was better than sercombes and lines who are our playmakers. It seems to me that burn and moore are the scapegoats despite the fact that 8 of the 10 outfield players didnt really play. If you read it properly you'd see it said 'my mate asked' which implies he asked me. I answered him at the time but thought his observations were relevant about the team. And as a neutral it was interesting that he saw Moore as the worst of a bad bunch on Saturday
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 5, 2017 15:32:06 GMT
Like I said in another post DC s success has been built on 4-4-2 and when we've tried other formations we've had pretty mixed results. Thing Is he's young and wants to try out different formations and tactics so that's fair enough. The thing with 4-4-2 this year Is we've got two creative midfielders in the squad who both want to play every week where as we didn't have that before. Signing Sercombe has really effected the balance. Comments made by various sources in the past have often mentioned that D.C. likes to play with 2 strikers and that was seen in todays game as unusual or a brave move. When the team starts with Bodin,Harrison and Nicholls in a 4-3-3 he is taking that a step further to 3 strikers. Im sure he is not going for the Kevin Keegan tactic of you may score goals against us but we will score more ,entertaining as that was.
Maybe the issue is the "Bodin" problem. Too good and scores too many goals, but doesn't do as well as an out and out striker. However out wide he doesn't offer much defensive cover for Leadbitter. Too good to drop but how to fit him in. 4-4-2 means the 2 central midfielders get stretched more. How did Southampton incorporate Le Tissier into their team ? or maybe Hoddle into the Spurs team ? There might lie the answer to the Bodin issue. Which is why Rovers play with 3 in midfield.
EDIT: www.talkfootball.co.uk/guides/football_formations.html
Shows various formations and examples of teams who have used them successfully.
I noticed the diamond formation could fit , O Clarke as the defensive midfield with Sercombe and Lines/Sinclair filling the wider roles and Bodin the attacking part of the diamond. With two strikers in front.
Problem is Bodin favours the right wing side of the pitch rather than the head of a diamond/central role, it seems 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 suits Bodin best but that relies upon a decent defensive CM which we seem to be lacking, plus the opposite left side position has to be be filled by Moore or Nichols?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 15:39:19 GMT
Comments made by various sources in the past have often mentioned that D.C. likes to play with 2 strikers and that was seen in todays game as unusual or a brave move. When the team starts with Bodin,Harrison and Nicholls in a 4-3-3 he is taking that a step further to 3 strikers. Im sure he is not going for the Kevin Keegan tactic of you may score goals against us but we will score more ,entertaining as that was.
Maybe the issue is the "Bodin" problem. Too good and scores too many goals, but doesn't do as well as an out and out striker. However out wide he doesn't offer much defensive cover for Leadbitter. Too good to drop but how to fit him in. 4-4-2 means the 2 central midfielders get stretched more. How did Southampton incorporate Le Tissier into their team ? or maybe Hoddle into the Spurs team ? There might lie the answer to the Bodin issue. Which is why Rovers play with 3 in midfield.
EDIT: www.talkfootball.co.uk/guides/football_formations.html
Shows various formations and examples of teams who have used them successfully.
I noticed the diamond formation could fit , O Clarke as the defensive midfield with Sercombe and Lines/Sinclair filling the wider roles and Bodin the attacking part of the diamond. With two strikers in front.
Problem is Bodin favours the right wing side of the pitch rather than the head of a diamond/central role, it seems 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 suits Bodin best but that relies upon a decent defensive CM which we seem to be lacking, plus the opposite left side position has to be be filled by Moore or Nichols? True he does. I was seeing the central two Sercombe/lines covering the left and right and the on paper forward midfield position of the diamond filled by Bodin as being more of a free role across the midfield/striker gap...if that makes sense ? The key though is having two central strikers rather than just the one which the 4-3-3 system provides. All getting a bit complicated now...think I will just leave it to D.C. haha
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 6, 2017 8:02:30 GMT
In truth whichever formation you employ you can't afford players not to mark and full backs to forego their defensive duties to charge forward when we are under the cosh. Too many players were very poor on Saturday-the back four were all poor and Ollie Clarke,Lines and Sercombe hardly did much to help them. If we want to have a top six side we will need to release a lot of the players we have and replace them with fewer but better quality. I see the development team had the same problem with crosses which has to question the way they are trained. For me we have three inexperienced centre halves and could do with one good one or maybe keep Broadbent and bring in one more.The same is probably true about our full backs where iut i8s questionable if any are good enough for a top six side in this division though Partington and Bola maybe.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 6, 2017 8:29:31 GMT
In truth whichever formation you employ you can't afford players not to mark and full backs to forego their defensive duties to charge forward when we are under the cosh. Too many players were very poor on Saturday-the back four were all poor and Ollie Clarke,Lines and Sercombe hardly did much to help them. If we want to have a top six side we will need to release a lot of the players we have and replace them with fewer but better quality. I see the development team had the same problem with crosses which has to question the way they are trained. For me we have three inexperienced centre halves and could do with one good one or maybe keep Broadbent and bring in one more.The same is probably true about our full backs where iut i8s questionable if any are good enough for a top six side in this division though Partington and Bola maybe. We've scored 18 goals so far this season of which 17 have been assisted by our players. 11 of those are from the boot of either Brown or Partington. In the league alone they have assisted a combined 5 of 8 our goals. If we take Brown and Partington out of that side heaven knows where the goals will come from. We'd certainly need to change our tactics/formation. You seem determined to rip up our squad and start again. This is a massive overreaction in my opinion. It is a shame that we missed out on a defensive midfielder but apart from this I'm reasonably happy with what we have. We haven't covered all bases but I think it's extremely hard to do so in a league such as ours. I believe we will see more of Nichols and Telford in the coming weeks and less of Moore. The return of 3/4 of our first choice back 4 for the Walsall game is obviously going to help! At Bradford, we were well and truly screwed over by the international break and it's unrealistic to expect a league 1 club to allow for and budget for this, in my opinion. Even if we had been full strength, Bradford is a very hard place to get anything from, as a record of just 5 home losses in the last 2 and a bit seasons indicates.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 6, 2017 10:20:55 GMT
In truth whichever formation you employ you can't afford players not to mark and full backs to forego their defensive duties to charge forward when we are under the cosh. Too many players were very poor on Saturday-the back four were all poor and Ollie Clarke,Lines and Sercombe hardly did much to help them. If we want to have a top six side we will need to release a lot of the players we have and replace them with fewer but better quality.I see the development team had the same problem with crosses which has to question the way they are trained. For me we have three inexperienced centre halves and could do with one good one or maybe keep Broadbent and bring in one more.The same is probably true about our full backs where iut i8s questionable if any are good enough for a top six side in this division though Partington and Bola maybe. Not sure if your a manic depressive or a just WUM but wasn't the sentence I've underlined just what DC did this summer, when he released the likes of Gosling, Mansell. McM, Lucas etc, etc and brought in the two goalies, Sercombe, Sweeney & Nichols? With Locks & Sweeney in the side we had just won 4 on the bounce so we can hardly say they are not experienced enough because we lost w/o them on Saturday!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 12:19:09 GMT
In truth whichever formation you employ you can't afford players not to mark and full backs to forego their defensive duties to charge forward when we are under the cosh. Too many players were very poor on Saturday-the back four were all poor and Ollie Clarke,Lines and Sercombe hardly did much to help them. If we want to have a top six side we will need to release a lot of the players we have and replace them with fewer but better quality. I see the development team had the same problem with crosses which has to question the way they are trained. For me we have three inexperienced centre halves and could do with one good one or maybe keep Broadbent and bring in one more.The same is probably true about our full backs where iut i8s questionable if any are good enough for a top six side in this division though Partington and Bola maybe. There are arguably, at least three players in this squad that are not up to this level of football - even as occasional replacements. I think most of us agree the club fell short in the "window" on signing three (quality) players that would have made us genuine top 6 candidates, IMO as things stand we will do well to finish in the top 10. This is a thin squad with no real quality in depth which will be found out over the whole season if it stays as it is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 13:07:17 GMT
In truth whichever formation you employ you can't afford players not to mark and full backs to forego their defensive duties to charge forward when we are under the cosh. Too many players were very poor on Saturday-the back four were all poor and Ollie Clarke,Lines and Sercombe hardly did much to help them. If we want to have a top six side we will need to release a lot of the players we have and replace them with fewer but better quality. I see the development team had the same problem with crosses which has to question the way they are trained. For me we have three inexperienced centre halves and could do with one good one or maybe keep Broadbent and bring in one more.The same is probably true about our full backs where iut i8s questionable if any are good enough for a top six side in this division though Partington and Bola maybe. There are arguably, at least three players in this squad that are not up to this level of football - even as occasional replacements. I think most of us agree the club fell short in the "window" on signing three (quality) players that would have made us genuine top 6 candidates, IMO as things stand we will do well to finish in the top 10. This is a thin squad with no real quality in depth which will be found out over the whole season if it stays as it is.
Personally I think the club will be happy to just do enough to stay in this league for the foreseeable.
Imagine getting promoted and having to actually spend some serious money! (well, serious money for this club)!?
We didn't do enough last Jan to have a go at promotion, we haven't done enough this summer to put ourselves in a good position for promotion, and can safely predict we wont be very active next Jan either. Not a sign of a club with any real on-the-pitch ambitions.
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Post by socrates on Sept 6, 2017 13:43:08 GMT
In truth whichever formation you employ you can't afford players not to mark and full backs to forego their defensive duties to charge forward when we are under the cosh. Too many players were very poor on Saturday-the back four were all poor and Ollie Clarke,Lines and Sercombe hardly did much to help them. If we want to have a top six side we will need to release a lot of the players we have and replace them with fewer but better quality. I see the development team had the same problem with crosses which has to question the way they are trained. For me we have three inexperienced centre halves and could do with one good one or maybe keep Broadbent and bring in one more.The same is probably true about our full backs where iut i8s questionable if any are good enough for a top six side in this division though Partington and Bola maybe. There are arguably, at least three players in this squad that are not up to this level of football - even as occasional replacements. I think most of us agree the club fell short in the "window" on signing three (quality) players that would have made us genuine top 6 candidates, IMO as things stand we will do well to finish in the top 10. This is a thin squad with no real quality in depth which will be found out over the whole season if it stays as it is. I disagree I think we have got depth we've got a big squad and all but one or two are up to league 1 football. I do agree that if wed signed 3 more quality signings we'd be pushing even more for top six but then the same could be said about every squad in this division. I think we'll win both our upcoming home games and that will put us nicely up in the top half and many on here who are saying we're not good enough now will be talking about promotion. We'll see.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 6, 2017 15:08:48 GMT
In truth whichever formation you employ you can't afford players not to mark and full backs to forego their defensive duties to charge forward when we are under the cosh. Too many players were very poor on Saturday-the back four were all poor and Ollie Clarke,Lines and Sercombe hardly did much to help them. If we want to have a top six side we will need to release a lot of the players we have and replace them with fewer but better quality. I see the development team had the same problem with crosses which has to question the way they are trained. For me we have three inexperienced centre halves and could do with one good one or maybe keep Broadbent and bring in one more.The same is probably true about our full backs where iut i8s questionable if any are good enough for a top six side in this division though Partington and Bola maybe. There are arguably, at least three players in this squad that are not up to this level of f ootball - even as occasional replacements. I think most of us agree the club fell short in the "window" on signing three (quality) players that would have made us genuine top 6 candidates, IMO as things stand we will do well to finish in the top 10. T his is a thin squad with no real quality in depth which will be found out over the whole season if it stays as it is. This squad is far superior to last seasons and that nearly finished in the top 6, given we've now got two permanent goalies, Sercombe & Nichols and not really lost any 1st 11 players post January bar Lumley. Plus Bola, Broadbent & Telford look reasonable signings, the only player we're really lacking is a replacement for Monty.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 15:12:59 GMT
There are arguably, at least three players in this squad that are not up to this level of f ootball - even as occasional replacements. I think most of us agree the club fell short in the "window" on signing three (quality) players that would have made us genuine top 6 candidates, IMO as things stand we will do well to finish in the top 10. T his is a thin squad with no real quality in depth which will be found out over the whole season if it stays as it is. This squad is far superior to last seasons and that nearly finished in the top 6, given we've now got two permanent goalies, Sercombe & Nichols and not really lost any 1st 11 players post January bar Lumley. Plus Bola, Broadbent & Telford look reasonable signings, the only player we're really lacking is a replacement for Monty.
I think having Taylor last season made it much more of a threat than the current team.
Saying this seasons squad is far superior is ludicrous. Apart from the Taylor loss the squad is about the same, trouble is that other clubs have improved significantly meaning we would be hard pushed to replicate last seasons final position at best.
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Post by socrates on Sept 6, 2017 15:36:48 GMT
There are arguably, at least three players in this squad that are not up to this level of f ootball - even as occasional replacements. I think most of us agree the club fell short in the "window" on signing three (quality) players that would have made us genuine top 6 candidates, IMO as things stand we will do well to finish in the top 10. T his is a thin squad with no real quality in depth which will be found out over the whole season if it stays as it is. This squad is far superior to last seasons and that nearly finished in the top 6, given we've now got two permanent goalies, Sercombe & Nichols and not really lost any 1st 11 players post January bar Lumley. Plus Bola, Broadbent & Telford look reasonable signings, the only player we're really lacking is a replacement for Monty. Exactly how I see it. I think the problems this season have been trying to find the right system with lines and Sercombe in the same starting 11. Sercombe looks great but it's caused a formation headache as DC doesn't seem to want to drop lines. We can steamroll poorer sides but against good sides the defence haven't got enough protection from central midfield. It hasn't helped of course that our two defensive minded midfielders have struggled with injury I think we'll see the best of us again when ollys fitness and form is back and Sinclair too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 15:56:59 GMT
There are arguably, at least three players in this squad that are not up to this level of f ootball - even as occasional replacements. I think most of us agree the club fell short in the "window" on signing three (quality) players that would have made us genuine top 6 candidates, IMO as things stand we will do well to finish in the top 10. T his is a thin squad with no real quality in depth which will be found out over the whole season if it stays as it is. This squad is far superior to last seasons and that nearly finished in the top 6, given we've now got two permanent goalies, Sercombe & Nichols and not really lost any 1st 11 players post January bar Lumley. Plus Bola, Broadbent & Telford look reasonable signings, the only player we're really lacking is a replacement for Monty. Far superior - really!! In that case a comfortable top six finish then. You've certainly changed your tune again from just a few weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 16:21:56 GMT
There are arguably, at least three players in this squad that are not up to this level of football - even as occasional replacements. I think most of us agree the club fell short in the "window" on signing three (quality) players that would have made us genuine top 6 candidates, IMO as things stand we will do well to finish in the top 10. This is a thin squad with no real quality in depth which will be found out over the whole season if it stays as it is. I disagree I think we have got depth we've got a big squad and all but one or two are up to league 1 football. I do agree that if wed signed 3 more quality signings we'd be pushing even more for top six but then the same could be said about every squad in this division. I think we'll win both our upcoming home games and that will put us nicely up in the top half and many on here who are saying we're not good enough now will be talking about promotion. We'll see. If we compare like for like at this time last season - without thinking too hard we've lost - Taylor, Easter, Montano, Mansell, Mildenhall, Hartley, McCrystal and 4 young Premiership loanees & a goalkeeper from Derby. The only position/player that is probably stronger now, compared to that particular time is midfield (Sercombe) and probably the goalkeeper. The squad is smaller than this time last year. Edit: of course I'll give you Sweeney over Hartley/McC/JCS
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