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Post by Officer Barbrady on Sept 21, 2017 13:02:04 GMT
and what were they then? What hasn't been met? Wael clearly implied the UWE stadium would go ahead and really kept that up until the news broke via FB if was off. I can't recall one interview where he, or SH, ever suggested the stadium might got go ahead. fair enough. So here's my question then. If the stadium is a solid investment, that is that it would produce a return, why would a bunch of investment bankers not agree on it? Or is it that it wasn't a solid investment after all?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Sept 21, 2017 13:39:06 GMT
Wael clearly implied the UWE stadium would go ahead and really kept that up until the news broke via FB if was off. I can't recall one interview where he, or SH, ever suggested the stadium might got go ahead. fair enough. So here's my question then. If the stadium is a solid investment, that is that it would produce a return, why would a bunch of investment bankers not agree on it? Or is it that it wasn't a solid investment after all? The concensus seems to be that it was the fact that UWE either wouldn't sell the land or woukd sell but at inflated price. From the little thenhas come out of UWE they said they are shocked at the pull out and this would tie in with a powershift in who makes the decisions. I would have thought that it was the apt time for UWE to say what happened but no more than has already been said. Fact is that no one know for definite. This is what leads to speculation, presumption and assumption and is why i believe it's important to at least have some explanation from our board, to put a stop to it but we are not seeing that and this is what bothers me most. Surely it can't be that hard to work around any confidientiality clauses by giving us a rough but carefully worded explanation of the events that killed off the stadium.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Sept 21, 2017 13:49:10 GMT
fair enough. So here's my question then. If the stadium is a solid investment, that is that it would produce a return, why would a bunch of investment bankers not agree on it? Or is it that it wasn't a solid investment after all? The concensus seems to be that it was the fact that UWE either wouldn't sell the land or woukd sell but at inflated price. From the little thenhas come out of UWE they said they are shocked at the pull out and this would tie in with a powershift in who makes the decisions. I would have thought that it was the apt time for UWE to say what happened but no more than has already been said. Fact is that no one know for definite. This is what leads to speculation, presumption and assumption and is why i believe it's important to at least have some explanation from our board, to put a stop to it but we are not seeing that and this is what bothers me most. Surely it can't be that hard to work around any confidientiality clauses by giving us a rough but carefully worded explanation of the events that killed off the stadium. except it is when there is a confidentiality clause and you don't want to get sued.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 16:50:38 GMT
and what were they then? What hasn't been met? Wael clearly implied the UWE stadium would go ahead and really kept that up until the news broke via FB if was off. I can't recall one interview where he, or SH, ever suggested the stadium might got go ahead. Wael also at some point said "we have a new stadium" or did I imagine that? The day the collapse of the stadium deal was announced was gutting,but when it was said we would be regenerating the mem,or whatever they called it,that as far as I'm concerned was a complete water take.How could we possibly go from "we need a new stadium to progress" to basically lets tart up the mem,that's simply a step way to far.Just hoping now that we come out of this with the club still intact because were merely in the "buying time" period before the club is off-loaded.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 21, 2017 17:04:40 GMT
The concensus seems to be that it was the fact that UWE either wouldn't sell the land or woukd sell but at inflated price. From the little thenhas come out of UWE they said they are shocked at the pull out and this would tie in with a powershift in who makes the decisions. I would have thought that it was the apt time for UWE to say what happened but no more than has already been said. Fact is that no one know for definite. This is what leads to speculation, presumption and assumption and is why i believe it's important to at least have some explanation from our board, to put a stop to it but we are not seeing that and this is what bothers me most. Surely it can't be that hard to work around any confidientiality clauses by giving us a rough but carefully worded explanation of the events that killed off the stadium. except it is when there is a confidentiality clause and you don't want to get sued. Can you honestly see the UWE suing us because Wael said we couldn't agree on X or Y with the UWE, it's not like we're dealing with a company like Sainsbury's again. I don't really get how certain posters seem content the club's spent £1m's on plans etc only to just them without any proper explanation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 17:14:43 GMT
So why are the club working with a company that have delivered many stadium projects if they are not going to rebuild the Mem ?
Why are the club constantly bringing in new staff to expand the clubs abilities on and off the field if they have no future income source planned ?
Things do change in this world.
I am prepared to believe Wael on the following statements.
Bristol Rovers will get a stadium.
Evolution not revolution.
We are here for the long term.
The club needs all its staff under one roof not all over the place. (in ref to the colony)
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 21, 2017 17:31:19 GMT
Wael clearly implied the UWE stadium would go ahead and really kept that up until the news broke via FB if was off. I can't recall one interview where he, or SH, ever suggested the stadium might got go ahead. fair enough. So here's my question then. If the stadium is a solid investment, that is that it would produce a return, why would a bunch of investment bankers not agree on it? Or is it that it wasn't a solid investment after all? Who said anything about it being a solid investment? If the ALQ's are just looking for a decent return they should stick to commercial property, as owning a football is clearly never going to guarantee a return.
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Post by You can call me Al. on Sept 21, 2017 17:32:43 GMT
I personally feel some people are turning on our President without any real evidence of him doing anything underhanded/wrong.
It seems a few people are putting two and two together and making five. As yet i see no reason to mis-trust what he says. His enthusiasm and goals remain the same imo.
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Post by 1883kinhswoodgas on Sept 21, 2017 21:02:52 GMT
I personally feel some people are turning on our President without any real evidence of him doing anything underhanded/wrong. It seems a few people are putting two and two together and making five. As yet i see no reason to mis-trust what he says. His enthusiasm and goals remain the same imo. He's getting more stick than Higgs ever got and he nearly led us to bankruptcy and took us out the league. Still "he's alright cause he's fab int he"
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Post by xplosivgas on Sept 21, 2017 21:58:11 GMT
I personally feel some people are turning on our President without any real evidence of him doing anything underhanded/wrong. It seems a few people are putting two and two together and making five. As yet i see no reason to mis-trust what he says. His enthusiasm and goals remain the same imo. He's getting more stick than Higgs ever got and he nearly led us to bankruptcy and took us out the league. Still "he's alright cause he's fab int he" In my opinion Wael has got quite an easy ride considering the shocking UWE outcome and lack of a plausible explanation, sensible backup plan and communication in general. I've been surprised how much faith and trust so many fans still have in the guy. Hopefully he repays it.
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Post by c4h10 on Sept 21, 2017 22:08:36 GMT
fair enough. So here's my question then. If the stadium is a solid investment, that is that it would produce a return, why would a bunch of investment bankers not agree on it? Or is it that it wasn't a solid investment after all? Who said anything about it being a solid investment? If the ALQ's are just looking for a decent return they should stick to commercial property, as owning a football is clearly never going to guarantee a return.Depends who you kick it to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 23:06:37 GMT
Wael clearly implied the UWE stadium would go ahead and really kept that up until the news broke via FB if was off. I can't recall one interview where he, or SH, ever suggested the stadium might got go ahead. fair enough. So here's my question then. If the stadium is a solid investment, that is that it would produce a return, why would a bunch of investment bankers not agree on it? Or is it that it wasn't a solid investment after all? It might be a solid investment for me to buy painting by constable but if i havnt got the cash or i have got the cash but im not prepared to spend that much money i wont be buying it will i?
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Post by peterparker on Sept 22, 2017 7:00:48 GMT
He's getting more stick than Higgs ever got and he nearly led us to bankruptcy and took us out the league. Still "he's alright cause he's fab int he" In my opinion Wael has got quite an easy ride considering the shocking UWE outcome and lack of a plausible explanation, sensible backup plan and communication in general. I've been surprised how much faith and trust so many fans still have in the guy. Hopefully he repays it. what was the shocking UWE outcome. It wasn't getting built before The Al-Qadi's came along, so why should it have been any different because they did?
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Post by bluecamel on Sept 22, 2017 7:05:37 GMT
I truly want to believe that Wael and his crew will come good, but I find myself doubting the situation more and more as time goes on.
It seems like a case of the 'Kings new clothes' - for those who are familiar with this fairy tale, will understand my sentiment.
Time will tell, lets hope this tale has a happy ending?
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Post by peterparker on Sept 22, 2017 7:09:25 GMT
Wael clearly implied the UWE stadium would go ahead and really kept that up until the news broke via FB if was off. I can't recall one interview where he, or SH, ever suggested the stadium might got go ahead. fair enough. So here's my question then. If the stadium is a solid investment, that is that it would produce a return, why would a bunch of investment bankers not agree on it? Or is it that it wasn't a solid investment after all? well we are back to whether yo believe Wael/The Al-Qadi's again
They said they agreed certain things and UWE kept wanting to go back. In that instance Dwane offered an ultimatum and UWE didn't respond (UWE plead ignorance) and we are at deadlock on it and it's dead.
At face value, perhaps 'we' beleieved we had a good deal, but got fed up of doing business with people that didn't want to do business.
For all the stick The Al-Qadi's are getting, I don't see UWE being challenged much on their position in it all.
How desperate are UWE for a stadium on their land? and more importantly how desperate are they for a stadium on their land that we don't want them taking too much from? Maybe UWE don't really want it and now they have a perfect excuse to hide behind and blame Rovers
I am not sure what I believe anymore, but I think the answer is more complicated than the simplistic some are making it out
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 22, 2017 7:24:01 GMT
fair enough. So here's my question then. If the stadium is a solid investment, that is that it would produce a return, why would a bunch of investment bankers not agree on it? Or is it that it wasn't a solid investment after all? well we are back to whether yo believe Wael/The Al-Qadi's again
They said they agreed certain things and UWE kept wanting to go back. In that instance Dwane offered an ultimatum and UWE didn't respond (UWE plead ignorance) and we are at deadlock on it and it's dead.
At face value, perhaps 'we' beleieved we had a good deal, but got fed up of doing business with people that didn't want to do business.
For all the stick The Al-Qadi's are getting, I don't see UWE being challenged much on their position in it all.
How desperate are UWE for a stadium on their land? and more importantly how desperate are they for a stadium on their land that we don't want them taking too much from? Maybe UWE don't really want it and now they have a perfect excuse to hide behind and blame Rovers
I am not sure what I believe anymore, but I think the answer is more complicated than the simplistic some are making it out
Believe it or not i'm 100% behind whatever Wael said his plans are and i hope they all come true, but i just wish the rest of the family are as committed as Wael is. I don't have any proof that they are not other than the lack of "Investment" at the moment and the continued analysis by Swiss gas on how Rovers are funding the current spend/expansion of the back room team
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Post by LJG on Sept 22, 2017 7:49:42 GMT
fair enough. So here's my question then. If the stadium is a solid investment, that is that it would produce a return, why would a bunch of investment bankers not agree on it? Or is it that it wasn't a solid investment after all? well we are back to whether yo believe Wael/The Al-Qadi's again
They said they agreed certain things and UWE kept wanting to go back. In that instance Dwane offered an ultimatum and UWE didn't respond (UWE plead ignorance) and we are at deadlock on it and it's dead.
At face value, perhaps 'we' beleieved we had a good deal, but got fed up of doing business with people that didn't want to do business.
For all the stick The Al-Qadi's are getting, I don't see UWE being challenged much on their position in it all.
How desperate are UWE for a stadium on their land? and more importantly how desperate are they for a stadium on their land that we don't want them taking too much from? Maybe UWE don't really want it and now they have a perfect excuse to hide behind and blame Rovers
I am not sure what I believe anymore, but I think the answer is more complicated than the simplistic some are making it out
They're not desperate for it at all. The principal even said on BBC Points West after Sainsburys pulled out "Would I rather have an academic facility there like a new library or a new Chemistry block? Yes I would".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 7:52:27 GMT
So why are the club working with a company that have delivered many stadium projects if they are not going to rebuild the Mem ? Why are the club constantly bringing in new staff to expand the clubs abilities on and off the field if they have no future income source planned ? Abilities on the field? We need players Things do change in this world. Not at the gas I'm afraid no new ground no revamp I am prepared to believe Wael on the following statements. Seeing is believing he can say all he likes Bristol Rovers will get a stadium. He's all talk loves the attention but can't deliver what we need is a new stadium Evolution not revolution. All talk We are here for the long term.so must we wait another 55 years to see the same results no stadium The club needs all its staff under one roof not all over the place. (in ref to the colony)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 8:27:51 GMT
well we are back to whether yo believe Wael/The Al-Qadi's again
They said they agreed certain things and UWE kept wanting to go back. In that instance Dwane offered an ultimatum and UWE didn't respond (UWE plead ignorance) and we are at deadlock on it and it's dead.
At face value, perhaps 'we' beleieved we had a good deal, but got fed up of doing business with people that didn't want to do business.
For all the stick The Al-Qadi's are getting, I don't see UWE being challenged much on their position in it all.
How desperate are UWE for a stadium on their land? and more importantly how desperate are they for a stadium on their land that we don't want them taking too much from? Maybe UWE don't really want it and now they have a perfect excuse to hide behind and blame Rovers
I am not sure what I believe anymore, but I think the answer is more complicated than the simplistic some are making it out
Believe it or not i'm 100% behind whatever Wael said his plans are and i hope they all come true, but i just wish the rest of the family are as committed as Wael is. I don't have any proof that they are not other than the lack of "Investment" at the moment and the continued analysis by Swiss gas on how Rovers are funding the current spend/expansion of the back room team Interesting point you make re Swiss Gas and his take on it all. No one appears to really want to challenge what he's saying - not even knowall who tries to give the impression he knows what's going on and is quick to put people down that give an opinion which doesn't align with his.
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Post by socrates on Sept 22, 2017 8:30:58 GMT
In my opinion Wael has got quite an easy ride considering the shocking UWE outcome and lack of a plausible explanation, sensible backup plan and communication in general. I've been surprised how much faith and trust so many fans still have in the guy. Hopefully he repays it. what was the shocking UWE outcome. It wasn't getting built before The Al-Qadi's came along, so why should it have been any different because they did? Yeah I wasn't shocked at all . I didn't believe for one minute that Higgs had got us a good deal with the UWE and as soon as Wael confirmed that there were things about it that they needed to look in to that confirmed it really. Also Wael told some of our fans that UWE decided after hed bought the club that they wanted much more money so who can blame us for not wanting to go ahead with a deal that didn't suit us at all. I'd rather stand at the Mem which we own than sit down in an almost empty new big stadium whilst we make no money and get f**ked over everweek on the pitch as well as off it by UWE.
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