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Post by peterhooper57 on Dec 1, 2017 21:10:11 GMT
Hani & Waq need to start talking to the supporters, If there is no money for players in January, then we will be in trouble and would not be surprised if D.C plans his exit
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Post by Somersetgas on Dec 1, 2017 21:39:41 GMT
Respect is perhaps the wrong word as I've no doubt they are a good family but one with divided loyalties. A younger brother who loves football and an older brother who has taken on the business responsibilities of his father and wants to protect the family's wealth. I think it's more about trust and being told one thing a year or so ago then thinks change with UWE and we really no longer know what the family's plans are for our club. Hani and DS have made a big mistake by not communicating with fans and indeed management. We all need to be pulling together but until we know the direction planned for the club that is going to be hard. A clear plan which is clearly communicated is essential if direction and trust are to be retored. I agree with that. Radio Bristol should have got Hani to do the interview. Hamer is a waste of time he doesn’t seem to know anything. Has Hani ever spoken? I haven’t heard an interview, but Knowing me I missed it
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Post by hpgas on Dec 1, 2017 22:57:05 GMT
IMO DS has underestimated the feeling of the fan base over the UWE situation. I think they also underestimated DC reaction & if he can get us comfortable in mid table, he will be off. Whether the UWE was right or wrong for the long term of the football club isn't really the issue for me. It seems obvious that DS looked at taking over the club, at what they deemed a bargain price, with the intention of building UWE, but on their terms only & as bankers they would have to fulfil their obligation to their investors first & foremost, they were either arrogant in believing it wouldn't be an issue or very naive, believing that as UWE also wanted the stadium they would bend over backwards to accommodate their wishes. When UWE wouldn't bend then the investors pulled out. As everything from building the Colony to investing in the team, seems to have all been reliant on UWE, coupled with the fact there has been no back up plan whatsoever, then I would like to think they have been naive & underestimated the situation ( despite all the so called expertise they brought on board ) SH - he just seems a mouthpiece & doesn't seem to have much idea of what is going on & makes things worse by his irritating comments such as landing lights on, likening us to the crazy gang, then last week using the Chelsea/Abramovich scenario to explain lack of comms, he even said last week that no one was more disappointed than him over the collapse of UWE-Really? As he apparently doesn't communicate with DC either, he should resign. They have chosen to buy our football club, I feel for Wael, as I really think he has become a fan, but the rest have no interest in football, hence I don't think they are in it for the long run - could Wael raise the investment on his own or could someone join in with him? Who knows but we cannot continue to lose money at the rate we are for too much longer, whist standing still on the infrastructure needed to support it Summarises exactly how I see it. The one thing that might save our arses is that Wael has blown off so much in his region about owning a football club, selling the stadium from under us to recoup losses would be too much of a loss of face for the wider family.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 0:29:40 GMT
I agree with that. Radio Bristol should have got Hani to do the interview. Hamer is a waste of time he doesn’t seem to know anything. Has Hani ever spoken? I haven’t heard an interview, but Knowing me I missed it There is an interview with hani somewhere related to investment opportunities in the middle east. He speaks well but coldly about taking opportunities that occur in war torn countries where good investments can be found.
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Post by southvillegas on Dec 2, 2017 1:59:54 GMT
I think we will get a new stadium but we will most likely end up struggling in League Two or worst in the conference. I can't see the family investing the money required to get the club promoted to the championship.
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Post by Congas on Dec 2, 2017 6:20:31 GMT
I think some fans have definitely lost it completely
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 2, 2017 6:31:32 GMT
No, but with such poor grammar, the OP has lost some of my respect. 😳 Happy xmas to you as well....
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Post by 84gas on Dec 2, 2017 7:11:38 GMT
Lets be right: they have never said that they will throw around money but they have definitely stalled with even the evolution side of things. DC has clearly noticed this and called them out (fair play). There is prudence and then there is just doing nothing. The real issue here is how far we are actually behind other clubs and the huge cost it would take just to get us on par let alone anywhere near the championship. That’s what they are scared of, heavily investing with no guaranteed return, investment bankers don’t do that! However if they are unwilling to provide a decent transfer budget / pot for wages then they need to sale. uwe obviously provided non match day revenue, now this has failed they are not interested imo. Be warned however our crowed is top6 which will change if they continue their wall of silence and lack of transparency.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 2, 2017 9:09:36 GMT
Has Hani ever spoken? I haven’t heard an interview, but Knowing me I missed it There is an interview with hani somewhere related to investment opportunities in the middle east. He speaks well but coldly about taking opportunities that occur in war torn countries where good investments can be found. Watching that on YouTube and you can't imagine he's worried about appearing on the radio, he also gives the impression he invests (gambles?) vast amounts of money in war torn countries etc, £12m to him could well be just small change.
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Post by gasincider on Dec 2, 2017 9:23:26 GMT
If DC isnt backed, i think he will walk. I really hope they can pull a rabbit out of the Hat. Im a big fan of Wael and speak directly to him often, but im starting to lose faith ok if you speak to him often as you say what does he actually say??? The family are in it for the long haul. But long haul to where? I'd suggest ask DC, but even he has given up with them. I guess its a question of, who do you want to go, DC or the family? Coz you won't get both by the look of it. Answers on a postcard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 9:47:45 GMT
If you have a club that is losing a million quid a year on a basic set up and you spend more money thus increasing the debt you know solutions have to be made else the club goes under. option one sell to someone else and let them worry about it. option two downsize the operations whether the fans like it or not (if you only have income for conference or league two that's the level to be at) option three try to increase the income streams.
Option three is the preferred one but if that is not available then option two needs to be followed until option three becomes a possibility again.
The stadium issue is that UWE was a no go. The first fallback plan is to rebuild the Mem. This will need to be examined carefully. The outcome will either be
1) A large stadium can be built that has good income infrastructure. 2) A large stadium can be built with very limited income infrastructure. 3) A medium stadium can be built with good income infrastructure. 4) A medium stadium can be built with very limited income infrastructure. 5) A small stadium can be built with good income infrastructure. 6) A small stadium can be built with very limited income infrastructure. 7) no stadium is built and BRFC go bust.
Pretty obvious really. Until the club knows which options are on the table they can not do anything that might harm the clubs finances anymore. Until the club knows which options are available they can not source investment funds.
So if Hani was asked he would probably utter something similar to the above.
The studies may have already been done ? but the options available might only be numbers 4 & 5.
Would the club building a 10,000 stadium with great income sources be acceptable to fans ? what if that currently is the ONLY option possible at the Mem site ?
How quick would you be to announce this to the fans ? or would you keep quiet until you have explored the possibilities of other sites in the area ? or would you just spin some stories print some fantasy pictures of stadiums with blue seats in to keep the fans off your back for a few years..then blame someone else when it doesn't happen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 11:22:13 GMT
If you have a club that is losing a million quid a year on a basic set up and you spend more money thus increasing the debt you know solutions have to be made else the club goes under. option one sell to someone else and let them worry about it. option two downsize the operations whether the fans like it or not (if you only have income for conference or league two that's the level to be at) option three try to increase the income streams. Option three is the preferred one but if that is not available then option two needs to be followed until option three becomes a possibility again. The stadium issue is that UWE was a no go. The first fallback plan is to rebuild the Mem. This will need to be examined carefully. The outcome will either be 1) A large stadium can be built that has good income infrastructure. 2) A large stadium can be built with very limited income infrastructure. 3) A medium stadium can be built with good income infrastructure. 4) A medium stadium can be built with very limited income infrastructure. 5) A small stadium can be built with good income infrastructure. 6) A small stadium can be built with very limited income infrastructure. 7) no stadium is built and BRFC go bust. Pretty obvious really. Until the club knows which options are on the table they can not do anything that might harm the clubs finances anymore. Until the club knows which options are available they can not source investment funds. So if Hani was asked he would probably utter something similar to the above. The studies may have already been done ? but the options available might only be numbers 4 & 5. Would the club building a 10,000 stadium with great income sources be acceptable to fans ? what if that currently is the ONLY option possible at the Mem site ? How quick would you be to announce this to the fans ? or would you keep quiet until you have explored the possibilities of other sites in the area ? or would you just spin some stories print some fantasy pictures of stadiums with blue seats in to keep the fans off your back for a few years..then blame someone else when it doesn't happen. But that then begs the question of how have the club's debts increased to a million a year when crowds are higher than they have ever been and some first team defenders are on barely better than minimum wage. Are we really operating on a million pound infrastructure?!
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Post by peterhooper57 on Dec 2, 2017 11:33:31 GMT
Respect is perhaps the wrong word as I've no doubt they are a good family but one with divided loyalties. A younger brother who loves football and an older brother who has taken on the business responsibilities of his father and wants to protect the family's wealth. I think it's more about trust and being told one thing a year or so ago then thinks change with UWE and we really no longer know what the family's plans are for our club. Hani and DS have made a big mistake by not communicating with fans and indeed management. We all need to be pulling together but until we know the direction planned for the club that is going to be hard. A clear plan which is clearly communicated is essential if direction and trust are to be retored. The club is going backwards. There is no evidence of even any evolution. No real money spent on players. Bought a field, no subsequent planning applIcation and walked away from ever building a stadium. I agree the brothers appear to be at odds regarding the direction of the club, which means to momenentum at all. So l guess, it’s time for the Brothers to sell up and give the club a chance to progress.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 2, 2017 11:53:04 GMT
Would you just spin some stories print some fantasy pictures of stadiums with blue seats in to keep the fans off your back for a few years..then blame someone else when it doesn't happen. Haven't we seen this several times before already?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 12:15:00 GMT
If you have a club that is losing a million quid a year on a basic set up and you spend more money thus increasing the debt you know solutions have to be made else the club goes under. option one sell to someone else and let them worry about it. option two downsize the operations whether the fans like it or not (if you only have income for conference or league two that's the level to be at) option three try to increase the income streams. Option three is the preferred one but if that is not available then option two needs to be followed until option three becomes a possibility again. The stadium issue is that UWE was a no go. The first fallback plan is to rebuild the Mem. This will need to be examined carefully. The outcome will either be 1) A large stadium can be built that has good income infrastructure. 2) A large stadium can be built with very limited income infrastructure. 3) A medium stadium can be built with good income infrastructure. 4) A medium stadium can be built with very limited income infrastructure. 5) A small stadium can be built with good income infrastructure. 6) A small stadium can be built with very limited income infrastructure. 7) no stadium is built and BRFC go bust. Pretty obvious really. Until the club knows which options are on the table they can not do anything that might harm the clubs finances anymore. Until the club knows which options are available they can not source investment funds. So if Hani was asked he would probably utter something similar to the above. The studies may have already been done ? but the options available might only be numbers 4 & 5. Would the club building a 10,000 stadium with great income sources be acceptable to fans ? what if that currently is the ONLY option possible at the Mem site ? How quick would you be to announce this to the fans ? or would you keep quiet until you have explored the possibilities of other sites in the area ? or would you just spin some stories print some fantasy pictures of stadiums with blue seats in to keep the fans off your back for a few years..then blame someone else when it doesn't happen. But that then begs the question of how have the club's debts increased to a million a year when crowds are higher than they have ever been and some first team defenders are on barely better than minimum wage. Are we really operating on a million pound infrastructure?! The cost of the plethora of additional back room staff plus now having a salaried Chairman will be well over £1 million,maybe more than £2 million if we really need 15000 through the turnstiles to break even.
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Dec 2, 2017 12:27:42 GMT
IMO DS has underestimated the feeling of the fan base over the UWE situation. I think they also underestimated DC reaction & if he can get us comfortable in mid table, he will be off. Whether the UWE was right or wrong for the long term of the football club isn't really the issue for me. It seems obvious that DS looked at taking over the club, at what they deemed a bargain price, with the intention of building UWE, but on their terms only & as bankers they would have to fulfil their obligation to their investors first & foremost, they were either arrogant in believing it wouldn't be an issue or very naive, believing that as UWE also wanted the stadium they would bend over backwards to accommodate their wishes. When UWE wouldn't bend then the investors pulled out. As everything from building the Colony to investing in the team, seems to have all been reliant on UWE, coupled with the fact there has been no back up plan whatsoever, then I would like to think they have been naive & underestimated the situation ( despite all the so called expertise they brought on board ) SH - he just seems a mouthpiece & doesn't seem to have much idea of what is going on & makes things worse by his irritating comments such as landing lights on, likening us to the crazy gang, then last week using the Chelsea/Abramovich scenario to explain lack of comms, he even said last week that no one was more disappointed than him over the collapse of UWE-Really? As he apparently doesn't communicate with DC either, he should resign. They have chosen to buy our football club, I feel for Wael, as I really think he has become a fan, but the rest have no interest in football, hence I don't think they are in it for the long run - could Wael raise the investment on his own or could someone join in with him? Who knows but we cannot continue to lose money at the rate we are for too much longer, whist standing still on the infrastructure needed to support it i agree 100% with this sums my thoughts up perfectly
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Dec 2, 2017 12:40:55 GMT
I'm prepared to sit on the fence until we saw what players DC is allowed to bring in January. Tomorrow is a massive game and I will be there to give them 100% support. It will be counterproductive to start slagging them off on the pitch UTG careful mind, we ain't paid for the fence yet
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 2, 2017 12:43:55 GMT
I'm prepared to sit on the fence until we saw what players DC is allowed to bring in January. Tomorrow is a massive game and I will be there to give them 100% support. It will be counterproductive to start slagging them off on the pitch UTG careful mind, we ain't paid for the fence yet Yeah, if barumgas breaks it, he pays for it.
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Post by barumgas on Dec 2, 2017 14:02:53 GMT
careful mind, we ain't paid for the fence yet Yeah, if barumgas breaks it, he pays for it. I'm keeping my money for the January whip round to buy players
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Post by Big Jock on Dec 2, 2017 14:23:56 GMT
Do we now have a "venkys" style situation ? "Henbury Gas We asked 100 people: Who will achieve a new stadium and Championship football for Bristol Rovers" "You said - Wael Al Qadi" "Our survey said..............
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