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Post by philbemmygas on Dec 1, 2017 12:14:07 GMT
Of course there was negativity under the old board and although communication was poor, we at least all knew something...we hear more news on having a gas on rob than we do from the club. Did we not have plans for the Mem (before the recession killed it) and then the UWE? Before you say the UWE was a bad deal for the club, we don’t actually know that it was. Maybe it was a bad deal because UWE wouldn’t let the ALQs build their hotel on the site? Who knows. No one has actually said. If the JR hadn’t happened for the Mem, chances are sainsbury wouldn’t have pulled out and the UWE would have been built. ALQs have pulled the plug, had no plans to do anything else apart from a casual chat with the locals and Hamer advising a stand by stand rebuild. That is potentially 10 years away. We also never had a charge against the Mem under the old board. are you convinced Sainsbury's would have happened but for the JR? This is the same Sainsbury's who have strung Southend on since the dawn of time.
UWE hinged on Sainsbury's paying over the odds for The Mem from the start. I don't see that as a great starting position
Please don't use logic when debating this subject; they are all demons and reptillian lizards not fit to fund the club
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 1, 2017 12:29:28 GMT
Of course there was negativity under the old board and although communication was poor, we at least all knew something...we hear more news on having a gas on rob than we do from the club. Did we not have plans for the Mem (before the recession killed it) and then the UWE? Before you say the UWE was a bad deal for the club, we don’t actually know that it was. Maybe it was a bad deal because UWE wouldn’t let the ALQs build their hotel on the site? Who knows. No one has actually said. If the JR hadn’t happened for the Mem, chances are sainsbury wouldn’t have pulled out and the UWE would have been built. ALQs have pulled the plug, had no plans to do anything else apart from a casual chat with the locals and Hamer advising a stand by stand rebuild. That is potentially 10 years away. We also never had a charge against the Mem under the old board. are you convinced Sainsbury's would have happened but for the JR? This is the same Sainsbury's who have strung Southend on since the dawn of time.
UWE hinged on Sainsbury's paying over the odds for The Mem from the start. I don't see that as a great starting position
The fact they were building new super stores before the super market crash suggests it was a possibility, plus they must have spent a small fortune getting pp etc just to string us along?
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Post by peterparker on Dec 1, 2017 12:38:52 GMT
are you convinced Sainsbury's would have happened but for the JR? This is the same Sainsbury's who have strung Southend on since the dawn of time.
UWE hinged on Sainsbury's paying over the odds for The Mem from the start. I don't see that as a great starting position
The fact they were building new super stores before the super market crash suggests it was a possibility, plus they must have spent a small fortune getting pp etc just to string us along? perhaps I should rephrase it then.
Give our track record of actually building anything, did anyone really believe UWE would happen before the AQs were here?
As it was we were dealing with people who knew what they were doing, working with people who clearly did not and we even shafted ourselves doing it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 12:51:48 GMT
Of course there was negativity under the old board and although communication was poor, we at least all knew something...we hear more news on having a gas on rob than we do from the club. Did we not have plans for the Mem (before the recession killed it) and then the UWE? Before you say the UWE was a bad deal for the club, we don’t actually know that it was. Maybe it was a bad deal because UWE wouldn’t let the ALQs build their hotel on the site? Who knows. No one has actually said. If the JR hadn’t happened for the Mem, chances are sainsbury wouldn’t have pulled out and the UWE would have been built. ALQs have pulled the plug, had no plans to do anything else apart from a casual chat with the locals and Hamer advising a stand by stand rebuild. That is potentially 10 years away. We also never had a charge against the Mem under the old board. are you convinced Sainsbury's would have happened but for the JR? This is the same Sainsbury's who have strung Southend on since the dawn of time.
UWE hinged on Sainsbury's paying over the odds for The Mem from the start. I don't see that as a great starting position
Also the sale of retail space to fund the Cardiff City Stadium went to ASDA due to 'other supermarkets not being serious' or something along those lines.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 12:58:13 GMT
Would be good if you could share your knowlege of DS's plans with Hamer and DC as they did not seem so clear about them but thanks for explaining the plan with me. Do you know if money is available to DC in January? he knows it all hence his forum name so just await his reply and see if he can convince you like he’s convinced himself 🤔 fivealive,very good.Dont get yourself banned this time fella.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 1, 2017 15:06:27 GMT
The fact they were building new super stores before the super market crash suggests it was a possibility, plus they must have spent a small fortune getting pp etc just to string us along? perhaps I should rephrase it then.
Give our track record of actually building anything, did anyone really believe UWE would happen before the AQs were here?
As it was we were dealing with people who knew what they were doing, working with people who clearly did not and we even shafted ourselves doing it
We had more chance then than we currently do now with no plans to build or redevelop anything.
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Post by knowall on Dec 1, 2017 15:18:13 GMT
I would love to know where all this (and not necessarily aimed directly at you) negativity was when Higgs and co were not building anything, never were going to and were leaving The Mem to rot where it stood
As for DC, he has to suck it up. Maybe he thought like some fans that the AQs were going to give him loads of cash or he was promised stuff that hasn't materialised, but DC would never have got bucket loads of cash from NH, or a training ground either, so he has to get on with what he has got. If he wants to move on his career, he will move on eventually whatever happened at Rovers
wow he has to overcome the first 'major' sticky patch in his career and that is about man management and managing the resources he has and has had for the past years which he was successful with
Of course there was negativity under the old board and although communication was poor, we at least all knew something...we hear more news on having a gas on rob than we do from the club. Did we not have plans for the Mem (before the recession killed it) and then the UWE? Before you say the UWE was a bad deal for the club, we don’t actually know that it was. Maybe it was a bad deal because UWE wouldn’t let the ALQs build their hotel on the site? Who knows. No one has actually said. If the JR hadn’t happened for the Mem, chances are sainsbury wouldn’t have pulled out and the UWE would have been built. ALQs have pulled the plug, had no plans to do anything else apart from a casual chat with the locals and Hamer advising a stand by stand rebuild. That is potentially 10 years away. We also never had a charge against the Mem under the old board.
Matter of fact - there has never been a time since 1986 when there has not been a charge against the Mem - please learn your facts
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 1, 2017 19:13:38 GMT
Not one where it had put the club at an extinctive risk.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 1, 2017 19:23:31 GMT
Not one where it had put the club at an extinctive risk. What about Wonga?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 1, 2017 19:28:00 GMT
Not one where it had put the club at an extinctive risk. What about Wonga? Wasn't that £2.4m, hardly enough to send a club with a ground worth £15m into Admin?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 1, 2017 19:35:10 GMT
The fact they were building new super stores before the super market crash suggests it was a possibility, plus they must have spent a small fortune getting pp etc just to string us along? perhaps I should rephrase it then.
Give our track record of actually building anything, did anyone really believe UWE would happen before the AQs were here?
As it was we were dealing with people who knew what they were doing, working with people who clearly did not and we even shafted ourselves doing it
Assuming Sainbury's were committed to buying the Mem then we probably wouldn't have much choice as they would have forced us to move, at worse we might have had had an Oxford like part finished stadium at UWE but I'd take that over where we are now. I don't get this attitude on here though of blaming everybody bar the ALQ's as at the end of the day nobody forced them to buy Rover or promise us, & DC, a new ground and training facilities. They are supposed to run a multi billion pound business with the best lawyers etc at their disposal didn't somebody raise with them that it wouldn't be all plain sailing?
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Post by poorblue on Dec 1, 2017 19:42:34 GMT
Not Rovers related, but an interesting article on AFC Fylde who are now in the conference. Huge investment by the owner in the team and ground which is now reaping rewards and a great example of speculating to accumulate within football. I know the costs are higher for us, but having the vision and determination to fulfilment is key and part of that is dillydallying about when it comes to facilities which will bread results. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41926607Yep I remember well a very rich man who had an ambitious dream for his club. He threw £50m at the club and tried to build a new stadium that failed and then got his team relegated. He had to write off the £50m debts. He then went for evolution not revolution and seems to be having a better time of it without risking the club. I'll stick with Wael and evolutions til I see anything better.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 1, 2017 19:55:02 GMT
Wasn't that £2.4m, hardly enough to send a club with a ground worth £15m into Admin? Who was going to pay it? Nick Higgs said it was unsustainable The issue now is that a larger loan is secured against The Mem and i accept that could be a scary thought. If The Al-Qadis hadnt secured it, people wouldnt be worried would they, even though they could di exactly the same thing to get their money back in selling the ground
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 20:01:27 GMT
Just noticed our former star loanee Andy Bond kicking off for AFC Fylde.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 1, 2017 20:07:22 GMT
Wasn't that £2.4m, hardly enough to send a club with a ground worth £15m into Admin? Who was going to pay it? Nick Higgs said it was unsustainable The issue now is that a larger loan is secured against The Mem and i accept that could be a scary thought. If The Al-Qadis hadnt secured it, people wouldnt be worried would they, even though they could di exactly the same thing to get their money back in selling the ground How about some foreign company gullible enough to fall for NH's small talk?
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Post by peterparker on Dec 1, 2017 20:16:53 GMT
Who was going to pay it? Nick Higgs said it was unsustainable The issue now is that a larger loan is secured against The Mem and i accept that could be a scary thought. If The Al-Qadis hadnt secured it, people wouldnt be worried would they, even though they could di exactly the same thing to get their money back in selling the ground How about some foreign company gullible enough to fall for NH's small talk? Yeah but they arent worried because they are selling the mem and getting their money back because Hani is a bastard etc, etc
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 20:19:15 GMT
Not Rovers related, but an interesting article on AFC Fylde who are now in the conference. Huge investment by the owner in the team and ground which is now reaping rewards and a great example of speculating to accumulate within football. I know the costs are higher for us, but having the vision and determination to fulfilment is key and part of that is dillydallying about when it comes to facilities which will bread results. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41926607Yep I remember well a very rich man who had an ambitious dream for his club. He threw £50m at the club and tried to build a new stadium that failed and then got his team relegated. He had to write off the £50m debts. He then went for evolution not revolution and seems to be having a better time of it without risking the club. I'll stick with Wael and evolutions til I see anything better. Evolution by lansdown,really? A £5m pound french striker,a six figure fee for a swedish winger,a massive redevelopment of ashton gate. And paying 122% of there entire turnover of staff/player salaries!
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Post by knowall on Dec 1, 2017 20:19:37 GMT
Not one where it had put the club at an extinctive risk. you are totally naive
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Post by pirate on Dec 1, 2017 20:40:20 GMT
Just noticed our former star loanee Andy Bond kicking off for AFC Fylde. Can't believe he is starting over someone like Henry Jones (although having said that, they are slightly different midfielders). I'm hoping Jones comes off the bench. Whenever I've seen him he has displayed a nice range of passing and has an eye for goal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 20:47:40 GMT
Just noticed our former star loanee Andy Bond kicking off for AFC Fylde. Can't believe he is starting over someone like Henry Jones (although having said that, they are slightly different midfielders). I'm hoping Jones comes off the bench. Whenever I've seen him he has displayed a nice range of passing and has an eye for goal. To be fair to Bond, thought he has played quite well. Can only remember him being played.on the wing with us and certainly not in central midfield.
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