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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 14, 2017 23:51:13 GMT
As a way of me keeping sane in a mad world, I sometimes let my mind wonder about things and I have been musing over what various options we have. Purely my own thoughts but I tried to summarise the possibilities.
The Mem
Option 1 - do nothing.
This would be the cheapest of the lot and many would be excused if they felt this was the only realistic choice. It would still require upkeep but the owners would likely lose the last vestiges of trust and ambition.
Option 2 - one new build stand.
My preferred choice in the short term if we are staying would be a new stand along the east side. It could hold c.6,000 seats and could even retain the existing terracing to increase ground capacity. If sited right it could allow a pitch resiting for future builds when money and needs demand. Cost would be around £10m I reckon and could be partly funded by grants. It would incorporate modest commercial facilities together with changing rooms, etc. As a statement of intent it would be acceptable and could allow us to have the odd cameo appearance in the Championship but nothing longer term. It could be built relatively quickly with minimal disruption and may receive planning without too much trouble. At least it would be a start.
Option 3 - complete rebuild.
This would be more of a statement of intent, if around 20,000 then it could permit in my view a sustained period of Championship football. It would be costly, lengthy to get planning permission for and disruptive. However nothing is impossible given time, money and effort so if Dwane are serious then it will happen. Would leave us sceptical in view of past attempts until the diggers move in, or even sometime afterwards too.
UWE
Option 4 - Dwane and the UWE resume talks and thrash out an agreement. It would return us to where we thought we were and as a new build it would definitely allow us to be competitative in the Championship. Officially ruled out so maybe a nonstarter.
Option 5 - As option 4 but with new investors coming in to shore up Dwane's stake.
Option 6 - New owners take over from where we were 20 months ago, q.v. other threads. Who knows? Groundhog day 😀
Alternative sites
Option 7 - Back to square one again for the umpteenth time. In terms of alternatives, places that come to mind are Mangotsfield, Keynsham, Avonmouth, Lyde Green, Filton Airfield and the planned arena site near Temple Meads. Not sure if any of these are viable and I suspect that housing would take priority anyway.
Any other options?
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Nov 14, 2017 23:57:52 GMT
At this rate it might be back to Twerton!
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 15, 2017 0:15:45 GMT
At this rate it might be back to Twerton! Aren't they planning a new stand? Coincidence? |
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Post by Marshy on Nov 15, 2017 7:13:03 GMT
At this rate it might be back to Twerton! Aren't they planning a new stand? Coincidence? They are going to hang on for a couple of years as they have first dibs on our second hand tents. |
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Post by albaron on Nov 15, 2017 7:58:05 GMT
Has to be Option 4 or Option 5 if we are to progress.
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Post by Gasshole on Nov 15, 2017 8:55:49 GMT
Easiest thing to do is just build a gigantic stand on one side. 15,000 seats job done. Bowl the DriBuild, no fkin about moving the pitch / footprint etc.  |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 15, 2017 9:21:53 GMT
Aren't they planning a new stand? Coincidence? They are going to hang on for a couple of years as they have first dibs on our second hand tents. Attachments:
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Post by knowall on Nov 15, 2017 11:06:44 GMT
As a way of me keeping sane in a mad world, I sometimes let my mind wonder about things and I have been musing over what various options we have. Purely my own thoughts but I tried to summarise the possibilities. The Mem Option 1 - do nothing. This would be the cheapest of the lot and many would be excused if they felt this was the only realistic choice. It would still require upkeep but the owners would likely lose the last vestiges of trust and ambition. Option 2 - one new build stand. My preferred choice in the short term if we are staying would be a new stand along the east side. It could hold c.6,000 seats and could even retain the existing terracing to increase ground capacity. If sited right it could allow a pitch resiting for future builds when money and needs demand. Cost would be around £10m I reckon and could be partly funded by grants. It would incorporate modest commercial facilities together with changing rooms, etc. As a statement of intent it would be acceptable and could allow us to have the odd cameo appearance in the Championship but nothing longer term. It could be built relatively quickly with minimal disruption and may receive planning without too much trouble. At least it would be a start. Option 3 - complete rebuild. This would be more of a statement of intent, if around 20,000 then it could permit in my view a sustained period of Championship football. It would be costly, lengthy to get planning permission for and disruptive. However nothing is impossible given time, money and effort so if Dwane are serious then it will happen. Would leave us sceptical in view of past attempts until the diggers move in, or even sometime afterwards too. UWE Option 4 - Dwane and the UWE resume talks and thrash out an agreement. It would return us to where we thought we were and as a new build it would definitely allow us to be competitative in the Championship. Officially ruled out so maybe a nonstarter. Option 5 - As option 4 but with new investors coming in to shore up Dwane's stake. Option 6 - New owners take over from where we were 20 months ago, q.v. other threads. Who knows? Groundhog day 😀 Alternative sites Option 7 - Back to square one again for the umpteenth time. In terms of alternatives, places that come to mind are Mangotsfield, Keynsham, Avonmouth, Lyde Green, Filton Airfield and the planned arena site near Temple Meads. Not sure if any of these are viable and I suspect that housing would take priority anyway. Any other options? When Roy Redman was a director he approached Aerospace about possible Brabazon hanger to become football stadium - possible now? |
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Nov 15, 2017 12:17:46 GMT
Surely we can get mem to 15/16k with out to much hassle?? Not perfect I know but let’s be realistic that would be fine short/medium term  |
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Post by axegas on Nov 15, 2017 12:38:11 GMT
I'd be happy for a stand by stand rebuild of the mem if I'm honest. The Matchday experience of Gloucester Road and the pubs and cafe's surrounding the ground is great and I think we'd really miss out on that if we moved out of town like Oxford. People might criticise it as lack of ambition but for me the most important thing is to offer supporters good facilities as it would go a long way to growing the fanbase and attracting a new generation of supporters.
I really believe that Championship ready facilities and an increase of non matchday revenue could propel our club on to better things but it involves our owners putting their money where their mouth is and the council not standing in the way of it. Two things at present, I really cannot see happening but we'll see.
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Post by gasheadstu on Nov 15, 2017 13:10:20 GMT
I'd be happy for a stand by stand rebuild of the mem if I'm honest. The Matchday experience of Gloucester Road and the pubs and cafe's surrounding the ground is great and I think we'd really miss out on that if we moved out of town like Oxford. People might criticise it as lack of ambition but for me the most important thing is to offer supporters good facilities as it would go a long way to growing the fanbase and attracting a new generation of supporters. I really believe that Championship ready facilities and an increase of non matchday revenue could propel our club on to better things but it involves our owners putting their money where their mouth is and the council not standing in the way of it. Two things at present, I really cannot see happening but we'll see. I agree to the supporter, the appeal of having pubs/cafes/food outlets down Gloucester road is great but to a businessman this is competition.
If the stadium is built out of town and offer facilities to cover this, then the club will take all the revenue
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Post by socrates on Nov 15, 2017 13:19:55 GMT
As a way of me keeping sane in a mad world, I sometimes let my mind wonder about things and I have been musing over what various options we have. Purely my own thoughts but I tried to summarise the possibilities. The Mem Option 1 - do nothing. This would be the cheapest of the lot and many would be excused if they felt this was the only realistic choice. It would still require upkeep but the owners would likely lose the last vestiges of trust and ambition. Option 2 - one new build stand. My preferred choice in the short term if we are staying would be a new stand along the east side. It could hold c.6,000 seats and could even retain the existing terracing to increase ground capacity. If sited right it could allow a pitch resiting for future builds when money and needs demand. Cost would be around £10m I reckon and could be partly funded by grants. It would incorporate modest commercial facilities together with changing rooms, etc. As a statement of intent it would be acceptable and could allow us to have the odd cameo appearance in the Championship but nothing longer term. It could be built relatively quickly with minimal disruption and may receive planning without too much trouble. At least it would be a start. Option 3 - complete rebuild. This would be more of a statement of intent, if around 20,000 then it could permit in my view a sustained period of Championship football. It would be costly, lengthy to get planning permission for and disruptive. However nothing is impossible given time, money and effort so if Dwane are serious then it will happen. Would leave us sceptical in view of past attempts until the diggers move in, or even sometime afterwards too. UWE Option 4 - Dwane and the UWE resume talks and thrash out an agreement. It would return us to where we thought we were and as a new build it would definitely allow us to be competitative in the Championship. Officially ruled out so maybe a nonstarter. Option 5 - As option 4 but with new investors coming in to shore up Dwane's stake. Option 6 - New owners take over from where we were 20 months ago, q.v. other threads. Who knows? Groundhog day 😀 Alternative sites Option 7 - Back to square one again for the umpteenth time. In terms of alternatives, places that come to mind are Mangotsfield, Keynsham, Avonmouth, Lyde Green, Filton Airfield and the planned arena site near Temple Meads. Not sure if any of these are viable and I suspect that housing would take priority anyway. Any other options? Thinking about the stadium issue keeps you sane ? It drives me mad ! Lol I’d rather do the Mem up in to a 20,000 capacity than move to UWE but I doubt either will happen any time soon so I’d rather not think about tooo much. |
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Nov 15, 2017 13:42:19 GMT
Just a thought anyway Bristol bath border ground share with bath city?? Twerton 2!!
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Post by baggins on Nov 15, 2017 13:50:01 GMT
I'd be happy for a stand by stand rebuild of the mem if I'm honest. The Matchday experience of Gloucester Road and the pubs and cafe's surrounding the ground is great and I think we'd really miss out on that if we moved out of town like Oxford. People might criticise it as lack of ambition but for me the most important thing is to offer supporters good facilities as it would go a long way to growing the fanbase and attracting a new generation of supporters. I really believe that Championship ready facilities and an increase of non matchday revenue could propel our club on to better things but it involves our owners putting their money where their mouth is and the council not standing in the way of it. Two things at present, I really cannot see happening but we'll see. Good post. Have a little faith, bit of patience and that's what will happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 15:14:39 GMT
I've got to the stage where I don't care which option is taken all I ask is that the owners are upfronty and honest in what they plan and tell us...I'm just fed up with all the uncertainty.
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Post by cj on Nov 15, 2017 17:28:58 GMT
Filton airfield. Do a deal with the Council. They are thinking about building the new Bristol arena there and scrapping the plans by Temple Meads. May do a deal to create a ground share with them going 50 50 with them. That will save the council money and less investment for us to find as well. Also I doubt the council will refuse the application as they want an arena. If the arena is our football stadium then its a win win for all parties.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 17:40:13 GMT
Filton airfield. Do a deal with the Council. They are thinking about building the new Bristol arena there and scrapping the plans by Temple Meads. May do a deal to create a ground share with them going 50 50 with them. That will save the council money and less investment for us to find as well. Also I doubt the council will refuse the application as they want an arena. If the arena is our football stadium then its a win win for all parties. Great, problem solved just need to find someone with £40m to build the ground plus £40 m to build an arena and, oh yes, find someone to buy the land for us. Yes, once I used to dream but now its only nightmares ... |
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Post by cj on Nov 15, 2017 17:45:34 GMT
Filton airfield. Do a deal with the Council. They are thinking about building the new Bristol arena there and scrapping the plans by Temple Meads. May do a deal to create a ground share with them going 50 50 with them. That will save the council money and less investment for us to find as well. Also I doubt the council will refuse the application as they want an arena. If the arena is our football stadium then its a win win for all parties. Great, problem solved just need to find someone with £40m to build the ground plus £40 m to build an arena and, oh yes, find someone to buy the land for us. Yes, once I used to dream but now its only nightmares ... Im confused. Why do you need £40m to build the ground plus £40 m to build an arena? The arena will be the stadium. Like what most music concerts do at football stadiums. Going half with the council will probably mean we need to find less investment as only need half the funds to find. Probably less investment than what we needed for UWE. Council has wasted a lot already at Temple Meads so the fact they would share costs with us would benefit them too. Like I said, its a win win. Of course it wont happen, but its just and idea that makes sense! Here is the info I seen about the arena possibly thinking of Filton. www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-arena-could-move-away-748493 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 17:46:43 GMT
1) allow Bath city to groundshare the Mem.
2) demolish Twerton park and build a modern stadium of modest capacity (5-6000) on the site.
3) once complete Bath City and Bristol Rovers move to the new Twerton park.
4) Flatten the Mem
5) build a new Mem of 20,000.
6) Rovers move back to the new Mem.
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Post by paulpirate on Nov 15, 2017 18:11:23 GMT
1) allow Bath city to groundshare the Mem. 2) demolish Twerton park and build a modern stadium of modest capacity (5-6000) on the site. 3) once complete Bath City and Bristol Rovers move to the new Twerton park. 4) Flatten the Mem 5) build a new Mem of 20,000. 6) Rovers move back to the new Mem. why build Bath a ground too? Why don’t we build a few more whilst we’re at it |
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