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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 9, 2018 10:11:14 GMT
My big fear is us going through this whole window and then ending up with a loanee or 2, a freebie or a short term contract on a player with a popint to prove that nobody else wants to gamble on. I can see the excuses already, "January transfer window is difficult to get right". I just hope we don't gamble on our league one status. I don't think we'll go down but I don't want to take a massive risk on that either. We have a decent £400k to spend minimum from the sale of Bodin. We will have had a month to look for a replacement and new signings. Sorry for being so sceptical. At least we can't have the excuse last year that it was too late to do anything after Matty Taylor left late in the window. You would like to think a lot of groundwork would have been made between our last game and the game vs Blackpool on Saturday. My original worry with Bodin was that we would have the same situation with Taylor where he left late in the window and we were told Luke James was his replacement (Which he was originally). I can just see us getting by with loanees until the end of the season, finishing mid table but once again scrambling about late before the start of next season and struggling again. What worries me most with DC was his interview at the end of November, stating he didn't know where he was shopping. That is terrible and even if we aren't going to spend big then DC will need to know what we do have to spend. You would think with our owners being wankers bankers that they would have all the finances planned for the transfer window. My only hope with that interview is because he meant he didn't know what was happening with Bodin but even then you would like to think some sort of contingency plans were in place for if Bodin was to stay or go. If Bodin had stayed then I wonder if he would have next to nothing to spend, probably so. It's just frustrating, I feel we have the best manager we've ever had and now was the time to push on but we're stagnating and potentially dicing with our league one status. There is so much pressure on a £400k signing here than other clubs too because we don't make signings like that willy nilly. I seen that Lambert interview over christmas and he said when he wasn't scoring how much pressure he felt under from the board with one of them even saying "Well it wasn't my choice to sign him". I don't necessarily want to see us spend fortunes but a couple of £200k signings for example would get the juices flowing. Young hungry players working their way up. Maybe another experienced head too in the middle. That would do me. I agree to an extent but a couple of good players who go straight into the team would be ok. It would be better to be our players but loanees would be ok and in the end it’s the quality of them which will be important. One of which has to replace BB. Like you I would like them to be younger players on the way up. From DCs interview about spending all this week on the phone I got the impression it is he who does the transfers and not SH but at Rovers you’re never sure. I also get the impression that in terms of infrastructure it is the recruitment area where we are miles behind others. In other words DC does it all! UTG! The recruitment area is the most important part for me to get right and the scouting as if we invest and utilise that well then it could pay dividends. Loanees would be ok but not long term unless we have the opportunity to sign them at the end of it. Younger players on the way up is definitely the way forward as they generally want it more and more likely to make us more money in the future.
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Post by Gasshole on Jan 9, 2018 10:15:09 GMT
It’s a worry that Mr Worry is Blue, I’ll bet Mr Tw@t is red.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 9, 2018 10:33:52 GMT
My big fear is us going through this whole window and then ending up with a loanee or 2, a freebie or a short term contract on a player with a popint to prove that nobody else wants to gamble on. I can see the excuses already, "January transfer window is difficult to get right". I just hope we don't gamble on our league one status. I don't think we'll go down but I don't want to take a massive risk on that either. We have a decent £400k to spend minimum from the sale of Bodin. We will have had a month to look for a replacement and new signings. Sorry for being so sceptical. At least we can't have the excuse last year that it was too late to do anything after Matty Taylor left late in the window. You would like to think a lot of groundwork would have been made between our last game and the game vs Blackpool on Saturday. My original worry with Bodin was that we would have the same situation with Taylor where he left late in the window and we were told Luke James was his replacement (Which he was originally). I can just see us getting by with loanees until the end of the season, finishing mid table but once again scrambling about late before the start of next season and struggling again. What worries me most with DC was his interview at the end of November, stating he didn't know where he was shopping. That is terrible and even if we aren't going to spend big then DC will need to know what we do have to spend. You would think with our owners being wankers bankers that they would have all the finances planned for the transfer window. My only hope with that interview is because he meant he didn't know what was happening with Bodin but even then you would like to think some sort of contingency plans were in place for if Bodin was to stay or go. If Bodin had stayed then I wonder if he would have next to nothing to spend, probably so. It's just frustrating, I feel we have the best manager we've ever had and now was the time to push on but we're stagnating and potentially dicing with our league one status. There is so much pressure on a £400k signing here than other clubs too because we don't make signings like that willy nilly. I seen that Lambert interview over christmas and he said when he wasn't scoring how much pressure he felt under from the board with one of them even saying "Well it wasn't my choice to sign him". I don't necessarily want to see us spend fortunes but a couple of £200k signings for example would get the juices flowing. Young hungry players working their way up. Maybe another experienced head too in the middle. That would do me. With the £400/500K we received for Bodin, if you're prudent and do your homework in regards to scouting and going out and watching games then you dont have to"Spend Fortunes", you can get hold of 4/5 players to make your team better with that money. I posted in another thread, that Bournemouth when in League One bought Marc Pugh(Hereford), Harry Arter(Woking) Charlie Daniels(Orient) and Steve Cook(Brighton), if you add up all their fee's together they cost roughly a combined £500k. All 4 of them have been instrumental in their rise to The Premier League and are still regular starters in The Premier League too.
They are the benchmark in regards to selling players for a hefty profit and bringing in better players for far less than the ones they sold. It's the perfect remedy for success. That makes me cry ! Stop being so informative !!
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Post by markczgas on Jan 9, 2018 10:35:11 GMT
They won't make it to the prem though Matty Taylor probably wont. But there's no reason why Billy Bodin can't. Doesn't have the pace. Should do a good job in Champ.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jan 9, 2018 10:36:18 GMT
We have already gambled on the clubs future by letting Bodin go on day one of the window, and signing nobody by day nine. FGR signed Reubin Reid last Friday, on a 2 1/2 year deal, he scores a cracking winner on Saturday. 3 points thank you very much. Blackpool have signed Joe Lumley, we have signed nobody, always feeling sorry for ourselves, ******** get on with it, and make this fantastic club great.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 10:54:32 GMT
A good scouting network should pay for itself over the years and would be the best £100k a year investment the club could make. A good chief scout and 2 or 3 good part-timers could really give us the edge in recruiting up-and-coming players as well are tracking more established players would might become free-agents etc.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 9, 2018 11:03:34 GMT
I think every single one of us is worried about it too. History tends to repeat itself and we’ve pretty much always not replaced our goalscorers and then got relegated. Why do some people start making things up when they become fearful and start panicking. I have done a quick bit of research and found that Rovers are a 134 year old club. In that time they have been relegated 6 times. If put statistically that's once every 22 years. I haven't researched how many times we have sold (or released) a striker but there must be many perhaps at least 134. If the above comment is true that pretty much means every time a strikers goes Rovers get relegated thus the stats would reveal we got relegated every 1 or 2 years. Lighten up get rid of your fears relax and enjoy the ride. Nobody knows whats around the corner. Recent history suggests otherwise, we sold Roberts & Cureton, then got relegated, sold Lambert then got relegated, DC needs to come up with a plan in January to replale the 10 or so goals BB would have scored or we could find ourselves in a relegation fight.
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Post by Raj Gas on Jan 9, 2018 11:05:00 GMT
I'd settle for a couple of good loan signings over a couple of permanent signings of players with issues, who are the most available at this stage in the season. I know what you're saying. I just don't like temporary solutions as we'll have the same problems in the summer. Also it would be good to integrate new signings so they don't need time to bed in next season. I understand your concerns GGMI but this season I would take both an experienced defender and midfielder on loan if DC play's them. I think we need to ensure we grind out results, stay up and then reappraise the situation in the summer when hopefully all the off-field stuff will be improving and clearer.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 9, 2018 11:13:57 GMT
I know what you're saying. I just don't like temporary solutions as we'll have the same problems in the summer. Also it would be good to integrate new signings so they don't need time to bed in next season. I understand your concerns GGMI but this season I would take both an experienced defender and midfielder on loan if DC play's them. I think we need to ensure we grind out results, stay up and then reappraise the situation in the summer when hopefully all the off-field stuff will be improving and clearer. Agreed, but we have NO wide players of worth with Billy gone now - having no-one on the left has also held us back this season.
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Post by LJG on Jan 9, 2018 11:14:45 GMT
Why do some people start making things up when they become fearful and start panicking. I have done a quick bit of research and found that Rovers are a 134 year old club. In that time they have been relegated 6 times. If put statistically that's once every 22 years. I haven't researched how many times we have sold (or released) a striker but there must be many perhaps at least 134. If the above comment is true that pretty much means every time a strikers goes Rovers get relegated thus the stats would reveal we got relegated every 1 or 2 years. Lighten up get rid of your fears relax and enjoy the ride. Nobody knows whats around the corner. Recent history suggests otherwise, we sold Roberts & Cureton, then got relegated, sold Lambert then got relegated, DC needs to come up with a plan in January to replale the 10 or so goals BB would have scored or we could find ourselves in a relegation fight. Recent history doesn't really suggest anything of the sort. We sold Lambert on 10 August 2009. We weren't relegated in the 09/10 season. We were relegated in the 10/11 season when Will Hoskins scored 20 goals in 47 appearances. We sold Hoskins on 20 May 2011 and were not relegated from League 2 that season. We Sold Taylor in January last year and as far as I remember were not relegated.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 9, 2018 11:20:13 GMT
Recent history suggests otherwise, we sold Roberts & Cureton, then got relegated, sold Lambert then got relegated, DC needs to come up with a plan in January to replale the 10 or so goals BB would have scored or we could find ourselves in a relegation fight. Recent history doesn't really suggest anything of the sort. We sold Lambert on 10 August 2009. We weren't relegated in the 09/10 season. We were relegated in the 10/11 season when Will Hoskins scored 20 goals in 47 appearances. We sold Hoskins on 20 May 2011 and were not relegated from League 2 that season. We Sold Taylor in January last year and as far as I remember were not relegated. We sold John Taylor(Not relegated), sold Marcus Stewart(Not relegated), sold Hayles and Beadle(Not relegated), sold Ellington(Not relegated), sold Junior Agogo(Not relegated)..................
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Post by markczgas on Jan 9, 2018 11:22:19 GMT
Recent history doesn't really suggest anything of the sort. We sold Lambert on 10 August 2009. We weren't relegated in the 09/10 season. We were relegated in the 10/11 season when Will Hoskins scored 20 goals in 47 appearances. We sold Hoskins on 20 May 2011 and were not relegated from League 2 that season. We Sold Taylor in January last year and as far as I remember were not relegated. We sold John Taylor(Not relegated), sold Marcus Stewart(Not relegated), sold Hayles and Beadle(Not relegated), sold Ellington(Not relegated), sold Junior Agogo(Not relegated).................. to be fair - he said relegation fight ...... and I don't disagree with him about that.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 9, 2018 11:28:57 GMT
We sold John Taylor(Not relegated), sold Marcus Stewart(Not relegated), sold Hayles and Beadle(Not relegated), sold Ellington(Not relegated), sold Junior Agogo(Not relegated).................. to be fair - he said relegation fight ...... and I don't disagree with him about that. I dont disagree with him about that either. The 9 or so games Billy missed through injury, we lost, pretty much proves that. But history does not suggest that when we sell our top scorers we instantly get relegated.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 9, 2018 11:30:01 GMT
We did alright when Penrice was sold. We didn't get relegated after selling Steve White or Trevor Morgan or Marcus Stewart.
There is evidence on both sides but is there any real correlation?
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Post by Raj Gas on Jan 9, 2018 11:37:51 GMT
I understand your concerns GGMI but this season I would take both an experienced defender and midfielder on loan if DC play's them. I think we need to ensure we grind out results, stay up and then reappraise the situation in the summer when hopefully all the off-field stuff will be improving and clearer. Agreed, but we have NO wide players of worth with Billy gone now - having no-one on the left has also held us back this season. Problem is they are so hit and miss, in my 40+ years I can only think of a handful that were good, in fact I always used to think BB reminded me of Boris and I am not sure if you would classify them as out and out wingers? Wingers always seem to be what everyone wants but they alway seem to get the most stick!
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 9, 2018 11:48:44 GMT
For goodness sake !'big worry'?calm down, and dont panic Mr .Mainwairing! Gas heads and everyone else have more to worry about than our transfer dealings!This thread along with Taylor gate and now Bodin balls keeps rearing its now boring head , and its time for some new positive chat,also we have not just scraped through the last couple of years, we were a couple of wins of the play offs last year and most gas eds would have taken a comfortable 10 Th place at the start of season,its only because we flirted with play offs that some were a little disappointed. This year, while a bit stop go , we are only a couple of wins or so from lift off , and if we could do a Plymouth type run ........fair play to them as well!Agree with the scouting ideas, its vital for clubs like ours to discover the Bassas and Brunos , Martyns and so on and so on we have found loads of em and can do so again, and do you know what theirs prob many a n experienced eye out there, ex players etc who would do it for expenses only , purely for there love of the club! Lets go and get em!Dont want to be wasting cash on has been's and cast offs, on wards and upwards!
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jan 9, 2018 11:57:14 GMT
We did alright when Penrice was sold. We didn't get relegated after selling Steve White or Trevor Morgan or Marcus Stewart. There is evidence on both sides but is there any real correlation? As I recall BRFC sold Penny for £500k, sold Nigel Martyn to Crystal Palace for £1.1M, who gave us Brian Parkin ffs, and the club did ok. Why the club cannot do similar deals now a days without moaning, I just do not understand.
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Post by Gashead73 on Jan 9, 2018 12:00:22 GMT
We did alright when Penrice was sold. We didn't get relegated after selling Steve White or Trevor Morgan or Marcus Stewart. There is evidence on both sides but is there any real correlation? As I recall BRFC sold Penny for £500k, sold Nigel Martyn to Crystal Palace for £1.1M, who gave us Brian Parkin ffs, and the club did ok. Why the club cannot do similar deals now a days without moaning, I just do not understand. Totally agreed 100%
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 9, 2018 12:04:28 GMT
We have already gambled on the clubs future by letting Bodin go on day one of the window, and signing nobody by day nine. FGR signed Reubin Reid last Friday, on a 2 1/2 year deal, he scores a cracking winner on Saturday. 3 points thank you very much. Blackpool have signed Joe Lumley, we have signed nobody, always feeling sorry for ourselves, ******** get on with it, and make this fantastic club great. We have somebody in the house as dippy trols used to say
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Post by dinsdale on Jan 9, 2018 12:09:41 GMT
My big fear is us going through this whole window and then ending up with a loanee or 2, a freebie or a short term contract on a player with a popint to prove that nobody else wants to gamble on. I can see the excuses already, "January transfer window is difficult to get right". I just hope we don't gamble on our league one status. I don't think we'll go down but I don't want to take a massive risk on that either. We have a decent £400k to spend minimum from the sale of Bodin. We will have had a month to look for a replacement and new signings. Sorry for being so sceptical. At least we can't have the excuse last year that it was too late to do anything after Matty Taylor left late in the window. You would like to think a lot of groundwork would have been made between our last game and the game vs Blackpool on Saturday. My original worry with Bodin was that we would have the same situation with Taylor where he left late in the window and we were told Luke James was his replacement (Which he was originally). I can just see us getting by with loanees until the end of the season, finishing mid table but once again scrambling about late before the start of next season and struggling again. What worries me most with DC was his interview at the end of November, stating he didn't know where he was shopping. That is terrible and even if we aren't going to spend big then DC will need to know what we do have to spend. You would think with our owners being wankers bankers that they would have all the finances planned for the transfer window. My only hope with that interview is because he meant he didn't know what was happening with Bodin but even then you would like to think some sort of contingency plans were in place for if Bodin was to stay or go. If Bodin had stayed then I wonder if he would have next to nothing to spend, probably so. It's just frustrating, I feel we have the best manager we've ever had and now was the time to push on but we're stagnating and potentially dicing with our league one status. There is so much pressure on a £400k signing here than other clubs too because we don't make signings like that willy nilly. I seen that Lambert interview over christmas and he said when he wasn't scoring how much pressure he felt under from the board with one of them even saying "Well it wasn't my choice to sign him". I don't necessarily want to see us spend fortunes but a couple of £200k signings for example would get the juices flowing. Young hungry players working their way up. Maybe another experienced head too in the middle. That would do me. Ggmi My concern for some time has been recruitment. Its nowhere near where we need to be and with decent recruitment we can move forwards as a club with or without big investment. The reliance on agents ahead of our own scouting is a terrible thing.
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