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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 6, 2017 15:59:59 GMT
Fair play for posting this & please say a big thank you from me at least. Loyalty is a very scarce thing nowadays and to show such loyalty when being treated so shabbily is showing the contractor in the best light possible. 40K is not a small amount and employees need paying. It makes me feel the Dwane come across as a rogue trader here. As always there are 2 sides to any story so it would be the right thing to do for the club to now address this very public detail plus the rumours of other people waiting to be paid. It paints & tarnishes the club as both skinflints & people others would avoid to now do business with over to you Steve Hamer & Wael. You have your chance to put your side of this saga. Do the right thing please This isn’t me KP I’m passing on the information to the masses who keep going on about hearsay and evidence but no doubt they’ll still be as dismissive. Yes, i totally understood that as soon as i read it and frankly cant understand anyone who can’t
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 16:01:06 GMT
I would love to hear from Wael about this but if there is a threat of taking legal action, he is not going to be able to say too much anyway (just like he did during the post UWE interview). BS5 - is your name a reference to the post code? I grew up in St George so wondered if we may have crossed paths before. our paths may have crossed as if 1974 is your birthdate and mine is 1971 we are of the same era but I’m originally an Eastville boy then Horfield where I am now mate, UTG
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Nov 6, 2017 16:01:46 GMT
But if we're drip feeding them payments how can there be a dispute? Plus what the hell can we dispute over an agreed tender for a fence etc, it's not like they've built a clubhouse and it's not been built to spec. If we're drop feeding them payments then who is paying for the two new roles advertised last week? Are the players not being paid? Sounds odd that a fairly small amount of money in the grand scheme of things is not being paid.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Nov 6, 2017 16:05:12 GMT
Facts ? Some bloke posts something on an internet forum, minus sources, and suddenly it's a given ? Sorry, not for me . Which has been the theme for months now. Still enough people run with it though until it takes a life of its own.
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Post by gasincider on Nov 6, 2017 16:05:51 GMT
This isn't fact, its 1 persons account of what he has been supposedly told by the owner/manager of the company in question. However plausible or close to the truth that actually is. (not calling anyone a liar, just playing devils advocate) If the alleged company did want to air its dirty linen in public, why not come on here and post himself or even better, take it to the press? All I am saying is that putting this information out there is damaging to the club, the fanbase and to the company in question. It solves nothing, proves nothing, and helps no one or any situation. All it does is cause contentions between everyone and puts a lack of trust there. We haven't heard anything from the club on this matter and quite frankly, at this stage, its none of anyone elses business until, if it ever does, reach court. Put it this way, if I told a friend of a business transaction which he then made public, i would be livid. Presumably if you spent £40k to buy something and it didn't turn up, you'd be chilled out about it? If you owed me it and you didn't pay up, you'd need to be looking under your car each morning.😇🙏🏼
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Post by peterparker on Nov 6, 2017 16:06:14 GMT
But if we're drip feeding them payments how can there be a dispute? Plus what the hell can we dispute over an agreed tender for a fence etc, it's not like they've built a clubhouse and it's not been built to spec. If we're drop feeding them payments then who is paying for the two new roles advertised last week? Are the players not being paid? Sounds odd that a fairly small amount of money in the grand scheme of things is not being paid. Indeed. We are not paying x,y,z but have somehow and for some reason employed a presumably well paid, well thought of commercial manager Doesnt reconcile to me If they dont want to spend money and have no intention of doing anything at The Mem why bring this bloke in. Easy 50k + saved Dwane now have 29 acres, whixh some suggested the possibility of selling part of for housing. That has to be worth a few quid and a damn sight more than 40k to keep it safe
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 16:06:55 GMT
With respect to the original post. It seriously needs rewriting in a more understandable way. I'm none the wiser as it stands at the moment. He’s obviously very close to the contractors but then many would be as they have both been sponsors and fairly well know. He was asked to post on the contractors behalf. At least, that how I read it This only backs up what a few of us posted a couple of months ago about unpaid bills and legal action seems like nothing has changed the club didn't dispute it then and I don't expect them to dispute this claim either. Something isn't adding up behind the scenes and it needs clarification. It's all well and good saying in Wael we trust but it is not him in charge of the purse strings. Up until a few weeks ago I wasn't unduly worried because I knew that if it all went tits up then Geoff Dunford would not let the club die but now I am worried
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 6, 2017 16:16:29 GMT
Well, can see your point. I have taken OP at his word as (talking of facts) no reason to not believe him - for now. And on that basis needs two sides arguments not one. And on that point BS5 is strangely quiet at the moment despite several requests to clarify. Not difficult I would think. BS5 is sadly mistaken if they think that the way it has been presented in the OP has done anything but cause more questions than answers. Two sides to any story....over to you BS5 Why do you have no reason not to believe him? Why is your baseline to believe a claim that by your own logic has not yet been proven? Because I do not have the evidence to say anything else at the moment. Why would I say "You are a liar" when I cant prove it? Its not believing the claim its just accepting the statement/OP as given due to lack of contrary evidence. If you read what I said it says..."for now" and that suggests he needs to provide "two arguments not one"....like I said if you read it properly. Which implies I accept your word ..."for now...but am looking for more supporting evidence. Seems a good starting point don't you think? Innocent until proven otherwise should be the watchwords Could ask the reverse question of why you think he is not saying the truth?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 6, 2017 16:18:02 GMT
He’s obviously very close to the contractors but then many would be as they have both been sponsors and fairly well know. He was asked to post on the contractors behalf. At least, that how I read it This only backs up what a few of us posted a couple of months ago about unpaid bills and legal action seems like nothing has changed the club didn't dispute it then and I don't expect them to dispute this claim either. Something isn't adding up behind the scenes and it needs clarification. It's all well and good saying in Wael we trust but it is not him in charge of the purse strings. Up until a few weeks ago I wasn't unduly worried because I knew that if it all went tits up then Geoff Dunford would not let the club die but now I am worried Yeah, it is a bit worrying. False or real, there is a reason all this stuff is being peddled out now. The other thing that bothers me is the number of people saying Because A therefore B. When the details of A are still sketchy. And even if A is 100% true it's still not Therefore B!!
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 6, 2017 16:22:11 GMT
Why do you have no reason not to believe him? Why is your baseline to believe a claim that by your own logic has not yet been proven? Because I do not have the evidence to say anything else at the moment. Why would I say "You are a liar" when I cant prove it? Its not believing the claim its just accepting the statement/OP as given due to lack of contrary evidence. If you read what I said it says..."for now" and that suggests he needs to provide "two arguments not one"....like I said if you read it properly. Which implies I accept your word ..."for now...but am looking for more supporting evidence. Seems a good starting point don't you think? Innocent until proven otherwise should be the watchwords Could ask the reverse question of why you think he is not saying the truth? Why would you believe anything without evidence?
Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean 'believe a claim until disproved', it means the opposite - that you don't believe a claim until it is proven. The OP is making claims about the owners of the club. It's the owners of the club that should be innocent until proven guilty.
That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
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Post by LJG on Nov 6, 2017 16:24:31 GMT
This isn't fact, its 1 persons account of what he has been supposedly told by the owner/manager of the company in question. However plausible or close to the truth that actually is. (not calling anyone a liar, just playing devils advocate) If the alleged company did want to air its dirty linen in public, why not come on here and post himself or even better, take it to the press? All I am saying is that putting this information out there is damaging to the club, the fanbase and to the company in question. It solves nothing, proves nothing, and helps no one or any situation. All it does is cause contentions between everyone and puts a lack of trust there. We haven't heard anything from the club on this matter and quite frankly, at this stage, its none of anyone elses business until, if it ever does, reach court. Put it this way, if I told a friend of a business transaction which he then made public, i would be livid. Presumably if you spent £40k to buy something and it didn't turn up, you'd be chilled out about it? If you owed me it and you didn't pay up, you'd need to be looking under your car each morning.😇🙏🏼 Likewise if you pay me £40k to buy a brand new car and I turn up with a dinky toy you'd still be happy for me to pocket the cash.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 6, 2017 16:25:12 GMT
Why do you have no reason not to believe him? Why is your baseline to believe a claim that by your own logic has not yet been proven? Because I do not have the evidence to say anything else at the moment. Why would I say "You are a liar" when I cant prove it? Its not believing the claim its just accepting the statement/OP as given due to lack of contrary evidence. If you read what I said it says..."for now" and that suggests he needs to provide "two arguments not one"....like I said if you read it properly. Which implies I accept your word ..."for now...but am looking for more supporting evidence. Seems a good starting point don't you think? Innocent until proven otherwise should be the watchwords Could ask the reverse question of why you think he is not saying the truth? Because the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. A lot of claims have been made on here of late. As it happens, I believe him that the fence has not been fully paid for. That still doesn't mean that his further assumptions are in any way correct or provable.
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Post by gregsy on Nov 6, 2017 16:28:48 GMT
I don't know why we needed a new thread for this, as it could've been posted on the other thread dealing with exactly the same subjects....
But I've kind of got accustomed to the fact that trying to keep the main board of gaschat tidy is a bit like vacuuming a carpet in a room full of builders eating sausage rolls....
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 6, 2017 16:30:35 GMT
Because I do not have the evidence to say anything else at the moment. Why would I say "You are a liar" when I cant prove it? Its not believing the claim its just accepting the statement/OP as given due to lack of contrary evidence. If you read what I said it says..."for now" and that suggests he needs to provide "two arguments not one"....like I said if you read it properly. Which implies I accept your word ..."for now...but am looking for more supporting evidence. Seems a good starting point don't you think? Innocent until proven otherwise should be the watchwords Could ask the reverse question of why you think he is not saying the truth? Because the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. A lot of claims have been made on here of late. As it happens, I believe him that the fence has not been fully paid for. That still doesn't mean that his further assumptions are in any way correct or provable. Just to be even clearer what 'innocent until proven guilty means', I'm not saying that the OP is a liar. I don't know if he's a liar, and I don't know if he's telling the truth. However, as he has provided no evidence of his claim, than I can't assume that it is true.
It's the same in a court of law - if a defendent is not found guilty, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's not guilty. It means that there's not enough evidence to prove he is guilty, so the court cannot act as if he is.
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 6, 2017 16:32:38 GMT
Because I do not have the evidence to say anything else at the moment. Why would I say "You are a liar" when I cant prove it? If you read what I said it says..."for now" and that suggests he needs to provide "two arguments not one"....like I said if you read it properly. Which implies I accept your word ..."for now...but am looking for more supporting evidence. Seems a good starting point don't you think? Innocent until proven otherwise should be the watchwords Could ask the reverse question of why you think he is not saying the truth? Why would you believe anything without evidence?
Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean 'believe a claim until disproved', it means the opposite - that you don't believe a claim until it is proven. The OP is making claims about the owners of the club. It's the owners of the club that should be innocent until proven guilty.
That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
Once again read what I said - "Its not believing the claim its just accepting the statement/OP as given due to lack of contrary evidence." But asking for further supporting evidence. Cant be that difficult to understand surely?
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Post by pirate49 on Nov 6, 2017 16:38:45 GMT
If anyone from the club reads this they could knock it on the head straight away. Either by refuting this version of events or by paying up. Tick, tock..........................
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Post by knowall on Nov 6, 2017 16:40:02 GMT
No pal you’re wrong not made up tosh but I will admit to sharing all the worrying things I have heard , next you’ll be calling me a sh1thead fella. I will also admit to my latest posts being of a negative vibe but I’m not going to post made up drivel about flowers and harmony unless of course you want me to. Mug I am not your pal, and what you post IS what you have HEARD. Nothing factual. If you wish to be taken seriously instead of someone who makes up drivel then post facts not something you may or may not have heard. Until you can all you are doing is peddling rubbish. Suggestion - come to Box 1 on Wednesday night and ask the main man.
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 6, 2017 16:41:57 GMT
Why would you believe anything without evidence?
Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean 'believe a claim until disproved', it means the opposite - that you don't believe a claim until it is proven. The OP is making claims about the owners of the club. It's the owners of the club that should be innocent until proven guilty.
That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
Once again read what I said - "Its not believing the claim its just accepting the statement/OP as given due to lack of contrary evidence." But asking for further supporting evidence. Cant be that difficult to understand surely? What's the difference between believing a claim to be true and accepting a claim to be true? Dictionary definition of 'accept' in this context = 'to recognize that something is true, fair, or right'
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Post by 1883kinhswoodgas on Nov 6, 2017 16:42:50 GMT
If anyone from the club reads this they could knock it on the head straight away. Either by refuting this version of events or by paying up. Tick, tock.......................... I can assure you now WAQ doesn’t read the forums, also if you respond to one rumour you have to respond to them all and the rate they are being churned out at the moment there aren’t enough hours in the day
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Post by pirate49 on Nov 6, 2017 16:43:29 GMT
No pal you’re wrong not made up tosh but I will admit to sharing all the worrying things I have heard , next you’ll be calling me a sh1thead fella. I will also admit to my latest posts being of a negative vibe but I’m not going to post made up drivel about flowers and harmony unless of course you want me to. Mug Suggestion - come to Box 1 on Wednesday night and ask the main man. Just by the by, don't visiting Directors now use Box 1 and ours use Boxes 2 and 3?
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