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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 13, 2017 11:37:12 GMT
A brave post - I can't argue with it. The honeymoon is long over DC it's all down to you to put it right. A bit of stability in team selection wouldn't go amiss. Only a few really know why the team wasn't strengthened where it should have been - there was plenty of time to do it - this isn't a hindsight statement. How much have we actually spent on getting players in since the end of January - I'd guess around £500k top. Take the £300k from the Taylor transfer and another circa £300k from the Chelsea match and we're still in credit - IMO I feel the supporters have been sold short in all honesty. The team is arguably weak in depth in all areas - back, middle and front. "Sold short" is how I see it too. Let's be honest, the "evolution not revolution" guff was so the owners didn't have to invest the required amount in the team. We have come a long way in a short amount of time, fair play to DC and the players, but the manager can't keep over achieving and performing miracles. As DC said himself, if you want the better players you have to pay. It's now up to the owners to put their hand in their pockets and back the manager with money for a higher calibre of player - it's needed if we want to progress. But would such player want to play in a crap stadium and port a cabin training facilities when they could go to the likes of Shrewsbury Town with their new but basic stadium and training ground
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 13, 2017 12:04:16 GMT
"Sold short" is how I see it too. Let's be honest, the "evolution not revolution" guff was so the owners didn't have to invest the required amount in the team. We have come a long way in a short amount of time, fair play to DC and the players, but the manager can't keep over achieving and performing miracles. As DC said himself, if you want the better players you have to pay. It's now up to the owners to put their hand in their pockets and back the manager with money for a higher calibre of player - it's needed if we want to progress. But would such player want to play in a crap stadium and port a cabin training facilities when they could go to the likes of Shrewsbury Town with their new but basic stadium and training ground If we pay them they will come.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 12:12:17 GMT
But would such player want to play in a crap stadium and port a cabin training facilities when they could go to the likes of Shrewsbury Town with their new but basic stadium and training ground If we pay them they will come. Spot on Hugo, starting to think it's all smoke and mirrors!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 12:16:16 GMT
"Sold short" is how I see it too. Let's be honest, the "evolution not revolution" guff was so the owners didn't have to invest the required amount in the team. We have come a long way in a short amount of time, fair play to DC and the players, but the manager can't keep over achieving and performing miracles. As DC said himself, if you want the better players you have to pay. It's now up to the owners to put their hand in their pockets and back the manager with money for a higher calibre of player - it's needed if we want to progress. But would such player want to play in a crap stadium and port a cabin training facilities when they could go to the likes of Shrewsbury Town with their new but basic stadium and training ground Perhaps Shrewsbury is the model we should be looking at and we forget the delusions of grandeur that abound.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 13, 2017 12:17:31 GMT
It's easy to blame the owners but I doubt they tell DC to constantly tinker/treat each game as a project/seemingly not know his strongest line up/formation, why can't DC just send out his strongest starting 11/formation for a few consecutive games? As far as Sercombe he reminds me for the Latvian great vision etc but useless when it comes down to getting stuck in, perhaps that's why Oxford had him playing in a wide role? The goalie signings have always been an odd ones as why sign to mid table goalies, why not one a top 6 goalie and a younger/cheaper goalie as back up as now we have two goalies who are inferior to Lumley. One can't stop a shot/the other rooted to his line at corners etc.
It's now a big week coming up for DC, one where if he's not careful he could go into the Blackpool game, who've only lost once this season, on the back of 3 defeats which is then followed by Pompey away! A guess Wael's honeymoon period is now well and truly over!!
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 13, 2017 12:19:37 GMT
But would such player want to play in a crap stadium and port a cabin training facilities when they could go to the likes of Shrewsbury Town with their new but basic stadium and training ground Perhaps Shrewsbury is the model we should be looking at and we forget the delusions of grandeur that abound. But they were fighting relegation all last season? Although they sold Gay Meadow for an out of town site, the opposite Wael wants us to do!
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Post by pirate on Sept 13, 2017 12:39:36 GMT
"Sold short" is how I see it too. Let's be honest, the "evolution not revolution" guff was so the owners didn't have to invest the required amount in the team. We have come a long way in a short amount of time, fair play to DC and the players, but the manager can't keep over achieving and performing miracles. As DC said himself, if you want the better players you have to pay. It's now up to the owners to put their hand in their pockets and back the manager with money for a higher calibre of player - it's needed if we want to progress. But would such player want to play in a crap stadium and port a cabin training facilities when they could go to the likes of Shrewsbury Town with their new but basic stadium and training ground As Hugo said, pay them and they will come. Or as DC said: "Players will go where the money goes. If a player gets offered £500 a week extra somewhere else, he's going somewhere else." "You can't stand still when it comes to recruitment and as always in recruiting players - money talks. If you want the best players to play you've got to pay."
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 13, 2017 14:45:31 GMT
Jeez! If this is what it's like when we're sitting 12th in the table I dread to think what will be written on here when we're really struggling!
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Post by singupgas on Sept 13, 2017 15:04:22 GMT
Jeez! If this is what it's like when we're sitting 12th in the table I dread to think what will be written on here when we're really struggling! I think that is what people dont want hence why there is bit of a reaction now, rather than when it is really staring us in the face.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 15:09:20 GMT
"Sold short" is how I see it too. Let's be honest, the "evolution not revolution" guff was so the owners didn't have to invest the required amount in the team. We have come a long way in a short amount of time, fair play to DC and the players, but the manager can't keep over achieving and performing miracles. As DC said himself, if you want the better players you have to pay. It's now up to the owners to put their hand in their pockets and back the manager with money for a higher calibre of player - it's needed if we want to progress. But would such player want to play in a crap stadium and port a cabin training facilities when they could go to the likes of Shrewsbury Town with their new but basic stadium and training ground Depends what the wages are and where your home base is I guess.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 13, 2017 15:31:07 GMT
Jeez! If this is what it's like when we're sitting 12th in the table I dread to think what will be written on here when we're really struggling! We let 3 goals in to a the bottom of the table team who'd scored 7 all season, plus we now have 3 tough looking games up next and so it'll take a minor miracle for us to be still 12th after those games. Keep burying your head in the sand if it makes you feel better.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 13, 2017 15:35:31 GMT
Jeez! If this is what it's like when we're sitting 12th in the table I dread to think what will be written on here when we're really struggling! I think that is what people dont want hence why there is bit of a reaction now, rather than when it is really staring us in the face. Obviously none of us want that, but it's no wonder that professionals cringe at the overreactions and the ridiculously short-sighted opinions aired on forums. There is an obvious reason why we were leggy as a team last night and consequently underperformed. Yet, the goals conceded were stil down to frustrating individual errors and bad goalkeeping from an unfit keeper. Margins are always so small between victory and defeat. Just look at Saturday, when Walsall will be kicking themselves they didn't win. I know we have defensive issues, but I am confident they will be addressed. They have been addressed through a change in the shape of the team in previous years and this will probably happen again now. The biggest concern I have is that Nichols isn't scoring at the moment. He's meant to be our main goal threat. Obviously he deserves more time and patience as he is new to the club, but when you have your main goalscorer banging them in it doesn't half make it easier to get results. We will bounce back. I have no doubt.
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Sept 13, 2017 15:53:55 GMT
Pucklegas. This forum is about opinions. Your constructive comments are welcome. My summation is how I see it. State yours Personally, I think my issue with what you posted is how extreme the views are and then how some posters will then take them literally. For example, calling Moore a 'joke'. Now, I also don't rate him but surely you can make a more cogent argument than that. Also the phrase 'not a footballer' This is a forum problem in general as the result seems to derail any balanced discussion. If we win, people are called moaners for criticising and if we lose, its all blind faith and 'rose-tinters' for mentioning positives. We also don't draw that often under DC. Thought the OP of this thread had a good analysis of the situation though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 16:51:11 GMT
And to think how Sincs gets slagged off. He is the one we are missing. Someone who gets in their faces and doesn't give them a minutes peace. Leadbitter is a joke. Not even a footballer. Brown past his sell by date. Clarke not even fit. Lines can't tackle, shoot or head a ball. Otherwise brilliant. Bodin invisible for the last three games. Smith limping after 10 minutes, never mind his damaged hand. Moore. Just a joke surely Sweeney not at the races yet. Ellis back to useless normality after a purple period. Why was Partington not playing? Why was Bola not selected after a great game at Fulham? Why is he here if he can't get in the team? Why did it take so long to bring on Telford ? Why is Nicholls allowed to play a lone role when the big guy he needs to play off spends most of his/their time out wide? Why did we not get a big strong striker in who can give us a chance to head a ball in the opposition area? All our corners and free kicks are just another means of giving the ball away. We can't win headers. We haven't had a centre forward since Lambert. But yet again we made no attempt to sign one. We have no pace up front. There is no structure to the team, in fact they don't even know one another as the constant chopping and changing evidences. Over to you DC. Even the gloves aren't funny any more. The only person not criticised in his match summary last night was himself. Perhaps he ought to look closer to home, and change projects. Let me guess, if Higgs was still in charge, we'd have won that game 5-0??? What position did Higgs play or what part did he play in training tactics or selection
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 17:01:08 GMT
I think that is what people dont want hence why there is bit of a reaction now, rather than when it is really staring us in the face. Obviously none of us want that, but it's no wonder that professionals cringe at the overreactions and the ridiculously short-sighted opinions aired on forums. There is an obvious reason why we were leggy as a team last night and consequently underperformed. Yet, the goals conceded were stil down to frustrating individual errors and bad goalkeeping from an unfit keeper. Margins are always so small between victory and defeat. Just look at Saturday, when Walsall will be kicking themselves they didn't win. I know we have defensive issues, but I am confident they will be addressed. They have been addressed through a change in the shape of the team in previous years and this will probably happen again now. The biggest concern I have is that Nichols isn't scoring at the moment. He's meant to be our main goal threat. Obviously he deserves more time and patience as he is new to the club, but when you have your main goalscorer banging them in it doesn't half make it easier to get results. We will bounce back. I have no doubt. What was the reason when Oldham didn't look leggy
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 13, 2017 17:06:58 GMT
Obviously none of us want that, but it's no wonder that professionals cringe at the overreactions and the ridiculously short-sighted opinions aired on forums. There is an obvious reason why we were leggy as a team last night and consequently underperformed. Yet, the goals conceded were stil down to frustrating individual errors and bad goalkeeping from an unfit keeper. Margins are always so small between victory and defeat. Just look at Saturday, when Walsall will be kicking themselves they didn't win. I know we have defensive issues, but I am confident they will be addressed. They have been addressed through a change in the shape of the team in previous years and this will probably happen again now. The biggest concern I have is that Nichols isn't scoring at the moment. He's meant to be our main goal threat. Obviously he deserves more time and patience as he is new to the club, but when you have your main goalscorer banging them in it doesn't half make it easier to get results. We will bounce back. I have no doubt. What was the reason when Oldham didn't look leggy The effort we expended with 10 men in the last 30 minutes on Saturday to ultimately win the game, would have had a massive effect on them, both physically and mentally. I thought we would struggle yesterday and we did. I hoped we might sneak a result. We didn't, which was frustrating given the individual errors we made. We obviously have work to do, but to think it is all doom and gloom, like most people on this thread, is taking it too far, in my opinion. That's just how I see it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 13, 2017 17:18:49 GMT
What was the reason when Oldham didn't look leggy The effort we expended with 10 men in the last 30 minutes on Saturday to ultimately win the game, would have had a massive effect on them, both physically and mentally. I thought we would struggle yesterday and we did. I hoped we might sneak a result. We didn't, which was frustrating given the individual errors we made. We obviously have work to do, but to think it is all doom and gloom, like most people on this thread, is taking it too far, in my opinion. That's just how I see it. Problem is none of us really know if it is doom and gloom or we need to be positive, the fact we're shipping so many goals and Nichols looks like the new James is a concern. We need tonight out a win or two somehow in the next 4 games or it will really become doom and gloom.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 13, 2017 17:22:35 GMT
The effort we expended with 10 men in the last 30 minutes on Saturday to ultimately win the game, would have had a massive effect on them, both physically and mentally. I thought we would struggle yesterday and we did. I hoped we might sneak a result. We didn't, which was frustrating given the individual errors we made. We obviously have work to do, but to think it is all doom and gloom, like most people on this thread, is taking it too far, in my opinion. That's just how I see it. Nichols looks like the new James Bit harsh on Luke isn't it?
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Post by Qatar Gas on Sept 13, 2017 17:57:39 GMT
The last two years DC of teen played three centre backs with wing backs alongside. Especially for away games against so called tougher opposition. Whilst I was never a huge fan of that formation I am suprised how little it has been used so far, especially with the amount of goals we have been conceding lately. Also we have no wingers anyway so wouldn't a couple of wing backs help with the added protection of an additional defender?
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Post by Icegas on Sept 13, 2017 18:30:23 GMT
People need to get a grip.
Facts are we have played 10,won 6 and lost 4 - even if 3 of those were in cups.We have a winning record so far this season.
DC plays an attacking style,and his sides get better as the season goes on.Right now things are not perfect but remember 2014..
A couple of injured players get fully fit - Ollie Clarke, Sinclair and pards.Along with our out of form players upping there game and we will be good.
9 points is not bad given the backlash on here today.
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