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Post by Baxtinho on Sept 10, 2017 14:08:52 GMT
If Lumley is an option then we should definitely try to sign him on a short term loan. He isn't an option. DC told us so at the sponsors hour at the open day. Said he asked the question but QPR were waiting until August, we then had the opportunity to sign the two we did get.
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Post by Big Jock on Sept 10, 2017 14:12:11 GMT
I find it strange that folk keep saying they don't think he's ready.
Not expecting to play yesterday, he made his debut in extremely difficult circumstances when we went down to ten and were up against it. He came through with flying colours and kept a clean sheet.
No brainer for me - Play the lad, his confidence is up and the lads are all behind him (well actually their in front of him but yous know what i mean)
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Post by mftc on Sept 10, 2017 14:18:10 GMT
It has to be Mildy for me. On Sat the boys were up for it after the sending off. Andre did well but more importantly Walsall didn't do the right things. They wasted a few good positioned free kicks, at least two corners were absolutely terrible and they didn't shoot on sight.
If I was a coach at Oldham and saw a Andre in goal and another youngster on the bench, I would expect my centre half or centre forward to plough into him at the first corner and then send over up and unders and shoot from 30 yards.
Mildy may not be match fit but he hasn't had the best of agility or reactions for a few years. What he does have is positional sense and he can use his experience to tell defenders where to be. This would probably save us a few free headers from corners alone. I would spend Mon and Tues morning working on his reflexes.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 10, 2017 14:29:13 GMT
Tuesday is too important. We could be throwing a vital 3 points down the drain by playing a rookie keeper that isn't ready for first team action. It also could seriously effect his confidence and develoment if a free scoring Oldham side knock 4 past him on his full debut, and that could easily happen. If Lumley is an option then we should definitely try to sign him on a short term loan. He already knows the defence so could slot straight in with no worries. Tuesday is important but he must be ready for first team action if DC has him on the bench and he played 30 minutes yesterday. I thought he was ok and everyone has to make their debut and have a first game. I'd rather the CHs learn to mark at corners, that seems to be more of a problem. And although you should never be complacent or underestimate the opposition the idea of a free scoring Oldham made me smile. I don't think anyone considers that to be the case. We are at home, I hope we will see an attacking performance. If you were to choose a match for a young keeper to make his debut against then I doubt if playing a club at the bottom at home would be far away from being a good choice. Give the lad a chance, play him and that should concentrate the minds of the defence as well and bring out the best in them. By the way, I'm aware this could come back to bite me but hey, talk him up, give him confidence and not look for reasons to not play him. And what a message playing him will give to the development squad. UTG!
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Post by stevethepirate on Sept 10, 2017 15:18:24 GMT
personally, I think Andre should be given the chance. Joe Hart started at Shrewsbury at the same age and it did not hurt him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 15:19:17 GMT
The difference between Saturday and Tuesday is we didn't really have a choice on the day but to sacrifice a outfield player for a reserve keeper what other options did we have stick the biggest player on the field which is Sweeney between the sticks leaving us more exposed at the back DC made a good call Saturday. We have more options to choose from and get in play before kick off on Tuesday ideally we want to field the strongest side possible if means playing Mildy or signing a loan keeper then so be it im sure DC knows what he's doing.
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Post by bluestone on Sept 10, 2017 15:59:28 GMT
personally, I think Andre should be given the chance. Joe Hart started at Shrewsbury at the same age and it did not hurt him. Yeah, I feel the same way. If DC didn't think he was good enough then surely he wouldn't have even been on the bench, DC could have put Mildly there. Andre showed remarkable composure and maturity IMO to handle that pressure in the circumstance. He looked sharp, responsive and in control. Yes I know he's a rookie but I feel he has earned the right to play Tuesday. I doubt Slocombe will be banned for more than 1 game anyway. Also think how much good the match experience will do for his development, this could be the making of him. He doesn't have much experience but I doubt he would be worse than Roos who was in between the sticks for us for quite a bit of the season last year.
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Post by markczgas on Sept 10, 2017 16:01:24 GMT
How long is Smith our for ? Has he got a broken hand ??
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Post by knowall on Sept 10, 2017 16:07:35 GMT
No one seems to be taking account of this lad's pedigree and experience so far - he was ready and able on Saturday - and proved it - so play him - a premiership Club would
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 10, 2017 16:08:33 GMT
In some ways it is a bigger worry as to who will play in the midfield thanks to DC leaving us so short on midfielders and wide men. Last season we were playing 2 in the central midfield with the choice of Mansell, Sinclair, Colkett, Boetang, Lines and Ollie Clarke with the added bonus of Easter being able to drop back as well and also we had 4 going for the wide berths in Bodin, Montano, Moore and Broom. that's 11 players going for the 4 positions with only Broom being inexperienced. This season we are playing three as midfielders with only Lines, Sercombe, Ollie Clarke and Sinclair in contention and Lines and Sinclair probably unavailable on Tuesday. If we decide to play two wide men then really we only have Moore and Bodin with experience.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 10, 2017 16:19:51 GMT
In some ways it is a bigger worry as to who will play in the midfield thanks to DC leaving us so short on midfielders and wide men. Last season we were playing 2 in the central midfield with the choice of Mansell, Sinclair, Colkett, Boetang, Lines and Ollie Clarke with the added bonus of Easter being able to drop back as well and also we had 4 going for the wide berths in Bodin, Montano, Moore and Broom. that's 11 players going for the 4 positions with only Broom being inexperienced. This season we are playing three as midfielders with only Lines, Sercombe, Ollie Clarke and Sinclair in contention and Lines and Sinclair probably unavailable on Tuesday. If we decide to play two wide men then really we only have Moore and Bodin with experience. I know that bloody DC. First of all he becomes the first Rovers manager to win back to back promotions and our highest points tally in many years in league one and now this. How dare he.
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Post by pirate on Sept 10, 2017 16:36:11 GMT
No one seems to be taking account of this lad's pedigree and experience so far - he was ready and able on Saturday - and proved it - so play him - a premiership Club would Pedigree and experience so far? You mean for 6th tier German side Kehler FV 07, where as far as I'm aware he didn't make a first team appearance and one season for the Nike Academy, where they often got spanked. A Premiership club wouldn't play a player if they weren't ready, although I'm not necessarily saying that is the case with Andre. He may be a good prospect for the future, but to throw him in to the deep end is a risk. DC sees him day in day out in training and will know whether he is ready or not, so if he goes with the lad then fair enough, we'll have to trust his judgement.
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Post by madgas on Sept 10, 2017 16:53:34 GMT
No one seems to be taking account of this lad's pedigree and experience so far - he was ready and able on Saturday - and proved it - so play him - a premiership Club would Pedigree and experience so far? You mean for 6th tier German side Kehler FV 07, where as far as I'm aware he didn't make a first team appearance and one season for the Nike Academy, where they often got spanked. A Premiership club wouldn't play a player if they weren't ready, although I'm not necessarily saying that is the case with Andre. He may be a good prospect for the future, but to throw him in to the deep end is a risk. DC sees him day in day out in training and will know whether he is ready or not, so if he goes with the lad then fair enough, we'll have to trust his judgement. I tend to agree with you pirate. However, you have spent the summer highlighting players from the depths of unknown clubs across Europe. Not surer how Andre is too different?
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Post by pirate on Sept 10, 2017 17:43:59 GMT
Pedigree and experience so far? You mean for 6th tier German side Kehler FV 07, where as far as I'm aware he didn't make a first team appearance and one season for the Nike Academy, where they often got spanked. A Premiership club wouldn't play a player if they weren't ready, although I'm not necessarily saying that is the case with Andre. He may be a good prospect for the future, but to throw him in to the deep end is a risk. DC sees him day in day out in training and will know whether he is ready or not, so if he goes with the lad then fair enough, we'll have to trust his judgement. I tend to agree with you pirate. However, you have spent the summer highlighting players from the depths of unknown clubs across Europe. Not surer how Andre is too different? The difference is most, if not all, of the ones I've highlighted have youth international experience and numerous 1st team games under their belt, some well over 100 appearances.
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Post by singupgas on Sept 10, 2017 18:08:27 GMT
Andre for me, he is our keeper and for me it doesn't show much faith if he can't be trusted in Goal for 3 games.
Getting a loan in doesn't always work out either.
I'd like to think our defenders can cope with Oldham, like to see us win by bit or a margin.
Best of luck to Andre for me.
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Post by pirate on Sept 10, 2017 18:29:14 GMT
I'd like to think our defenders can cope with Oldham, like to see us win by bit or a margin. They scored 2 against Fleetwood and 3 against Charlton recently, one of the goals against Charlton was with 10 men. If people think it'll be a walkover because they are bottom of league they could be in for a shock. Oldham are improving and with the recent new signings shouldn't be underestimated. Hopefully we don't give them many opportunities on the edge of the box too, judging by yesterday...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 18:50:40 GMT
You can loan a goalkeeper at anytime during the season as long as you do not have a fit goalkeeper at the club with more than five senior appearances to his name. As Andre has only made one substitute appearance, if Smith is still not fit we would be able to bring in a loan keeper.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 18:54:25 GMT
Anyone notice that Sercs was hobbling a little bit after a challenge hoping it was just dead leg if he's out injured as well that will cause no end of a nightmare for DC
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Post by Dr Gas on Sept 10, 2017 19:18:45 GMT
Tuesday is too important. We could be throwing a vital 3 points down the drain by playing a rookie keeper that isn't ready for first team action. It also could seriously effect his confidence and develoment if a free scoring Oldham side knock 4 past him on his full debut, and that could easily happen. If Lumley is an option then we should definitely try to sign him on a short term loan. He already knows the defence so could slot straight in with no worries. Tuesday is important but he must be ready for first team action if DC has him on the bench and he played 30 minutes yesterday. I thought he was ok and everyone has to make their debut and have a first game. I'd rather the CHs learn to mark at corners, that seems to be more of a problem. And although you should never be complacent or underestimate the opposition the idea of a free scoring Oldham made me smile. I don't think anyone considers that to be the case. We are at home, I hope we will see an attacking performance. If you were to choose a match for a young keeper to make his debut against then I doubt if playing a club at the bottom at home would be far away from being a good choice. Give the lad a chance, play him and that should concentrate the minds of the defence as well and bring out the best in them. By the way, I'm aware this could come back to bite me but hey, talk him up, give him confidence and not look for reasons to not play him. And what a message playing him will give to the development squad. UTG! Good point, I think: We have had young goalkeepers in the past who have not been trusted or thought capable of being named on the bench. Indeed, we have played without a goalkeeper as substitute at times. I think the fact that he was picked and had to be called upon, proves that DC has some faith in him. You also make a good point regarding the quality of the team we are facing: If we are to get promotion, we need to impress ourselves on the opposition. If we do that, then our goalkeeper(s) should not be looked upon as being a main factor.
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Post by Dr Gas on Sept 10, 2017 19:25:24 GMT
You can loan a goalkeeper at anytime during the season as long as you do not have a fit goalkeeper at the club with more than five senior appearances to his name. As Andre has only made one substitute appearance, if Smith is still not fit we would be able to bring in a loan keeper. Thanks for the clarification.
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