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Post by miltongas on Jan 7, 2018 11:06:09 GMT
I have said for a long time that it is money that is killing our game It's not the money, it's the distribution of the money, imo. Totally agree AF. This is why much smaller clubs are folding and league clubs are ‘kept in their place’
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 11:55:39 GMT
Frightening amount. He's a class player no doubt but £142m is just crazy.
Sad to see money destroying the game at the top level. It's now out of hand and hard to see when it will end.
Money is a key reason behind the introduction of VAR too which will spoil the enjoyment of the game.
Give me the lower leagues over the Premier League every day of the week.
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Post by socrates on Jan 7, 2018 12:16:42 GMT
The sad thing about this is, we want to build a stadium for say40-50 million, that could effectively sort our future for a long time. One player can be worth that much, yet he won't even be playing in 10 years time!! It's obscene. Blimey, that will take up a fair bit of space.😜😜 With another 20 million locked outside.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 7, 2018 21:17:53 GMT
does any gas-head seriously want to be part of, or aspire to join the sickeningly rich elite of English or world football, whose players are pampered , selfish mercenaries , to whom the word loyalty (aka Bradford,Atyeo, Jarman,) is replaced by Royalties , and there greed is summed up by the very , very low take up of Juan Matas 1 percent of wage donated to charity initiative ,i dont think so! would rather watch us in the national league than watch that band of , on the whole very average players! Good riddance ford cortina , or what ever your name is , hopefully Liverpool will give a chance to some of there promising youngsters now but dont hold your breadth!
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Post by pirate on Jan 7, 2018 21:28:20 GMT
does any gas-head seriously want to be part of, or aspire to join the sickeningly rich elite of English or world football, whose players are pampered , selfish mercenaries , to whom the word loyalty (aka Bradford,Atyeo, Jarman,) is replaced by Royalties , and there greed is summed up by the very , very low take up of Juan Matas 1 percent of wage donated to charity initiative ,i dont think so! would rather watch us in the national league than watch that band of , on the whole very average players! Good riddance ford cortina , or what ever your name is , hopefully Liverpool will give a chance to some of there promising youngsters now but dont hold your breadth! Yes, I'd want Rovers to join the rich elite of English or world football. Definitely. Trent Alexander-Arnold has played for Liverpool quite a bit this season. If they're good enough and ready, they'll get their chance.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Jan 7, 2018 22:43:23 GMT
The premier league is like the royal family Too much money and no idea how to spend it The gap widens between them and us
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 7, 2018 23:13:22 GMT
does any gas-head seriously want to be part of, or aspire to join the sickeningly rich elite of English or world football, whose players are pampered , selfish mercenaries , to whom the word loyalty (aka Bradford,Atyeo, Jarman,) is replaced by Royalties , and there greed is summed up by the very , very low take up of Juan Matas 1 percent of wage donated to charity initiative ,i dont think so! would rather watch us in the national league than watch that band of , on the whole very average players! Good riddance ford cortina , or what ever your name is , hopefully Liverpool will give a chance to some of there promising youngsters now but dont hold your breadth! Yes, I'd want Rovers to join the rich elite of English or world football. Definitely. Trent Alexander-Arnold has played for Liverpool quite a bit this season. If they're good enough and ready, they'll get their chance. Seeing the PL regularly at Bournemouth I understand what rh means. Fans around me have forgotten where they came from. It’s understandable I suppose but the dogs abuse the players get when they are losing is beyond that I hear when I come to the Mem. 5/6 players at Bournemouth are still the same as those they had in League 1 and are seriously over-achieving but they still get stick. Although it’s a good atmosphere, far better than that at some away grounds it’s still not as good as the Mem. After a year or two they now have a sense of entitlement. Blimey, they don’t even give the half times of other leagues now. It’s as if they’ve forgotten about passing the buckets around 10 years or so ago. And to rub salt into the wound there’s talk they are buying a forward from Colchester for £1m, and he’s probably nowhere near as good as Billy B. And when they buy him he’ll be put in their development squad and won’t be near making the first team. PL teams appear to hoover up the talent just in case they might be good enough, and if they don’t make it well they’ll have been paid well and will have spent their good years doing very little. But I bet we’d all like a go at it! 😉 UTG!
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Post by nailseamark on Jan 7, 2018 23:21:11 GMT
Yes, I'd want Rovers to join the rich elite of English or world football. Definitely. Trent Alexander-Arnold has played for Liverpool quite a bit this season. If they're good enough and ready, they'll get their chance. Seeing the PL regularly at Bournemouth I understand what rh means. Fans around me have forgotten where they came from. It’s understandable I suppose but the dogs abuse the players get when they are losing is beyond that I hear when I come to the Mem. 5/6 players at Bournemouth are still the same as those they had in League 1 and are seriously over-achieving but they still get stick. Although it’s a good atmosphere, far better than that at some away grounds it’s still not as good as the Mem. After a year or two they now have a sense of entitlement. Blimey, they don’t even give the half times of other leagues now. It’s as if they’ve forgotten about passing the buckets around 10 years or so ago. And to rub salt into the wound there’s talk they are buying a forward from Colchester for £1m, and he’s probably nowhere near as good as Billy B. And when they buy him he’ll be put in their development squad and won’t be near making the first team. PL teams appear to hoover up the talent just in case they might be good enough, and if they don’t make it well they’ll have been paid well and will have spent their good years doing very little. But I bet we’d all like a go at it! 😉 UTG! Disgusting little club with the biggest sense of self entitlement you will ever see. Only there because they have a billionaire owner.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 7, 2018 23:48:15 GMT
Seeing the PL regularly at Bournemouth I understand what rh means. Fans around me have forgotten where they came from. It’s understandable I suppose but the dogs abuse the players get when they are losing is beyond that I hear when I come to the Mem. 5/6 players at Bournemouth are still the same as those they had in League 1 and are seriously over-achieving but they still get stick. Although it’s a good atmosphere, far better than that at some away grounds it’s still not as good as the Mem. After a year or two they now have a sense of entitlement. Blimey, they don’t even give the half times of other leagues now. It’s as if they’ve forgotten about passing the buckets around 10 years or so ago. And to rub salt into the wound there’s talk they are buying a forward from Colchester for £1m, and he’s probably nowhere near as good as Billy B. And when they buy him he’ll be put in their development squad and won’t be near making the first team. PL teams appear to hoover up the talent just in case they might be good enough, and if they don’t make it well they’ll have been paid well and will have spent their good years doing very little. But I bet we’d all like a go at it! 😉 UTG! Disgusting little club with the biggest sense of self entitlement you will ever see. Only there because they have a billionaire owner. Maxim Demin, Bournemouth's owner is nowhere near to being a billionaire. His net worth is approx £100M.
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Post by pirate on Jan 7, 2018 23:53:57 GMT
Disgusting little club with the biggest sense of self entitlement you will ever see. Only there because they have a billionaire owner. Maxim Demin, Bournemouth's owner is nowhere near to being a billionaire. His net worth is approx £100M. A pauper compared to the Al Qadi's.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 8, 2018 0:01:14 GMT
Maxim Demin, Bournemouth's owner is nowhere near to being a billionaire. His net worth is approx £100M. A pauper compared to the Al Qadi's. Exactly. This notion that Bournemouth are being bankrolled by a hugely wealthy multi Billionaire is absolute nonsense.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 8, 2018 0:02:38 GMT
Seeing the PL regularly at Bournemouth I understand what rh means. Fans around me have forgotten where they came from. It’s understandable I suppose but the dogs abuse the players get when they are losing is beyond that I hear when I come to the Mem. 5/6 players at Bournemouth are still the same as those they had in League 1 and are seriously over-achieving but they still get stick. Although it’s a good atmosphere, far better than that at some away grounds it’s still not as good as the Mem. After a year or two they now have a sense of entitlement. Blimey, they don’t even give the half times of other leagues now. It’s as if they’ve forgotten about passing the buckets around 10 years or so ago. And to rub salt into the wound there’s talk they are buying a forward from Colchester for £1m, and he’s probably nowhere near as good as Billy B. And when they buy him he’ll be put in their development squad and won’t be near making the first team. PL teams appear to hoover up the talent just in case they might be good enough, and if they don’t make it well they’ll have been paid well and will have spent their good years doing very little. But I bet we’d all like a go at it! 😉 UTG! Disgusting little club with the biggest sense of self entitlement you will ever see. Only there because they have a billionaire owner. No, that’s very harsh. Denim came onto the scene when they were in Championship. They got to the Championship with little money but a very good manager and a plan to play good football. True, they spent a bit to get to the PL but blimey they have 5/6 regulars who were in League 1, that’s good management imo. Point I was making is in the PL it would all change and you’re never recognise the team and club you used to have. Good or bad! UTG!
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Post by socrates on Jan 8, 2018 0:15:01 GMT
does any gas-head seriously want to be part of, or aspire to join the sickeningly rich elite of English or world football, whose players are pampered , selfish mercenaries , to whom the word loyalty (aka Bradford,Atyeo, Jarman,) is replaced by Royalties , and there greed is summed up by the very , very low take up of Juan Matas 1 percent of wage donated to charity initiative ,i dont think so! would rather watch us in the national league than watch that band of , on the whole very average players! Good riddance ford cortina , or what ever your name is , hopefully Liverpool will give a chance to some of there promising youngsters now but dont hold your breadth! You can play in the premier league and succeed with a team full of tough battling players and a great English manager. Would I want Rovers to be like Burnley are currently ? Yes I would.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 8, 2018 0:33:38 GMT
Disgusting little club with the biggest sense of self entitlement you will ever see. Only there because they have a billionaire owner. No, that’s very harsh. Denim came onto the scene when they were in Championship. They got to the Championship with little money but a very good manager and a plan to play good football. True, they spent a bit to get to the PL but blimey they have 5/6 regulars who were in League 1, that’s good management imo. Point I was making is in the PL it would all change and you’re never recognise the team and club you used to have. Good or bad! UTG! Demin became co-owner of Bournemouth in 2011. He didn't pump loads of money into the club. Their success upto The Championship was down to selling players for a profit and bringing in better players for less money, a remedy for success. In 2010-11 they sold Brett Pitman to City for 900k, Josh McQoid to Millwall for 600k and Marvin Bartley to Burnley for 400k. The players they brought in for fee's were Marc Pugh from Hereford for £100k and Harry Arter from Woking for £120k, both players who are still playing for Bournemouth now in The Premier League, a profit of £1.8M. In 2011-12 they sold Danny Ings to Burnley for £1M, Jason Pearce to Pompey for £500k, Anton Robinson to Huddersfield for £300k and Liam Feeney to Milwall for 200k. Thats £2M they made on transfers. The players they brought in were Matt Tubbs from Crawley for £800k, Charlie Daniels(Another player still at the club) from Orient for £200k, Scott Malone from Wolves for £250k and Steve Cook(Another player still at the club) from Brighton for £150k. Thats roughly £1.6M spent, again a profit of £400k. In 2012-13 they sold Scott Malone to Millwall for £850k(a £600k profit for what they bought him for) and bought Ryan Fraser(Aberdeen and another one still at the club), Matt Ritchie(Swindon), Lewis Grabban(Rotherham) and Tommy Elphick(Brighton) for a combined total of about £1.2M, which if you include the money they made from the previous transfers it's still a healthy profit. You get the picture. The majority of the money Bournemouth spent on transfers getting to The Premier League was a result of selling players and bringing in better players who were cheaper than the ones they sold. Maxim Denim is not a billionaire and they haven't just spent fortunes on player transfers to get to The Premier League. Since they've got there is another matter though.
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Post by pirate on Jan 8, 2018 1:03:24 GMT
No, that’s very harsh. Denim came onto the scene when they were in Championship. They got to the Championship with little money but a very good manager and a plan to play good football. True, they spent a bit to get to the PL but blimey they have 5/6 regulars who were in League 1, that’s good management imo. Point I was making is in the PL it would all change and you’re never recognise the team and club you used to have. Good or bad! UTG! Demin became co-owner of Bournemouth in 2011. He didn't pump loads of money into the club. Their success upto The Championship was down to selling players for a profit and bringing in better players for less money, a remedy for success. In 2010-11 they sold Brett Pitman to City for 900k, Josh McQoid to Millwall for 600k and Marvin Bartley to Burnley for 400k. The players they brought in for fee's were Marc Pugh from Hereford for £100k and Harry Arter from Woking for £120k, both players who are still playing for Bournemouth now in The Premier League, a profit of £1.8M. In 2011-12 they sold Danny Ings to Burnley for £1M, Jason Pearce to Pompey for £500k, Anton Robinson to Huddersfield for £300k and Liam Feeney to Milwall for 200k. Thats £2M they made on transfers. The players they brought in were Matt Tubbs from Crawley for £800k, Charlie Daniels(Another player still at the club) from Orient for £200k, Scott Malone from Wolves for £250k and Steve Cook(Another player still at the club) from Brighton for £150k. Thats roughly £1.6M spent, again a profit of £400k. In 2012-13 they sold Scott Malone to Millwall for £850k(a £600k profit for what they bought him for) and bought Ryan Fraser(Aberdeen and another one still at the club), Matt Ritchie(Swindon), Lewis Grabban(Rotherham) and Tommy Elphick(Brighton) for a combined total of about £1.2M, which if you include the money they made from the previous transfers it's still a healthy profit. You get the picture. The majority of the money Bournemouth spent on transfers getting to The Premier League was a result of selling players and bringing in better players who were cheaper than the ones they sold. Maxim Denim is not a billionaire and they haven't just spent fortunes on player transfers to get to The Premier League. Since they've got there is another matter though. Fantastic business in the market and something I hope we can achieve in the near future. Peterborough have done something similar with relative success and it also reminds me of a quote from years ago by a certain Mr Holloway: "I hope to bring the right age group that will become sellable assets in the future and hopefully I'll replace them before they get sold on so we have a continuing loop of good players."
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 8, 2018 1:24:39 GMT
Demin became co-owner of Bournemouth in 2011. He didn't pump loads of money into the club. Their success upto The Championship was down to selling players for a profit and bringing in better players for less money, a remedy for success. In 2010-11 they sold Brett Pitman to City for 900k, Josh McQoid to Millwall for 600k and Marvin Bartley to Burnley for 400k. The players they brought in for fee's were Marc Pugh from Hereford for £100k and Harry Arter from Woking for £120k, both players who are still playing for Bournemouth now in The Premier League, a profit of £1.8M. In 2011-12 they sold Danny Ings to Burnley for £1M, Jason Pearce to Pompey for £500k, Anton Robinson to Huddersfield for £300k and Liam Feeney to Milwall for 200k. Thats £2M they made on transfers. The players they brought in were Matt Tubbs from Crawley for £800k, Charlie Daniels(Another player still at the club) from Orient for £200k, Scott Malone from Wolves for £250k and Steve Cook(Another player still at the club) from Brighton for £150k. Thats roughly £1.6M spent, again a profit of £400k. In 2012-13 they sold Scott Malone to Millwall for £850k(a £600k profit for what they bought him for) and bought Ryan Fraser(Aberdeen and another one still at the club), Matt Ritchie(Swindon), Lewis Grabban(Rotherham) and Tommy Elphick(Brighton) for a combined total of about £1.2M, which if you include the money they made from the previous transfers it's still a healthy profit. You get the picture. The majority of the money Bournemouth spent on transfers getting to The Premier League was a result of selling players and bringing in better players who were cheaper than the ones they sold. Maxim Denim is not a billionaire and they haven't just spent fortunes on player transfers to get to The Premier League. Since they've got there is another matter though. Fantastic business in the market and something I hope we can achieve in the near future. Peterborough have done something similar with relative success and it also reminds me of a quote from years ago by a certain Mr Holloway: "I hope to bring the right age group that will become sellable assets in the future and hopefully I'll replace them before they get sold on so we have a continuing loop of good players." Absolutely. They have been superb in the transfer market. Bournemouth are the benchmark we should be looking at on how to be successful. It's absolute nonsense when people spout that they have only got to The Premier League because they have a billionaire owner, 1. He's nowhere near to being a billionaire, and 2. In the grand scheme of Football owners he's not that wealthy at all. The Al-Qadi's net worth is circa 5 times more than his for example. It also proves that just because you make money from players you dont always have to spend similar amounts on the replacements you bring in. The 400/500k(Or whatever the undisclosed fee is) we received from Bodin, doesn't all have to be spent on 1 or 2 replacements, if you are clever in the transfer market, you could bring in 4/5 players who are better than you've got. If you consider Bournemouth signed Marc Pugh, Harry Arter, Charlie Daniels, Steve Cook and Ryan Fraser for a combined total of around £700k and are all still playing Premier League at the club now, shows what can be done if you are prudent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 1:43:38 GMT
I think wael wants to produce good young players and the development squad have done very well in a short space of time,with many now being loaned out to semi-pro clubs. It was noticeable that we sacked our chief academy coach recently,for me at least a sign that the club are putting a big emphasise on youth. People say peterbro have done well by making profit on signings but to what end? Their 2 promotions to the championship have resulted in immediate relegation and the rest of the time they have been a league 1 team of no great stature. The thing thats kept me onside with the owners is my belief that they want to create a great youth system at rovers and that progress has clearly been made in that area. I/we do need to see the scaled down colony being built to confirm this but its an area where i see hope for the future.
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Post by pirate on Jan 8, 2018 2:26:08 GMT
I think wael wants to produce good young players and the development squad have done very well in a short space of time,with many now being loaned out to semi-pro clubs. It was noticeable that we sacked our chief academy coach recently,for me at least a sign that the club are putting a big emphasise on youth. People say peterbro have done well by making profit on signings but to what end? Their 2 promotions to the championship have resulted in immediate relegation and the rest of the time they have been a league 1 team of no great stature. The thing thats kept me onside with the owners is my belief that they want to create a great youth system at rovers and that progress has clearly been made in that area. I/we do need to see the scaled down colony being built to confirm this but its an area where i see hope for the future. At least Peterborough have had a couple of cracks at the Championship, when was the last time we were at that level? The £21 million profit is not to be sniffed at and their approach has enable the posh fans the chance to watch the likes of George Boyd, Britt Assombalonga Lee Tomlin and Dwight Gayle strut their stuff and also bring in the likes of Marriott and Maddison, also now linked with multi million pound moves. They also improved their ground recently, building the Motorpoint Stand, which is a bit better than the couple of tents we have managed...
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 8, 2018 9:49:15 GMT
No, that’s very harsh. Denim came onto the scene when they were in Championship. They got to the Championship with little money but a very good manager and a plan to play good football. True, they spent a bit to get to the PL but blimey they have 5/6 regulars who were in League 1, that’s good management imo. Point I was making is in the PL it would all change and you’re never recognise the team and club you used to have. Good or bad! UTG! Demin became co-owner of Bournemouth in 2011. He didn't pump loads of money into the club. Their success upto The Championship was down to selling players for a profit and bringing in better players for less money, a remedy for success. In 2010-11 they sold Brett Pitman to City for 900k, Josh McQoid to Millwall for 600k and Marvin Bartley to Burnley for 400k. The players they brought in for fee's were Marc Pugh from Hereford for £100k and Harry Arter from Woking for £120k, both players who are still playing for Bournemouth now in The Premier League, a profit of £1.8M. In 2011-12 they sold Danny Ings to Burnley for £1M, Jason Pearce to Pompey for £500k, Anton Robinson to Huddersfield for £300k and Liam Feeney to Milwall for 200k. Thats £2M they made on transfers. The players they brought in were Matt Tubbs from Crawley for £800k, Charlie Daniels(Another player still at the club) from Orient for £200k, Scott Malone from Wolves for £250k and Steve Cook(Another player still at the club) from Brighton for £150k. Thats roughly £1.6M spent, again a profit of £400k. In 2012-13 they sold Scott Malone to Millwall for £850k(a £600k profit for what they bought him for) and bought Ryan Fraser(Aberdeen and another one still at the club), Matt Ritchie(Swindon), Lewis Grabban(Rotherham) and Tommy Elphick(Brighton) for a combined total of about £1.2M, which if you include the money they made from the previous transfers it's still a healthy profit. You get the picture. The majority of the money Bournemouth spent on transfers getting to The Premier League was a result of selling players and bringing in better players who were cheaper than the ones they sold. Maxim Denim is not a billionaire and they haven't just spent fortunes on player transfers to get to The Premier League. Since they've got there is another matter though. Thanks gastafari. But because I’m a st holder at Bournemouth I don’t like to say too much on a Rovers forum, most aren’t interested. Bournemouth are a well run club now. (and that seems to make it worse from Rovers point of view!) And I’m always blown away by the statistic that Smith, Cook, Francis, Daniels, Pugh, Arter are still pretty much regulars and were in League 1. Those early years of success were when a guy called Eddie Mitchell was owner. A colourful character, one who fell out with Maxim Denim once Denim took control. Strange but in Bournemouth history Mitchell has been airbrushed out and is never mentioned, yet most of us know he saved them when they were about to go to the wall. No Eddie Mitchell, no Bournemouth. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 11:47:45 GMT
I think wael wants to produce good young players and the development squad have done very well in a short space of time,with many now being loaned out to semi-pro clubs. It was noticeable that we sacked our chief academy coach recently,for me at least a sign that the club are putting a big emphasise on youth. People say peterbro have done well by making profit on signings but to what end? Their 2 promotions to the championship have resulted in immediate relegation and the rest of the time they have been a league 1 team of no great stature. The thing thats kept me onside with the owners is my belief that they want to create a great youth system at rovers and that progress has clearly been made in that area. I/we do need to see the scaled down colony being built to confirm this but its an area where i see hope for the future. At least Peterborough have had a couple of cracks at the Championship, when was the last time we were at that level? The £21 million profit is not to be sniffed at and their approach has enable the posh fans the chance to watch the likes of George Boyd, Britt Assombalonga Lee Tomlin and Dwight Gayle strut their stuff and also bring in the likes of Marriott and Maddison, also now linked with multi million pound moves. They also improved their ground recently, building the Motorpoint Stand, which is a bit better than the couple of tents we have managed... Mcanthony has been at the club for 12 years though so its a bit unfair to compare him with our owners. I just think whats the point of selling loads of players at great profit but still being in league 1?
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