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Post by knowall on Nov 30, 2017 19:58:15 GMT
The original plan (as far as us fans were concerned) was obviously to save the Club from extinction and then progress and build a stadium at UWE. From DS viewpoint it was to build a sustainable Club and a stadium at UWE with income generating facilities (car park, hotel etc) attached. UWE saw the opportunity to have on campus an income generating sports facility plus carpark for its students. Unfortunately, DS and UWE plans after 18 months of negotiation proved to be non-compatible which means only the first part of the fans plan has been met so far. However, DS has started to grow the background of a sustainable Club by progressing the youth and Academy and now have to come up with an alternative plan for generating an income and a stadium. The appointment of a commercial director is a start and those who are patient rather than destructive will wait for DS to come forward with a revised plan in due course. Why do they, what info have you been given that's the case as there's zilch info coming out of the ALQ's or Wael since his last interview post the UWE announcement, even DC now sounds like he's had enough of them. DC is a straight talking guy so 'sounds' is your biased interpretation of DCs thoughts
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 30, 2017 22:47:18 GMT
Why do they, what info have you been given that's the case as there's zilch info coming out of the ALQ's or Wael since his last interview post the UWE announcement, even DC now sounds like he's had enough of them. DC is a straight talking guy so 'sounds' is your biased interpretation of DCs thoughts I can't stop laughing at the reference to "bias" the whole forum can see the truth but "knowall" can't see it!😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 22:57:08 GMT
Interesting that the owner had a 15 year plan and a plan for the way forward is exactly what we lack. Hamer and the new FD need to set out a plan for the way forward for Hani and Wael to consider, it might take time but without a clear direction the club will have no direction. Someone at the club needs to get down to work now and get things moving and a clear direction agree by owners and management. Cannot just let things drift and hope for the best. Come on Hamer off your *ss and start things rolling. The original plan (as far as us fans were concerned) was obviously to save the Club from extinction and then progress and build a stadium at UWE. From DS viewpoint it was to build a sustainable Club and a stadium at UWE with income generating facilities (car park, hotel etc) attached. UWE saw the opportunity to have on campus an income generating sports facility plus carpark for its students. Unfortunately, DS and UWE plans after 18 months of negotiation proved to be non-compatible which means only the first part of the fans plan has been met so far. However, DS has started to grow the background of a sustainable Club by progressing the youth and Academy and now have to come up with an alternative plan for generating an income and a stadium. The appointment of a commercial director is a start and those who are patient rather than destructive will wait for DS to come forward with a revised plan in due course. Would be good if you could share your knowlege of DS's plans with Hamer and DC as they did not seem so clear about them but thanks for explaining the plan with me. Do you know if money is available to DC in January?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 23:54:56 GMT
The original plan (as far as us fans were concerned) was obviously to save the Club from extinction and then progress and build a stadium at UWE. From DS viewpoint it was to build a sustainable Club and a stadium at UWE with income generating facilities (car park, hotel etc) attached. UWE saw the opportunity to have on campus an income generating sports facility plus carpark for its students. Unfortunately, DS and UWE plans after 18 months of negotiation proved to be non-compatible which means only the first part of the fans plan has been met so far. However, DS has started to grow the background of a sustainable Club by progressing the youth and Academy and now have to come up with an alternative plan for generating an income and a stadium. The appointment of a commercial director is a start and those who are patient rather than destructive will wait for DS to come forward with a revised plan in due course. Would be good if you could share your knowlege of DS's plans with Hamer and DC as they did not seem so clear about them but thanks for explaining the plan with me. Do you know if money is available to DC in January? he knows it all hence his forum name so just await his reply and see if he can convince you like he’s convinced himself 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 0:34:23 GMT
So this chap has a fifteen year plan to sort his club out and all is well. We have owners less than 2 years in tenure and they are to be exorcised, hung drawn and quartered for not doing what he has done. F*ck me you couldn't make it up. No one, but no one knows what the long term aims of the Al Qadi family is with regards to this football club. Like many others I am tiring of the utter bolloxs that is extolled on these pages without any credible evidence being presented, life is too short to attempt to debate it anymore. Problem i have is that if were losing £1m or £2m per year is it really feasible to say "its a 10 year plan"? Is it realistic to lose money hand over fist but sometime in the future build the mem up and get the colony running. Also every early interview with wael mentions a cat 2 academy as i remember it. Never mentioned anymore though is it? During fyldes 15 year plan are they losing £2m per year?
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Post by Gasshole on Dec 1, 2017 3:47:50 GMT
Will need to upgrade Disabled facilities soon to comply with current legislation so hope at least one new stand might incorporate this and begin the revamp sooner rather than later. We ain’t got no money Staff 😢 Wonga loan anyone? Grammar Marshy It’s “we don’t got no money” init.
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Post by Marshy on Dec 1, 2017 7:41:56 GMT
We ain’t got no money Staff 😢 Wonga loan anyone? Grammar Marshy It’s “we don’t got no money” init. You are quite correct sir, I must try harder!
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Post by philbemmygas on Dec 1, 2017 7:47:24 GMT
So this chap has a fifteen year plan to sort his club out and all is well. We have owners less than 2 years in tenure and they are to be exorcised, hung drawn and quartered for not doing what he has done. F*ck me you couldn't make it up. No one, but no one knows what the long term aims of the Al Qadi family is with regards to this football club. Like many others I am tiring of the utter bolloxs that is extolled on these pages without any credible evidence being presented, life is too short to attempt to debate it anymore. Problem i have is that if were losing £1m or £2m per year is it really feasible to say "its a 10 year plan"? Is it realistic to lose money hand over fist but sometime in the future build the mem up and get the colony running. Also every early interview with wael mentions a cat 2 academy as i remember it. Never mentioned anymore though is it? During fyldes 15 year plan are they losing £2m per year? My point was - there may well be a 10 year or fifteen year plan, but as the owners are not prepared to share it with all and sundry they are being abused and questioned. Arabs in general live and die on their word, it's part of their culture. In a our own culture where lies and skullduggery are commonplace some seem to believe this is the way they work. Until I actually see some credible evidence of wrongdoing I will give them the benefit of my doubt. Too many third hand rumours that originated from a pub and implied meanings of interviews do not convince me we are f*cked over. Nuff said on the subject, we have a winnable game tomorrow. Time to put all this bolloxs behind us and become the 12th man, DC needs to earn his corn and motivate "HIS" players to achieve that win. UTG
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 1, 2017 9:13:52 GMT
Not Rovers related, but an interesting article on AFC Fylde who are now in the conference. Huge investment by the owner in the team and ground which is now reaping rewards and a great example of speculating to accumulate within football. I know the costs are higher for us, but having the vision and determination to fulfilment is key and part of that is dillydallying about when it comes to facilities which will bread results. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41926607 Unfortunately, it is all too easy to compare chalk and cheese when you have blinkered eyes As opposed to the evidence of them doing nothing, building nothing, or having any plans to build anything, and the puppet on the string that is Hamer comparing the ALQs to Ambramovich and saying that the one who controls the purse strings is not a football man. So much so they can’t even pay contractors. Oh and let’s just mention the fact that our own manager has just come out and said he feels let down, we have a bottom 6 budget, need to up our finances to keep our best players and the club is a back to the wall club which will continue for the minute. No blinkered. Completely realist. If anything, a current belief in WAQ and his crew that they will spend money is a complete fantasy. 12m spent. On what? Not the team as DC has only spent a net £135k.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 1, 2017 9:28:46 GMT
Unfortunately, it is all too easy to compare chalk and cheese when you have blinkered eyes As opposed to the evidence of them doing nothing, building nothing, or having any plans to build anything, and the puppet on the string that is Hamer comparing the ALQs to Ambramovich and saying that the one who controls the purse strings is not a football man. So much so they can’t even pay contractors. Oh and let’s just mention the fact that our own manager has just come out and said he feels let down, we have a bottom 6 budget, need to up our finances to keep our best players and the club is a back to the wall club which will continue for the minute. No blinkered. Completely realist. If anything, a current belief in WAQ and his crew that they will spend money is a complete fantasy. 12m spent. On what? Not the team as DC has only spent a net £135k. I would love to know where all this (and not necessarily aimed directly at you) negativity was when Higgs and co were not building anything, never were going to and were leaving The Mem to rot where it stood
As for DC, he has to suck it up. Maybe he thought like some fans that the AQs were going to give him loads of cash or he was promised stuff that hasn't materialised, but DC would never have got bucket loads of cash from NH, or a training ground either, so he has to get on with what he has got. If he wants to move on his career, he will move on eventually whatever happened at Rovers
wow he has to overcome the first 'major' sticky patch in his career and that is about man management and managing the resources he has and has had for the past years which he was successful with
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Post by knowall on Dec 1, 2017 9:38:54 GMT
Unfortunately, it is all too easy to compare chalk and cheese when you have blinkered eyes As opposed to the evidence of them doing nothing, building nothing, or having any plans to build anything, and the puppet on the string that is Hamer comparing the ALQs to Ambramovich and saying that the one who controls the purse strings is not a football man. So much so they can’t even pay contractors. Oh and let’s just mention the fact that our own manager has just come out and said he feels let down, we have a bottom 6 budget, need to up our finances to keep our best players and the club is a back to the wall club which will continue for the minute. No blinkered. Completely realist. If anything, a current belief in WAQ and his crew that they will spend money is a complete fantasy. 12m spent. On what? Not the team as DC has only spent a net £135k. So you consider NH and Uncle Eds tenure was successful? and unprepared to give the current owners time?
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 1, 2017 10:37:35 GMT
Unfortunately, it is all too easy to compare chalk and cheese when you have blinkered eyes As opposed to the evidence of them doing nothing, building nothing, or having any plans to build anything, and the puppet on the string that is Hamer comparing the ALQs to Ambramovich and saying that the one who controls the purse strings is not a football man. So much so they can’t even pay contractors. Oh and let’s just mention the fact that our own manager has just come out and said he feels let down, we have a bottom 6 budget, need to up our finances to keep our best players and the club is a back to the wall club which will continue for the minute. No blinkered. Completely realist. If anything, a current belief in WAQ and his crew that they will spend money is a complete fantasy. 12m spent. On what? Not the team as DC has only spent a net £135k. Imo the charge taken out against the Mem wasn't meant to be blown in the space of a few months. And surely a big chunk of that 12m was paying off the old board anyway?
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Post by peterparker on Dec 1, 2017 10:47:38 GMT
As opposed to the evidence of them doing nothing, building nothing, or having any plans to build anything, and the puppet on the string that is Hamer comparing the ALQs to Ambramovich and saying that the one who controls the purse strings is not a football man. So much so they can’t even pay contractors. Oh and let’s just mention the fact that our own manager has just come out and said he feels let down, we have a bottom 6 budget, need to up our finances to keep our best players and the club is a back to the wall club which will continue for the minute. No blinkered. Completely realist. If anything, a current belief in WAQ and his crew that they will spend money is a complete fantasy. 12m spent. On what? Not the team as DC has only spent a net £135k. Imo the charge taken out against the Mem wasn't meant to be blown in the space of a few months. And surely a big chunk of that 12m was paying off the old board anyway? Wonga was £2.7m at the June 2015 accounts and £1.2m unsecured directors loans. There also appears to be significant sums in creditors bonds, which I am not sure if these relate to ex directors
EDIT, must also add monies owed to Sainbsury's The courts for costs
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 1, 2017 11:04:58 GMT
As opposed to the evidence of them doing nothing, building nothing, or having any plans to build anything, and the puppet on the string that is Hamer comparing the ALQs to Ambramovich and saying that the one who controls the purse strings is not a football man. So much so they can’t even pay contractors. Oh and let’s just mention the fact that our own manager has just come out and said he feels let down, we have a bottom 6 budget, need to up our finances to keep our best players and the club is a back to the wall club which will continue for the minute. No blinkered. Completely realist. If anything, a current belief in WAQ and his crew that they will spend money is a complete fantasy. 12m spent. On what? Not the team as DC has only spent a net £135k. I would love to know where all this (and not necessarily aimed directly at you) negativity was when Higgs and co were not building anything, never were going to and were leaving The Mem to rot where it stood
As for DC, he has to suck it up. Maybe he thought like some fans that the AQs were going to give him loads of cash or he was promised stuff that hasn't materialised, but DC would never have got bucket loads of cash from NH, or a training ground either, so he has to get on with what he has got. If he wants to move on his career, he will move on eventually whatever happened at Rovers
wow he has to overcome the first 'major' sticky patch in his career and that is about man management and managing the resources he has and has had for the past years which he was successful with
Of course there was negativity under the old board and although communication was poor, we at least all knew something...we hear more news on having a gas on rob than we do from the club. Did we not have plans for the Mem (before the recession killed it) and then the UWE? Before you say the UWE was a bad deal for the club, we don’t actually know that it was. Maybe it was a bad deal because UWE wouldn’t let the ALQs build their hotel on the site? Who knows. No one has actually said. If the JR hadn’t happened for the Mem, chances are sainsbury wouldn’t have pulled out and the UWE would have been built. ALQs have pulled the plug, had no plans to do anything else apart from a casual chat with the locals and Hamer advising a stand by stand rebuild. That is potentially 10 years away. We also never had a charge against the Mem under the old board.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 11:07:25 GMT
As opposed to the evidence of them doing nothing, building nothing, or having any plans to build anything, and the puppet on the string that is Hamer comparing the ALQs to Ambramovich and saying that the one who controls the purse strings is not a football man. So much so they can’t even pay contractors. Oh and let’s just mention the fact that our own manager has just come out and said he feels let down, we have a bottom 6 budget, need to up our finances to keep our best players and the club is a back to the wall club which will continue for the minute. No blinkered. Completely realist. If anything, a current belief in WAQ and his crew that they will spend money is a complete fantasy. 12m spent. On what? Not the team as DC has only spent a net £135k. So you consider NH and Uncle Eds tenure was successful? and unprepared to give the current owners time? Considering in the short time our new owners have been here they have killed our new stadium dreams, put us 12 million in debt and our home at risk and watered off our biggest asset aside from the mem (DC) it frankly terrifies me what might happen if we give them time. I worry their long term plan will turn us into Leyton Orient mk2
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 1, 2017 11:08:08 GMT
As opposed to the evidence of them doing nothing, building nothing, or having any plans to build anything, and the puppet on the string that is Hamer comparing the ALQs to Ambramovich and saying that the one who controls the purse strings is not a football man. So much so they can’t even pay contractors. Oh and let’s just mention the fact that our own manager has just come out and said he feels let down, we have a bottom 6 budget, need to up our finances to keep our best players and the club is a back to the wall club which will continue for the minute. No blinkered. Completely realist. If anything, a current belief in WAQ and his crew that they will spend money is a complete fantasy. 12m spent. On what? Not the team as DC has only spent a net £135k. Imo the charge taken out against the Mem wasn't meant to be blown in the space of a few months. And surely a big chunk of that 12m was paying off the old board anyway? So Hamer saying the new owners have invested 12m is complete bull. Investing 12m and spending 12m on purchasing shares is 2 totally different things and a way of Hamer using a bit of political spin to relieve some heat in an interview. It’s not the first time he’s been economical with the truth.
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Post by Marshy on Dec 1, 2017 11:09:34 GMT
I would love to know where all this (and not necessarily aimed directly at you) negativity was when Higgs and co were not building anything, never were going to and were leaving The Mem to rot where it stood
As for DC, he has to suck it up. Maybe he thought like some fans that the AQs were going to give him loads of cash or he was promised stuff that hasn't materialised, but DC would never have got bucket loads of cash from NH, or a training ground either, so he has to get on with what he has got. If he wants to move on his career, he will move on eventually whatever happened at Rovers
wow he has to overcome the first 'major' sticky patch in his career and that is about man management and managing the resources he has and has had for the past years which he was successful with
Of course there was negativity under the old board and although communication was poor, we at least all knew something...we hear more news on having a gas on rob than we do from the club. Did we not have plans for the Mem (before the recession killed it) and then the UWE? Before you say the UWE was a bad deal for the club, we don’t actually know that it was. Maybe it was a bad deal because UWE wouldn’t let the ALQs build their hotel on the site? Who knows. No one has actually said. If the JR hadn’t happened for the Mem, chances are sainsbury wouldn’t have pulled out and the UWE would have been built. ALQs have pulled the plug, had no plans to do anything else apart from a casual chat with the locals and Hamer advising a stand by stand rebuild. That is potentially 10 years away. We also never had a charge against the Mem under the old board. I bet we did have a charge against the Mem, what do you think the Wonga loan was secured against?
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Post by peterparker on Dec 1, 2017 11:19:43 GMT
Of course there was negativity under the old board and although communication was poor, we at least all knew something...we hear more news on having a gas on rob than we do from the club. Did we not have plans for the Mem (before the recession killed it) and then the UWE? Before you say the UWE was a bad deal for the club, we don’t actually know that it was. Maybe it was a bad deal because UWE wouldn’t let the ALQs build their hotel on the site? Who knows. No one has actually said. If the JR hadn’t happened for the Mem, chances are sainsbury wouldn’t have pulled out and the UWE would have been built. ALQs have pulled the plug, had no plans to do anything else apart from a casual chat with the locals and Hamer advising a stand by stand rebuild. That is potentially 10 years away. We also never had a charge against the Mem under the old board. I bet we did have a charge against the Mem, what do you think the Wonga loan was secured against? it was, as was costs owed to Sainsbury's I beleive
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 11:21:07 GMT
Imo the charge taken out against the Mem wasn't meant to be blown in the space of a few months. And surely a big chunk of that 12m was paying off the old board anyway? So Hamer saying the new owners have invested 12m is complete bull. Investing 12m and spending 12m on purchasing shares is 2 totally different things and a way of Hamer using a bit of political spin to relieve some heat in an interview. It’s not the first time he’s been economical with the truth. It is a fair assumption that the club was bought from the 12 million as so far the Al Qadi's have not risked their own money in any other aspect of running the club so it would seem highly out of character for them to pony up 3 million or so from their own pocket to get started. The lack of any significant risk from the Al Qadi's along with Hani having no interest in football worries me no end. What 'skin in the game' does Hani have? Where is the pressure to make Rovers a success? There would be far more if it was the family's/bank shareholder's money tied up in the club. As it is a sale of the mem for housing recoups their cash and they walk away unscathed. Very little risk and no pressure on their part to make Rovers any better than we are now.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 1, 2017 11:21:31 GMT
I would love to know where all this (and not necessarily aimed directly at you) negativity was when Higgs and co were not building anything, never were going to and were leaving The Mem to rot where it stood
As for DC, he has to suck it up. Maybe he thought like some fans that the AQs were going to give him loads of cash or he was promised stuff that hasn't materialised, but DC would never have got bucket loads of cash from NH, or a training ground either, so he has to get on with what he has got. If he wants to move on his career, he will move on eventually whatever happened at Rovers
wow he has to overcome the first 'major' sticky patch in his career and that is about man management and managing the resources he has and has had for the past years which he was successful with
Of course there was negativity under the old board and although communication was poor, we at least all knew something...we hear more news on having a gas on rob than we do from the club. Did we not have plans for the Mem (before the recession killed it) and then the UWE? Before you say the UWE was a bad deal for the club, we don’t actually know that it was. Maybe it was a bad deal because UWE wouldn’t let the ALQs build their hotel on the site? Who knows. No one has actually said. If the JR hadn’t happened for the Mem, chances are sainsbury wouldn’t have pulled out and the UWE would have been built. ALQs have pulled the plug, had no plans to do anything else apart from a casual chat with the locals and Hamer advising a stand by stand rebuild. That is potentially 10 years away. We also never had a charge against the Mem under the old board. are you convinced Sainsbury's would have happened but for the JR? This is the same Sainsbury's who have strung Southend on since the dawn of time.
UWE hinged on Sainsbury's paying over the odds for The Mem from the start. I don't see that as a great starting position
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