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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 9, 2018 12:09:58 GMT
They got people in who can spot these players we couldn't spot a Harry Kane up the downs nowadays Both Matty Taylor and Billy Bodin cost us nothing. Even we can do it. Exactly. Add in Broadbent and Partington into the mix and we can spot players at good value who can make the step up. It will never be an exact science but the margin for error is big. With proven players for big fees the margin for error is small, so DC gets slated for bringing in Nichols and doesn't seem to get the same credit for an excellent call in signing Sercombe.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 9, 2018 12:20:52 GMT
Agreed, but we have NO wide players of worth with Billy gone now - having no-one on the left has also held us back this season. Problem is they are so hit and miss, in my 40+ years I can only think of a handful that were good, in fact I always used to think BB reminded me of Boris and I am not sure if you would classify them as out and out wingers? Wingers always seem to be what everyone wants but they alway seem to get the most stick! Agree, I'm not necessarily talking about wingers in the Carayol mould - but if you play 4 - 4 - 2 for example, then you need someone who's comfortable playing on both left and right of the midfield 4. Both Sincs and Sercombe have played left - you can see it's nowhere near the best for them/ they struggled really.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 9, 2018 12:23:33 GMT
My big fear is us going through this whole window and then ending up with a loanee or 2, a freebie or a short term contract on a player with a popint to prove that nobody else wants to gamble on. I can see the excuses already, "January transfer window is difficult to get right". I just hope we don't gamble on our league one status. I don't think we'll go down but I don't want to take a massive risk on that either. We have a decent £400k to spend minimum from the sale of Bodin. We will have had a month to look for a replacement and new signings. Sorry for being so sceptical. At least we can't have the excuse last year that it was too late to do anything after Matty Taylor left late in the window. You would like to think a lot of groundwork would have been made between our last game and the game vs Blackpool on Saturday. My original worry with Bodin was that we would have the same situation with Taylor where he left late in the window and we were told Luke James was his replacement (Which he was originally). I can just see us getting by with loanees until the end of the season, finishing mid table but once again scrambling about late before the start of next season and struggling again. What worries me most with DC was his interview at the end of November, stating he didn't know where he was shopping. That is terrible and even if we aren't going to spend big then DC will need to know what we do have to spend. You would think with our owners being wankers bankers that they would have all the finances planned for the transfer window. My only hope with that interview is because he meant he didn't know what was happening with Bodin but even then you would like to think some sort of contingency plans were in place for if Bodin was to stay or go. If Bodin had stayed then I wonder if he would have next to nothing to spend, probably so. It's just frustrating, I feel we have the best manager we've ever had and now was the time to push on but we're stagnating and potentially dicing with our league one status. There is so much pressure on a £400k signing here than other clubs too because we don't make signings like that willy nilly. I seen that Lambert interview over christmas and he said when he wasn't scoring how much pressure he felt under from the board with one of them even saying "Well it wasn't my choice to sign him". I don't necessarily want to see us spend fortunes but a couple of £200k signings for example would get the juices flowing. Young hungry players working their way up. Maybe another experienced head too in the middle. That would do me. Ggmi My concern for some time has been recruitment. Its nowhere near where we need to be and with decent recruitment we can move forwards as a club with or without big investment. The reliance on agents ahead of our own scouting is a terrible thing. I wonder what Hurst does at the Shrews - got 3 lads on loan from Norwich, including Godfrey and prob the best keeper in L1 in Henderson from Man U = albeit they are all loans !
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jan 9, 2018 12:33:21 GMT
If the loan signings are good enough then I don’t see the problem with that. Lumley and Sweeney pretty much saved our season when we got them on loan last January. DC’s loan signings have been a bit hit and miss but there have certainly been some good ones in his time with us (Gaffers, Dawson, Cunnington, LDV etc.).so please don’t write off loan players before they’ve even had chance to do a job.
The other thing I don’t understand is people’s obsession with spending decent sums of money on transfer fees. I would much rather get players in for nothing. If we’d have signed Nichols for nothing, there would be a lot less people moaning about him being a ‘waste of £350k’ and a lot less pressure on him to succeed. Whatever you don’t spend on a transfer fee, you’ll have to spend on players wages, which I think is where you are going to get real quality.
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Post by knowall on Jan 9, 2018 12:41:38 GMT
My big fear is us going through this whole window and then ending up with a loanee or 2, a freebie or a short term contract on a player with a popint to prove that nobody else wants to gamble on. I can see the excuses already, "January transfer window is difficult to get right". I just hope we don't gamble on our league one status. I don't think we'll go down but I don't want to take a massive risk on that either. We have a decent £400k to spend minimum from the sale of Bodin. We will have had a month to look for a replacement and new signings. Sorry for being so sceptical. At least we can't have the excuse last year that it was too late to do anything after Matty Taylor left late in the window. You would like to think a lot of groundwork would have been made between our last game and the game vs Blackpool on Saturday. My original worry with Bodin was that we would have the same situation with Taylor where he left late in the window and we were told Luke James was his replacement (Which he was originally). I can just see us getting by with loanees until the end of the season, finishing mid table but once again scrambling about late before the start of next season and struggling again. What worries me most with DC was his interview at the end of November, stating he didn't know where he was shopping. That is terrible and even if we aren't going to spend big then DC will need to know what we do have to spend. You would think with our owners being wankers bankers that they would have all the finances planned for the transfer window. My only hope with that interview is because he meant he didn't know what was happening with Bodin but even then you would like to think some sort of contingency plans were in place for if Bodin was to stay or go. If Bodin had stayed then I wonder if he would have next to nothing to spend, probably so. It's just frustrating, I feel we have the best manager we've ever had and now was the time to push on but we're stagnating and potentially dicing with our league one status. There is so much pressure on a £400k signing here than other clubs too because we don't make signings like that willy nilly. I seen that Lambert interview over christmas and he said when he wasn't scoring how much pressure he felt under from the board with one of them even saying "Well it wasn't my choice to sign him". I don't necessarily want to see us spend fortunes but a couple of £200k signings for example would get the juices flowing. Young hungry players working their way up. Maybe another experienced head too in the middle. That would do me. I could not disagree more Bringing in loanees who can do a job and would give an opportunity for our management team to have a seriously good look at them would be no bad thing in my view. Watching a player on the pitch is one thing but finding out how they react with teammates off the pitch as well as on, and how they conduct themselves generally is important. Probably more important in soccer than in most other sport or trade. Summer is the time to sign a long term player.
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Post by blueridge on Jan 9, 2018 13:03:47 GMT
My big fear is us going through this whole window and then ending up with a loanee or 2, a freebie or a short term contract on a player with a popint to prove that nobody else wants to gamble on. I can see the excuses already, "January transfer window is difficult to get right". I just hope we don't gamble on our league one status. I don't think we'll go down but I don't want to take a massive risk on that either. We have a decent £400k to spend minimum from the sale of Bodin. We will have had a month to look for a replacement and new signings. Sorry for being so sceptical. At least we can't have the excuse last year that it was too late to do anything after Matty Taylor left late in the window. You would like to think a lot of groundwork would have been made between our last game and the game vs Blackpool on Saturday. My original worry with Bodin was that we would have the same situation with Taylor where he left late in the window and we were told Luke James was his replacement (Which he was originally). I can just see us getting by with loanees until the end of the season, finishing mid table but once again scrambling about late before the start of next season and struggling again. What worries me most with DC was his interview at the end of November, stating he didn't know where he was shopping. That is terrible and even if we aren't going to spend big then DC will need to know what we do have to spend. You would think with our owners being wankers bankers that they would have all the finances planned for the transfer window. My only hope with that interview is because he meant he didn't know what was happening with Bodin but even then you would like to think some sort of contingency plans were in place for if Bodin was to stay or go. If Bodin had stayed then I wonder if he would have next to nothing to spend, probably so. It's just frustrating, I feel we have the best manager we've ever had and now was the time to push on but we're stagnating and potentially dicing with our league one status. There is so much pressure on a £400k signing here than other clubs too because we don't make signings like that willy nilly. I seen that Lambert interview over christmas and he said when he wasn't scoring how much pressure he felt under from the board with one of them even saying "Well it wasn't my choice to sign him". I don't necessarily want to see us spend fortunes but a couple of £200k signings for example would get the juices flowing. Young hungry players working their way up. Maybe another experienced head too in the middle. That would do me. I could not disagree more Bringing in loanees who can do a job and would give an opportunity for our management team to have a seriously good look at them would be no bad thing in my view. Watching a player on the pitch is one thing but finding out how they react with teammates off the pitch as well as on, and how they conduct themselves generally is important. Probably more important in soccer than in most other sport or trade. Summer is the time to sign a long term player. Best send Dom Telford back ASAP - what a waste of a season for a young Premiership player - who has been given little or no chance to impress - is he any better/worse than TN - he's had a raw deal IMO. Genuine question - have we made a permanent signing of any loan player under DC.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 9, 2018 13:07:20 GMT
I could not disagree more Bringing in loanees who can do a job and would give an opportunity for our management team to have a seriously good look at them would be no bad thing in my view. Watching a player on the pitch is one thing but finding out how they react with teammates off the pitch as well as on, and how they conduct themselves generally is important. Probably more important in soccer than in most other sport or trade. Summer is the time to sign a long term player. Best send Dom Telford back ASAP - what a waste of a season for a young Premiership player - who has been given little or no chance to impress - is he any better/worse than TN - he's had a raw deal IMO. Genuine question - have we made a permanent signing of any loan player under DC. Lines and Gaffney spring to mind.
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 9, 2018 13:12:27 GMT
So many people on here harp on “ don’t worry it’s only the 9th, stop your moaning”,
Smart clubs with good backing get the signings done early on as you have the whole month to get your signings playing and settled in the team for one...
I know we haven’t got the money to buy our number one targets but a few through the door early on must help the situation rather than panic buys and desperate loan deals.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 9, 2018 13:13:47 GMT
Ggmi My concern for some time has been recruitment. Its nowhere near where we need to be and with decent recruitment we can move forwards as a club with or without big investment. The reliance on agents ahead of our own scouting is a terrible thing. I wonder what Hurst does at the Shrews - got 3 lads on loan from Norwich, including Godfrey and prob the best keeper in L1 in Henderson from Man U = albeit they are all loans ! Surprised how Hurst's & DC's fortunes have changed since the former was sacked by Grimsby, as far as the attraction of Shrewsbury, they've a decent ground and training ground, gunning for promotion and it's probably cheap to rent accommodation up there, whether loan players get more game time under Hurst is an unknown.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 9, 2018 13:15:22 GMT
So many people on here harp on “ don’t worry it’s only the 9th, stop your moaning”, Smart clubs with good backing get the signings done early on as you have the whole month to get your signings playing and settled in the team for one... I know we haven’t got the money to buy our number one targets but a few through the door early on must help the situation rather than panic buys and desperate loan deals. Who are the No 1 targets we've missed out on as it'll be interesting to see how they get on at their new clubs?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jan 9, 2018 13:18:52 GMT
I wonder what Hurst does at the Shrews - got 3 lads on loan from Norwich, including Godfrey and prob the best keeper in L1 in Henderson from Man U = albeit they are all loans ! Surprised how Hurst's & DC's fortunes have changed since the former was sacked by Grimsby, as far as the attraction of Shrewsbury, they've a decent ground and training ground, gunning for promotion and it's probably cheap to rent accommodation up there, whether loan players get more game time under Hurst is an unknown. Hurst wasn’t sacked by Grimsby, he was poached by Shrewsbury.
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 9, 2018 13:22:40 GMT
So many people on here harp on “ don’t worry it’s only the 9th, stop your moaning”, Smart clubs with good backing get the signings done early on as you have the whole month to get your signings playing and settled in the team for one... I know we haven’t got the money to buy our number one targets but a few through the door early on must help the situation rather than panic buys and desperate loan deals. Who are the No 1 targets we've missed out on as it'll be interesting to see how they get on at their new clubs? If we could buy our number one targets it’s obvious they would be in by now, Reports we wanted kee from Accrington and he turned us down to talk to Bolton. We can’t compete with bigger clubs or even clubs in our league... Chesterfield looks like their being bought out for £10 million by a Chinese consortium, It will be interesting to see how they go about their business as chesterfield are in a bad way financially
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 9, 2018 13:25:19 GMT
Don’t think Hurst was sacked. He moved on and who could blame him, the stick he took after the season he took Grimsby up was very strange. A large minority gave him a hard time. I seem to remember after the first leg semi final defeat against Braintree he really got it in the neck and once he got promotion at Wembley beating FGR he was very muted in his response to the fans. He’s different from DC, I think DC has a more attacking style and likes his team to be on the offensive. PH always produces a very solid team and this season has chosen some very good loans which have paid off for him. He had the keeper, Henderson, at Grimsby and knows him well. He appears to use his resources well. UTG!
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 9, 2018 13:27:04 GMT
I could not disagree more Bringing in loanees who can do a job and would give an opportunity for our management team to have a seriously good look at them would be no bad thing in my view. Watching a player on the pitch is one thing but finding out how they react with teammates off the pitch as well as on, and how they conduct themselves generally is important. Probably more important in soccer than in most other sport or trade. Summer is the time to sign a long term player. Best send Dom Telford back ASAP - what a waste of a season for a young Premiership player - who has been given little or no chance to impress - is he any better/worse than TN - he's had a raw deal IMO. Genuine question - have we made a permanent signing of any loan player under DC. I agree. But because Tom Nichols cost a pretty large fee for us. DC probably feels the need to persevere in the hope he finds some form, and rightly so imo. Nathan Blissett and Rory Gaffney were both loans before signing permanently.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 9, 2018 13:49:14 GMT
Who are the No 1 targets we've missed out on as it'll be interesting to see how they get on at their new clubs? If we could buy our number one targets it’s obvious they would be in by now, Reports we wanted kee from Accrington and he turned us down to talk to Bolton. We can’t compete with bigger clubs or even clubs in our league... Chesterfield looks like their being bought out for £10 million by a Chinese consortium, It will be interesting to see how they go about their business as chesterfield are in a bad way financially So no evidence we're not still in talks with our No 1 targets then?
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Post by peterparker on Jan 9, 2018 14:03:18 GMT
Who are the No 1 targets we've missed out on as it'll be interesting to see how they get on at their new clubs? If we could buy our number one targets it’s obvious they would be in by now, Reports we wanted kee from Accrington and he turned us down to talk to Bolton. We can’t compete with bigger clubs or even clubs in our league... Chesterfield looks like their being bought out for £10 million by a Chinese consortium, It will be interesting to see how they go about their business as chesterfield are in a bad way financially from Oct 2016
www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/sport/football/chesterfield-fc/fans-react-with-alarm-to-chesterfield-fc-accounts-1-8199659
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 9, 2018 18:32:04 GMT
If we could buy our number one targets it’s obvious they would be in by now, Reports we wanted kee from Accrington and he turned us down to talk to Bolton. We can’t compete with bigger clubs or even clubs in our league... Chesterfield looks like their being bought out for £10 million by a Chinese consortium, It will be interesting to see how they go about their business as chesterfield are in a bad way financially So no evidence we're not still in talks with our No 1 targets then? I don’t think you read what I wrote, if we had our no 1 targets they would be here by now? Like bodin is at Preston he was their number one target as it’s obvious...ours would be in league two or conference as we won’t spend the money in this transfer window because the pot will be empty for the summer where you can get players a bit cheaper... Dc has already said anyone expecting us to spend a lot on a player then your be disappointed... It’s pretty obvious league 2 players and conference players would have signed for us by now but the money isn’t right... Or their holding out and try their luck and ride the second half of the season hoping we hang on in there...maybe a free transfer or loans
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Post by madgas on Jan 9, 2018 18:36:33 GMT
So no evidence we're not still in talks with our No 1 targets then? I don’t think you read what I wrote, if we had our no 1 targets they would be here by now? Like bodin is at Preston he was their number one target as it’s obvious...ours would be in league two or conference as we won’t spend the money in this transfer window because the pot will be empty for the summer where you can get players a bit cheaper... Dc has already said anyone expecting us to spend a lot on a player then your be disappointed... It’s pretty obvious league 2 players and conference players would have signed for us by now but the money isn’t right... Or their holding out and try their luck and ride the second half of the season hoping we hang on in there...maybe a free transfer or loans So... still no evidence... DC confirmed Ryan Sweeney was his number one choice for CB. We got him as the just as the season kicked off. Sometimes you have to be patient.
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 9, 2018 18:40:16 GMT
I don’t think you read what I wrote, if we had our no 1 targets they would be here by now? Like bodin is at Preston he was their number one target as it’s obvious...ours would be in league two or conference as we won’t spend the money in this transfer window because the pot will be empty for the summer where you can get players a bit cheaper... Dc has already said anyone expecting us to spend a lot on a player then your be disappointed... It’s pretty obvious league 2 players and conference players would have signed for us by now but the money isn’t right... Or their holding out and try their luck and ride the second half of the season hoping we hang on in there...maybe a free transfer or loans So... still no evidence... DC confirmed Ryan Sweeney was his number one choice for CB. We got him as the just as the season kicked off. Sometimes you have to be patient. So only 4 teams in league one haven’t signed anyone yet
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 18:47:44 GMT
If we could buy our number one targets it’s obvious they would be in by now, Reports we wanted kee from Accrington and he turned us down to talk to Bolton. We can’t compete with bigger clubs or even clubs in our league... Chesterfield looks like their being bought out for £10 million by a Chinese consortium, It will be interesting to see how they go about their business as chesterfield are in a bad way financially So no evidence we're not still in talks with our No 1 targets then? If Gary Madine stays at Bolton then Kee might be back on shopping list?
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