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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 13:15:22 GMT
For those of you who keep dismissing all the stories of woe emanating from within our that give grave cause for concern, below is a statement from the person(s) involved in fencegate. Let’s try and not let a story get in the way of actual true facts please find below this statement, cue Lord Justice Gashead and his merry band of rose tinters to try and dissect UTG : I will try and explain what has gone on in a sensible way without apportioning blame on any individual or company In February The landscape company was instructed by brick to cut back hedgerows and excessive growth around the perimeter of training ground.about half way through the clearance the club realised there was no way of securing the site from vehicle and caravan access without a fence being erected IT WENT to tender and I understand J & G were successful Work was completed No payment was received until July which was 3k out of £40 k plus since then there have been several more payments of 3k after a long gap and several emails J& G went legal they received another 2k this week They also excavated the ditch that runs the entire length of the site I have finally spoken up as I am fed up of companies who worked this site and did a good job being blamed If you enter the site you will also see 2 huge roller shutter doors on the original agricultural sheds and new internal wall to house grass cutting machinery So yes money is owed and steve Brookfield is trying his best to pay it is only my relationship with the club over 15 years of sponsoring all the stands and managers cars that stops me going legal I am fully behind Daryl but the politics within the club have upset me. I am sure I will get slaughtered for speaking up but I love this club and things aren’t right. Read more: gasheads.org/thread/6887/put-facts-forward#ixzz4xenLHSJS |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 6, 2017 13:23:49 GMT
I don't think anyone has ever disputed that the fence (etc) has not been paid for.
What usually happens, though, is that this fact (which we all agree on, and which seems like an unfortunately sh**ty situation all round) is used to imply that lots of other things are wrong with the club.
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 6, 2017 13:31:20 GMT
Thank you for this - but still unclear as to why this bill is still outstanding. Customer (non) satisfaction or lack of funds? Could do with some clarity on that point - subject to any legal bits that may not wish to be disclosed at this point.
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Post by peterparker on Nov 6, 2017 13:34:13 GMT
Thank you for this - but still unclear as to why this bill is still outstanding. Customer (non) satisfaction or lack of funds? Could do with some clarity on that point - subject to any legal bits that may not wish to be disclosed at this point. Indeed, it's still only one side of the story.
I don't think anyone has blamed anyone working on the site as the post suggests. Just in the ace of no facts or evidence, people reasonably suggesting/thinking that something must be under dispute for it not to be paid
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Post by baggins on Nov 6, 2017 13:36:37 GMT
Sounds like an all too familiar load of sh** stirring crap to me. Why any Rovers fan would actually go to the trouble of posting this is beyond me.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 6, 2017 13:41:27 GMT
Sounds like an all too familiar load of sh** stirring crap to me. Why any Rovers fan would actually go to the trouble of posting this is beyond me. So as Rovers fans we should keep schtum should we if we find out that the owners of our club seem to behaving a bit like 82 did immediately before they became 82? |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 6, 2017 13:43:39 GMT
I fully expect the club to be in administration within the week
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Post by baggins on Nov 6, 2017 13:45:48 GMT
Sounds like an all too familiar load of sh** stirring crap to me. Why any Rovers fan would actually go to the trouble of posting this is beyond me. So as Rovers fans we should keep schtum should we if we find out that the owners of our club seem to behaving a bit like 82 did immediately before they became 82? You're comparing a dispute over payment for a fence to that lot going bankrupt 35 years ago? |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 6, 2017 13:53:33 GMT
For those of you who keep dismissing all the stories of woe emanating from within our that give grave cause for concern, below is a statement from the person(s) involved in fencegate. Let’s try and not let a story get in the way of actual true facts please find below this statement, cue Lord Justice Gashead and his merry band of rose tinters to try and dissect UTG : I will try and explain what has gone on in a sensible way without apportioning blame on any individual or company In February The landscape company was instructed by brick to cut back hedgerows and excessive growth around the perimeter of training ground.about half way through the clearance the club realised there was no way of securing the site from vehicle and caravan access without a fence being erected IT WENT to tender and I understand J & G were successful Work was completed No payment was received until July which was 3k out of £40 k plus since then there have been several more payments of 3k after a long gap and several emails J& G went legal they received another 2k this week They also excavated the ditch that runs the entire length of the site I have finally spoken up as I am fed up of companies who worked this site and did a good job being blamed If you enter the site you will also see 2 huge roller shutter doors on the original agricultural sheds and new internal wall to house grass cutting machinery So yes money is owed and steve Brookfield is trying his best to pay it is only my relationship with the club over 15 years of sponsoring all the stands and managers cars that stops me going legal I am fully behind Daryl but the politics within the club have upset me. I am sure I will get slaughtered for speaking up but I love this club and things aren’t right. Read more: gasheads.org/thread/6887/put-facts-forward#ixzz4xenLHSJSFair play for posting this & please say a big thank you from me at least. Loyalty is a very scarce thing nowadays and to show such loyalty when being treated so shabbily is showing the contractor in the best light possible. 40K is not a small amount and employees need paying. It makes me feel the Dwane come across as a rogue trader here. As always there are 2 sides to any story so it would be the right thing to do for the club to now address this very public detail plus the rumours of other people waiting to be paid. It paints & tarnishes the club as both skinflints & people others would avoid to now do business with over to you Steve Hamer & Wael. You have your chance to put your side of this saga. Do the right thing please |
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Post by baggins on Nov 6, 2017 13:57:35 GMT
For those of you who keep dismissing all the stories of woe emanating from within our that give grave cause for concern, below is a statement from the person(s) involved in fencegate. Let’s try and not let a story get in the way of actual true facts please find below this statement, cue Lord Justice Gashead and his merry band of rose tinters to try and dissect UTG : I will try and explain what has gone on in a sensible way without apportioning blame on any individual or company In February The landscape company was instructed by brick to cut back hedgerows and excessive growth around the perimeter of training ground.about half way through the clearance the club realised there was no way of securing the site from vehicle and caravan access without a fence being erected IT WENT to tender and I understand J & G were successful Work was completed No payment was received until July which was 3k out of £40 k plus since then there have been several more payments of 3k after a long gap and several emails J& G went legal they received another 2k this week They also excavated the ditch that runs the entire length of the site I have finally spoken up as I am fed up of companies who worked this site and did a good job being blamed If you enter the site you will also see 2 huge roller shutter doors on the original agricultural sheds and new internal wall to house grass cutting machinery So yes money is owed and steve Brookfield is trying his best to pay it is only my relationship with the club over 15 years of sponsoring all the stands and managers cars that stops me going legal I am fully behind Daryl but the politics within the club have upset me. I am sure I will get slaughtered for speaking up but I love this club and things aren’t right. Read more: gasheads.org/thread/6887/put-facts-forward#ixzz4xenLHSJSFair play for posting this & please say a big thank you from me at least. Loyalty is a very scarce thing nowadays and to show such loyalty when being treated so shabbily is showing the contractor in the best light possible. 40K is not a small amount and employees need paying. It makes me feel the Dwane come across as a rogue trader here. As always there are 2 sides to any story so it would be the right thing to do for the club to now address this very public detail plus the rumours of other people waiting to be paid. It paints & tarnishes the club as both skinflints & people others would avoid to now do business with over to you Steve Hamer & Wael. You have your chance to put your side of this saga. Do the right thing please Fair play? Name me one good thing that posting that has done? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 13:58:44 GMT
For those of you who keep dismissing all the stories of woe emanating from within our that give grave cause for concern, below is a statement from the person(s) involved in fencegate. Let’s try and not let a story get in the way of actual true facts please find below this statement, cue Lord Justice Gashead and his merry band of rose tinters to try and dissect UTG : I will try and explain what has gone on in a sensible way without apportioning blame on any individual or company In February The landscape company was instructed by brick to cut back hedgerows and excessive growth around the perimeter of training ground.about half way through the clearance the club realised there was no way of securing the site from vehicle and caravan access without a fence being erected IT WENT to tender and I understand J & G were successful Work was completed No payment was received until July which was 3k out of £40 k plus since then there have been several more payments of 3k after a long gap and several emails J& G went legal they received another 2k this week They also excavated the ditch that runs the entire length of the site I have finally spoken up as I am fed up of companies who worked this site and did a good job being blamed If you enter the site you will also see 2 huge roller shutter doors on the original agricultural sheds and new internal wall to house grass cutting machinery So yes money is owed and steve Brookfield is trying his best to pay it is only my relationship with the club over 15 years of sponsoring all the stands and managers cars that stops me going legal I am fully behind Daryl but the politics within the club have upset me. I am sure I will get slaughtered for speaking up but I love this club and things aren’t right. Read more: gasheads.org/thread/6887/put-facts-forward#ixzz4xenLHSJSBs5 thank you as I have been one of the people asking for facts. I guess on face value it all sounds a bit strange as if there is an invoice for £40k and then regular/ several payments of £3k has been made then it would sound as if a payment schedule was agreed (I'm speculating). The July payment was the first? When was work completed and approved by both parties as complete to satisfaction? If further work was procured after the first agreement, a further Statement of Work or amendment would have been needed which may have changed payment terms. Like has already been posted, this is one side of the story - can your source confirm what reason is being given for non payment? It shouldn't be commercially sensitive. Also, how many £3k payments have been made? You mention several so I'm reading about £15k of the owed £40k has been made? I thank you again for giving more information on what and you view is what it is, I'm guessing though that that's prompted more questions from me. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 6, 2017 14:01:53 GMT
What a sorry, sorry mess our club is in.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 6, 2017 14:05:07 GMT
Sounds like an all too familiar load of sh** stirring crap to me. Why any Rovers fan would actually go to the trouble of posting this is beyond me. How would you feel if you were owed the best part of 40K with employees to pay ? You REALLY wonder why post, honestly ? You would be furious, worried, unsure & maybe worrying if your business can take the hit and carry on but not necessarily in that order. This is exactly the place to air it rather than the media. I think the contractor is showing incredible restraint personally and that the poster is just clearing up what is truth and what is unsubstantiated rumour is All. To most of us a 40k debt would probably see us homeless. If you have time then read swissgas post over on gasheads. That will then fill in many of the missing parts. This isn’t a small claims court issue, it’s a serious amount for the regular Joe, that go to games. Put yourself in the contractors shoes for one brief moment, take it in and how that amount would affect you and I believe you’ll have your answer |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 6, 2017 14:06:58 GMT
I fully expect the club to be in administration within the week Is this sarcasm, irony or just you being playful Ian Henbury Gas Gas |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 6, 2017 14:07:07 GMT
KP if we are drip feeding payments I can't see there two sides to the story, it seems we have cash flow problems and there's no issue with the actual work carried out or we wouldn't be making any payments at all? What's surprising is this is still dragging on since before the UWE announcement if we could afford £40K for a fence etc I think we can stop dreaming now of us ever spending £m's. I guess we enjoyed the ride for as long as it lasted!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 6, 2017 14:09:15 GMT
I fully expect the club to be in administration within the week Is this sarcasm, irony or just you being playful Ian Henbury Gas Gas "playful" not at my age young man lol Sarcasm is my middle name... |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 6, 2017 14:11:09 GMT
40k for a fence? I would say they saw us coming but judging by lack of payments I think it might be the other way around...
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Post by baggins on Nov 6, 2017 14:12:24 GMT
Sounds like an all too familiar load of sh** stirring crap to me. Why any Rovers fan would actually go to the trouble of posting this is beyond me. How would you feel if you were owed the best part of 40K with employees to pay ? You REALLY wonder why post, honestly ? You would be furious, worried, unsure & maybe worrying if your business can take the hit and carry on but not necessarily in that order. This is exactly the place to air it rather than the media. I think the contractor is showing incredible restraint personally and that the poster is just clearing up what is truth and what is unsubstantiated rumour is All. To most of us a 40k debt would probably see us homeless. If you have time then read swissgas post over on gasheads. That will then fill in many of the missing parts. This isn’t a small claims court issue, it’s a serious amount for the regular Joe, that go to games. Put yourself in the contractors shoes for one brief moment, take it in and how that amount would affect you and I believe you’ll have your answer 40k? You honestly think if the job was well done, to standard, and what we agreed on, Waq couldn't pull £40k out of his back pocket? Keep grabbing on to the anti board strings being fed to you. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 6, 2017 14:16:15 GMT
KP if we are drip feeding payments I can't see there two sides to the story, it seems we have cash flow problems and there's no issue with the actual work carried out or we wouldn't be making any payments at all? What's surprising is this is still dragging on since before the UWE announcement if we could afford £40K for a fence etc I think we can stop dreaming now of us ever spending £m's. I guess we enjoyed the ride for as long as it lasted! I fully agree @topper Gas but I’m just playing devil’s advocate for one moment. What you write is spot on & it’s now the perfect time for the owners/Dwane to fess up, to use the colloquial & be down with da youf innit. In all seriousness, I find it deeply troubling. I try very hard not to generalise but when I was a mere labourer on my jobbing builder elder brothers, we would ALWAYS ask for at least 60% of the money upfront when we worked for Arabic or Asian people. I guess i’ll get pulled up on racism here but we had enough of always arguing come pay up time. Come on SH & WAQ, over to you to clarify WTH is going on PLEASE |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 6, 2017 14:17:37 GMT
Is this sarcasm, irony or just you being playful Ian Henbury Gas Gas "playful" not at my age young man lol Sarcasm is my middle name... Thank you fella. Not that much younger than you. Turned 54 on the 23rd of last month don’t you know |
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