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Post by xplosivgas on Jan 25, 2018 17:57:25 GMT
Don't underestimate the desire to push Jordan as a country and a brand to Western climes via football, in a similar (albeit reduced manner with our outfit!) that the Qataris and Chinese are doing. I am surprised we've only seen one Jordanian player turn up so far, but if work permits can be sorted, there may well be more in due course. If their aim is to push 'Brand Jordan' over here they've got some way to go. I'd say they're currently standing alongside brands such as BHS, Woolworths and Ryanair.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jan 25, 2018 18:01:10 GMT
Don't underestimate the desire to push Jordan as a country and a brand to Western climes via football, in a similar (albeit reduced manner with our outfit!) that the Qataris and Chinese are doing. I am surprised we've only seen one Jordanian player turn up so far, but if work permits can be sorted, there may well be more in due course. That's what the Thai's are doing at Leicester aren't they?
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 25, 2018 18:02:41 GMT
From a money point of view . Buying a club in the lower divisions is cheap . Premier league football or even top end championship football brings in big money. If you can invest wisely you can take a lower league team to the top. Its not guaranteed though ,so you must not leave yourself open to losing a fortune. Therefore you invest the bare minimum to achieve this as you build the club up. You could do this with any club ...say Yate town. However you have a long way to go and it will take many years. You could look at Wigan Athletic as an example of how a small town club with small support can be taken to the top flight and have a new stadium. Wigans crowds these days in league one are far better than they were back at springfield park. However despite the success and facilities they have not become a hugely supported club. Gillingham is surrounded by many small towns and sits alone in Kent. So potentially could gain a lot of support over time with success . Gillingham have been looking to build a new stadium for some time. Bristol Rovers with its reasonable league one crowds and in a large city offer a better potential for long term growth. The UWE stadium in motion would also be a positive as it stepped the club forward a bit. The large crowds at the Wembley/millennium stadium games would have shown that big crowds for big home games is there. BRFC is/was a good investment potential. However everything at the club was still sat in 1987. In my belief if the UWE stadium was now in the building stage we would have seen an increase in the money available to D.C. However investing over the top currently wont see much return. The crowd sizes wont increase much being in the championship and the off field income would still be virtually non existent .The wages would be 5 times higher though. That's not sustainable long term. For the money involved in keeping a squad in the championship you need to be looking at average crowds of 18-20,000 and off field income streams. Rovers would last three seasons at championship and then once the original players had gone or wanted new contracts the club would drop to league one again. There is currently no financial sense in over investing in the team. BRFC could easily become an established midtable championship club with a stadium big enough to sustain that (18000) however there is no point in throwing millions and millions on players when that could be achieved for far less. As a ten year project Rovers could have a modern 18000 stadium and play in the championship at the Mem. That would in no way mean that the Mem would be the final outcome. Championship success or premiership football would make the building of a new stadium in the future of a larger size an investment that is not a risk. Its what Rovers should have done 15 years ago. Rebuilt the mem as purpose built seated stands with modern facilities and off field income. Even if that was just a 12,000 stadium. The club would have been better off.The club could then look to expand or relocate when needed. bournemouth average 11k
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Jan 25, 2018 18:08:03 GMT
From a money point of view . Buying a club in the lower divisions is cheap . Premier league football or even top end championship football brings in big money. If you can invest wisely you can take a lower league team to the top. Its not guaranteed though ,so you must not leave yourself open to losing a fortune. Therefore you invest the bare minimum to achieve this as you build the club up. You could do this with any club ...say Yate town. However you have a long way to go and it will take many years. You could look at Wigan Athletic as an example of how a small town club with small support can be taken to the top flight and have a new stadium. Wigans crowds these days in league one are far better than they were back at springfield park. However despite the success and facilities they have not become a hugely supported club. Gillingham is surrounded by many small towns and sits alone in Kent. So potentially could gain a lot of support over time with success . Gillingham have been looking to build a new stadium for some time. Bristol Rovers with its reasonable league one crowds and in a large city offer a better potential for long term growth. The UWE stadium in motion would also be a positive as it stepped the club forward a bit. The large crowds at the Wembley/millennium stadium games would have shown that big crowds for big home games is there. BRFC is/was a good investment potential. However everything at the club was still sat in 1987. In my belief if the UWE stadium was now in the building stage we would have seen an increase in the money available to D.C. However investing over the top currently wont see much return. The crowd sizes wont increase much being in the championship and the off field income would still be virtually non existent .The wages would be 5 times higher though. That's not sustainable long term. For the money involved in keeping a squad in the championship you need to be looking at average crowds of 18-20,000 and off field income streams. Rovers would last three seasons at championship and then once the original players had gone or wanted new contracts the club would drop to league one again. There is currently no financial sense in over investing in the team. BRFC could easily become an established midtable championship club with a stadium big enough to sustain that (18000) however there is no point in throwing millions and millions on players when that could be achieved for far less. As a ten year project Rovers could have a modern 18000 stadium and play in the championship at the Mem. That would in no way mean that the Mem would be the final outcome. Championship success or premiership football would make the building of a new stadium in the future of a larger size an investment that is not a risk. Its what Rovers should have done 15 years ago. Rebuilt the mem as purpose built seated stands with modern facilities and off field income. Even if that was just a 12,000 stadium. The club would have been better off.The club could then look to expand or relocate when needed. agree with most of this but said this before surely we could get the mem to 15k with out to much hassle and expensive would be start?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 18:12:58 GMT
If they ain't built a new stadium or revamped the mem and got us in the championship by 2050 then get rid of them.
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Post by toddy1953 on Jan 25, 2018 18:22:44 GMT
Sorry Antonio. I'm a Mem resident and have heard absolutely sweet FA about any consultation! No letter through the door inviting me to a meeting, no invitation from the club. When the previous 'redevelopment' was planned we at least had the opportunity to meet and have our say. I've no idea who these mysterious Mem residents were, none of my neighbours were invited, despite living less than 100 yds from the ground! Then you wonder why people start disbelieving? I am too, and nor have I. I think they went for the activists, Bishopston (self-important) Matters, TRASH, and Friends (ie Enemies) of Horfield Stadium. Istm there's less point consulting the non-activist residents at such an early stage. Istm Keeping the real annoying self-important ultra-NIMBYs on-side is the priority. It doesn't make it untrue, does it? It makes it practical. I'm sure everyone else will get a say in the normal course of planning applications, like always. I didn't read it as our directors going for the activists. It says that the meeting was arranged by the activists. But of course it's good they started some communication with them, and it sounded positive, but has this been shared by the club to the fans?
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Post by Big Jock on Jan 25, 2018 18:46:56 GMT
Well i rekon, theys a pretty wealthy family with one of them a big footy fan who really wanted ta get up close an personal with a club. Th cost of buying th club has in effect been loaded on ta th club itself, thev obviously hope th revenues it generates in th future slowly pay down that debt an interest that the Al Qadis undertook ta buy the club. Eventually, they hope th club will essentially pay for itself leaving th Jordanians in possession of a multi-million pound asset an also give Wael th challenge he yearns for. Hope it works. 'Mon th Wael!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 19:35:36 GMT
From a money point of view . Buying a club in the lower divisions is cheap . Premier league football or even top end championship football brings in big money. If you can invest wisely you can take a lower league team to the top. Its not guaranteed though ,so you must not leave yourself open to losing a fortune. Therefore you invest the bare minimum to achieve this as you build the club up. You could do this with any club ...say Yate town. However you have a long way to go and it will take many years. You could look at Wigan Athletic as an example of how a small town club with small support can be taken to the top flight and have a new stadium. Wigans crowds these days in league one are far better than they were back at springfield park. However despite the success and facilities they have not become a hugely supported club. Gillingham is surrounded by many small towns and sits alone in Kent. So potentially could gain a lot of support over time with success . Gillingham have been looking to build a new stadium for some time. Bristol Rovers with its reasonable league one crowds and in a large city offer a better potential for long term growth. The UWE stadium in motion would also be a positive as it stepped the club forward a bit. The large crowds at the Wembley/millennium stadium games would have shown that big crowds for big home games is there. BRFC is/was a good investment potential. However everything at the club was still sat in 1987. In my belief if the UWE stadium was now in the building stage we would have seen an increase in the money available to D.C. However investing over the top currently wont see much return. The crowd sizes wont increase much being in the championship and the off field income would still be virtually non existent .The wages would be 5 times higher though. That's not sustainable long term. For the money involved in keeping a squad in the championship you need to be looking at average crowds of 18-20,000 and off field income streams. Rovers would last three seasons at championship and then once the original players had gone or wanted new contracts the club would drop to league one again. There is currently no financial sense in over investing in the team. BRFC could easily become an established midtable championship club with a stadium big enough to sustain that (18000) however there is no point in throwing millions and millions on players when that could be achieved for far less. As a ten year project Rovers could have a modern 18000 stadium and play in the championship at the Mem. That would in no way mean that the Mem would be the final outcome. Championship success or premiership football would make the building of a new stadium in the future of a larger size an investment that is not a risk. Its what Rovers should have done 15 years ago. Rebuilt the mem as purpose built seated stands with modern facilities and off field income. Even if that was just a 12,000 stadium. The club would have been better off.The club could then look to expand or relocate when needed. bournemouth average 11k Bournemouth are a billionaires plaything until they can move to and fill a 30,000 stadium. However ,the point that a modern small stadium can take a team to the championship is there. Beyond midtable championship and the tv money can take over the funding. If it goes pearshaped one season though you may be left with a squad of very expensive players and sat in league one with virtually no tv money. A step away from administration.
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 25, 2018 20:36:49 GMT
Bournemouth are a billionaires plaything until they can move to and fill a 30,000 stadium. However ,the point that a modern small stadium can take a team to the championship is there. Beyond midtable championship and the tv money can take over the funding. If it goes pearshaped one season though you may be left with a squad of very expensive players and sat in league one with virtually no tv money. A step away from administration.
couldnt that happen to most championship teams though,the Bournemouth owner isn’t another rosey face he’s got nowhere near the the money He hasn’t spent millions,they’ve bought wisely and taken a gamble and the gamble has paid off Speculate to accumulate that’s something we don’t do
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Post by aghast on Jan 25, 2018 20:46:08 GMT
Bournemouth are a billionaires plaything until they can move to and fill a 30,000 stadium. However ,the point that a modern small stadium can take a team to the championship is there. Beyond midtable championship and the tv money can take over the funding. If it goes pearshaped one season though you may be left with a squad of very expensive players and sat in league one with virtually no tv money. A step away from administration.
couldnt that happen to most championship teams though,the Bournemouth owner isn’t another rosey face he’s got nowhere near the the money He hasn’t spent millions,they’ve bought wisely and taken a gamble and the gamble has paid off Speculate to accumulate that’s something we don’t do Bournemouth are very lucky to have the best young manager in the country. Without him none of it would have happened. We are in a similar position to them a few years ago with an absolute gem in DC. If the owners don't take advantage of what we have with our manager by giving him the funds to build a decent side, they will watch him leave and regret it as we drift back into mediocrity. I'm sure they must realise this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 20:46:10 GMT
Bournemouth are a billionaires plaything until they can move to and fill a 30,000 stadium. However ,the point that a modern small stadium can take a team to the championship is there. Beyond midtable championship and the tv money can take over the funding. If it goes pearshaped one season though you may be left with a squad of very expensive players and sat in league one with virtually no tv money. A step away from administration.
couldnt that happen to most championship teams though,the Bournemouth owner isn’t another rosey face he’s got nowhere near the the money He hasn’t spent millions,they’ve bought wisely and taken a gamble and the gamble has paid off Speculate to accumulate that’s something we don’t do Possibilly. though speculate to accumulate could also be said as speculate to go bankrupt if the speculations flop. Gambling I guess its called (?)
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 25, 2018 20:50:30 GMT
couldnt that happen to most championship teams though,the Bournemouth owner isn’t another rosey face he’s got nowhere near the the money He hasn’t spent millions,they’ve bought wisely and taken a gamble and the gamble has paid off Speculate to accumulate that’s something we don’t do Possibilly. though speculate to accumulate could also be said as speculate to go bankrupt if the speculations flop. Gambling I guess its called (?)
you look at what we couldn’t of had in the summer for 200k more,Marriott from Luton What’s he worth now? Sometimes you have to pay that bit extra and you make money
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Post by singupgas on Jan 25, 2018 21:22:53 GMT
couldnt that happen to most championship teams though,the Bournemouth owner isn’t another rosey face he’s got nowhere near the the money He hasn’t spent millions,they’ve bought wisely and taken a gamble and the gamble has paid off Speculate to accumulate that’s something we don’t do Bournemouth are very lucky to have the best young manager in the country. Without him none of it would have happened. We are in a similar position to them a few years ago with an absolute gem in DC. If the owners don't take advantage of what we have with our manager by giving him the funds to build a decent side, they will watch him leave and regret it as we drift back into mediocrity. I'm sure they must realise this. I am sure they Don't otherwise they would be cracking on with building a new ground somewhere.
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Post by aghast on Jan 25, 2018 21:39:28 GMT
Bournemouth are very lucky to have the best young manager in the country. Without him none of it would have happened. We are in a similar position to them a few years ago with an absolute gem in DC. If the owners don't take advantage of what we have with our manager by giving him the funds to build a decent side, they will watch him leave and regret it as we drift back into mediocrity. I'm sure they must realise this. I am sure they Don't otherwise they would be cracking on with building a new ground somewhere. I know the reply is obvious, but I'll make it anyway. Bouremouth didn't build a new ground. They tarted up the old stadium.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 25, 2018 21:58:16 GMT
Bournemouth are a billionaires plaything until they can move to and fill a 30,000 stadium. However ,the point that a modern small stadium can take a team to the championship is there. Beyond midtable championship and the tv money can take over the funding. If it goes pearshaped one season though you may be left with a squad of very expensive players and sat in league one with virtually no tv money. A step away from administration.
couldnt that happen to most championship teams though,the Bournemouth owner isn’t another rosey face he’s got nowhere near the the money He hasn’t spent millions,they’ve bought wisely and taken a gamble and the gamble has paid off Speculate to accumulate that’s something we don’t do Bournemouth are being banked rolled by a Russian billionaire who could probably buy Pantsdown with spare change, Sunderland's plight is an interesting one as, like Bolton, their owner as apparently "invested" over £100m in the club and could well put them into admin if they drop down to Div 1. The ALQ's do seem to be speculating if they've spent £12m so far, which is probably more than double the last BoD "invested" between them but our problem is the likes of GD & NH invested so little since we moved back to Bristol the club needs vast sums to get anywhere, another £2m+ on a training ground and £20m+ on the Mem, even then that will only take us to Shrewbury's/Doncaster's etc present level.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 25, 2018 22:15:42 GMT
couldnt that happen to most championship teams though,the Bournemouth owner isn’t another rosey face he’s got nowhere near the the money He hasn’t spent millions,they’ve bought wisely and taken a gamble and the gamble has paid off Speculate to accumulate that’s something we don’t do Bournemouth are very lucky to have the best young manager in the country. Without him none of it would have happened. We are in a similar position to them a few years ago with an absolute gem in DC. If the owners don't take advantage of what we have with our manager by giving him the funds to build a decent side, they will watch him leave and regret it as we drift back into mediocrity. I'm sure they must realise this. Problem is we may have similar capacities but their stadium is miles better than anything we've ever had. We can't expect to be in competition for the best players whilst we play in such a hole.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 22:18:30 GMT
Bournemouth are very lucky to have the best young manager in the country. Without him none of it would have happened. We are in a similar position to them a few years ago with an absolute gem in DC. If the owners don't take advantage of what we have with our manager by giving him the funds to build a decent side, they will watch him leave and regret it as we drift back into mediocrity. I'm sure they must realise this. Problem is we may have similar capacities but their stadium is miles better than anything we've ever had. We can't expect to be in competition for the best players whilst we play in such a hole. Edit.. must resist obvious joke. X
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 25, 2018 22:19:14 GMT
couldnt that happen to most championship teams though,the Bournemouth owner isn’t another rosey face he’s got nowhere near the the money He hasn’t spent millions,they’ve bought wisely and taken a gamble and the gamble has paid off Speculate to accumulate that’s something we don’t do Bournemouth are being banked rolled by a Russian billionaire who could probably buy Pantsdown with spare change, Sunderland's plight is an interesting one as, like Bolton, their owner as apparently "invested" over £100m in the club and could well put them into admin if they drop down to Div 1. The ALQ's do seem to be speculating if they've spent £12m so far, which is probably more than double the last BoD "invested" between them but our problem is the likes of GD & NH invested so little since we moved back to Bristol the club needs vast sums to get anywhere, another £2m+ on a training ground and £20m+ on the Mem, even then that will only take us to Shrewbury's/Doncaster's etc present level. hes worth 100m the Bournemouth Russian billionaire 😂you were talking about
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Post by gashead1 on Jan 25, 2018 22:51:48 GMT
How long did it take for AFC Bournemouth TO evolve from locked gates/shut out to what they are now... How long have the Family had to Evolve Bristol Rovers FC Maybe we need to judge progress against the AFC Bournemouth timeline and not our fans requirement With the greatest respect, Bournemouth where extremely lucky regarding there financial position....A Russian billionaire was over here on buisness, who had no interest in football. But was taken to a game as hospitality.He ended up enjoying himself so much that was asked if he might like to invest in the club who where struggling at the time. I guess the rest is history as now is a team playing premiership football. thats the story I heard anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 1:19:49 GMT
Possibilly. though speculate to accumulate could also be said as speculate to go bankrupt if the speculations flop. Gambling I guess its called (?)
you look at what we couldn’t of had in the summer for 200k more,Marriott from Luton What’s he worth now? Sometimes you have to pay that bit extra and you make money Most reports suggest jack marriott cost at least £450k from luton town who are at least as big a club as rovers so we couldnt afford him anyway and even if we could the better salary on offer at a bigger club[in modern times] like peterbro means his choice wouldnt be rovers.
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