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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 11:53:54 GMT
We need a new ground
We have potential
Some more people would watch this team in a new ground.
Mid table league 1 = 11k
Top table league 1 = 12,500 k
Bottom championship = 12,500 k
Top championship = 15 k
league 2 = 8k
Are those figures about right?
No point in doing the bradford city thing because the club will need more income.
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Post by baggins on Feb 7, 2018 12:08:57 GMT
There is no guarantee we would fill a 20k stadium so I think BB is right to be sceptical. Unfortunately it isn't a case of build it and they will come or MK would be sold out every week. Using MK dons as an example is non founded as they are a plastic football club with no history playing in a 30000 stadium with 7000 fans because they’re owner overestimated their potential support from a town that had until fairly recently never experienced football whereas we’ve had a history of being shafted as supporters but continue to keep the faith much in the same vain as perhaps Brighton , also you should look to look at Hull ,Reading,Swansea and possibly Cardiff as better examples which are 4 clubs we were once much bigger than yet overnight their support grew quite significantly with the right infrastructure in place . Don’t be naive to our potential.😉 I'm not sure it happened overnight and we're slowly but surely sorting out the infrastructure. |
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Post by blueridge on Feb 7, 2018 12:20:02 GMT
Using MK dons as an example is non founded as they are a plastic football club with no history playing in a 30000 stadium with 7000 fans because they’re owner overestimated their potential support from a town that had until fairly recently never experienced football whereas we’ve had a history of being shafted as supporters but continue to keep the faith much in the same vain as perhaps Brighton , also you should look to look at Hull ,Reading,Swansea and possibly Cardiff as better examples which are 4 clubs we were once much bigger than yet overnight their support grew quite significantly with the right infrastructure in place . Don’t be naive to our potential.😉 I'm not sure it happened overnight and we're slowly but surely sorting out the infrastructure. Where? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 7, 2018 12:21:02 GMT
I'm not sure it happened overnight and we're slowly but surely sorting out the infrastructure. Where? One of the toilets has bloo loo blocks in the cistern. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 7, 2018 12:25:34 GMT
I'm not sure it happened overnight and we're slowly but surely sorting out the infrastructure. Where? Where what? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 12:32:15 GMT
Is the hole in the bog cubicle still there? Or has it been filled In as we're sorting the infrastructure?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 7, 2018 12:35:25 GMT
Is the hole in the bog cubicle still there? Or has it been filled In as we're sorting the infrastructure? It's still there. It's the only part of the stadium that makes any non match day revenue. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 7, 2018 12:36:52 GMT
Is the hole in the bog cubicle still there? Or has it been filled In as we're sorting the infrastructure? It's still there. It's the only part of the stadium that makes any non match day revenue. Hopefully it doesn't go straight into someones back pocket. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 12:38:57 GMT
Is the hole in the bog cubicle still there? Or has it been filled In as we're sorting the infrastructure? It's still there. It's the only part of the stadium that makes any non match day revenue. I'm fecked off with being a volunteer to mr holtby! |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Feb 7, 2018 12:51:10 GMT
Excellent interesting post. my own view is that the much used and maligned word we need is 'EVOLUTION'!NOT REVOLUTION! There are many examples of both posted on this and other threads, but one which rarely gets a mention is that of Swansea City.As far as i am concerned they are the perfect role model for us to follow, you only have to look at the last 15 years to see evolution in action;
Season 2002/2003 div 2 pt 49 pos 21 (won last game to survive in football league!our Mansfield game!)ave at 5,100
" 2003/2004 " 59 " 10 ave at 6800
" 2004/2005 " 80 " 3 " 8400 (promoted)
" 2005/2006 div 1 " 71 " 6 " 14000 (first season at The Liberty)
" 2006/2007 " " 72 " 7 " 12000
" 2007/2008 " " 92 " 1 " 13000(promoted)
" 2008/2009 champ 68 " 8 " 15100
" 2009/2010 " 69 " 7 " 15400
" 2010/2011 " 80 " 3 " 15900(promoted)
" 2011/2012 prem 47 " 11 " 20500
They are now in there 7th season in prem where there average points tally has been 46 1/2,and av position 11th.The Liberty is a sell out for most if not all prem games (circa 20500).Through out this evolution they had an excellent chairman in Hugh Jenkins,who guided them through some tough times,made a succession of excellent managerial appointments as the club progressed , a policy which only faltered recently as fear of dropping out of prem surfaced.In 10 short years they went from struggling 4th tier side to established top flight team and ground ,team, and support evolved with them.The major difference between us is the help that Swansea council gave the club, indeed it was the council who built the Liberty for 27 million, which i believe is now ran by a consortium of the council, Swansea City, and The Ospreys, something which would never happen in Brizz of course!So where are we in relation to there journey?well if we are staying at the mem then we should now be looking at first phase of development at end of season to get capacity up to 15000 the season after next(our fist season in champ)then its just a case of year on year extension ready for the prem in 6 years time! it can be done at the mem by extending down as well as up getting capacity up to 20000 plus quite easily, all we want is a few million quid and a few shovels , it can , must, and will be done ! YES WE CAN! UP THE GAS.
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Post by tommym9 on Feb 7, 2018 12:53:26 GMT
Conversely don't overestimate our potential! 30k+ at all play off finals and cup final in last 10 year. Most Bristol Rovers fans are from Bristol or have strong connections. I can't imagine too many of them came from all corners of the country to watch us. The numbers speaks for themselves. Put is in a modern football stadium and we will do each week.. Where are they ever week? I would suggest a lot of those people are floating fans who also went to watch City at Wembley. I brought a few mates to our last Wembley trip, but they wouldn't come every week. |
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Post by singupgas on Feb 7, 2018 13:07:30 GMT
30k+ at all play off finals and cup final in last 10 year. Most Bristol Rovers fans are from Bristol or have strong connections. I can't imagine too many of them came from all corners of the country to watch us. The numbers speaks for themselves. Put is in a modern football stadium and we will do each week.. Where are they ever week? I would suggest a lot of those people are floating fans who also went to watch City at Wembley. I brought a few mates to our last Wembley trip, but they wouldn't come every week. I think part of the point I am trying to make. In a modern stadium that is under shelter more people would come and watch. At the moment, on a match day you can pay to stand behind the goals, be sheltered and have restricted view or stand on the side and get soaked.. More people would come if the facilty was better. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 7, 2018 13:07:53 GMT
I'm not sure it happened overnight and we're slowly but surely sorting out the infrastructure. Where? getting rid of a load of dead wood and replacing them with people who know what they are doing for starters |
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Post by sallycinnamon on Feb 7, 2018 13:08:43 GMT
Using MK dons as an example is non founded as they are a plastic football club with no history playing in a 30000 stadium with 7000 fans because they’re owner overestimated their potential support from a town that had until fairly recently never experienced football whereas we’ve had a history of being shafted as supporters but continue to keep the faith much in the same vain as perhaps Brighton , also you should look to look at Hull ,Reading,Swansea and possibly Cardiff as better examples which are 4 clubs we were once much bigger than yet overnight their support grew quite significantly with the right infrastructure in place . Don’t be naive to our potential.😉 Conversely don't overestimate our potential! Thing is I know our true potential, I think between 13-15k in league 1 is not unreasonable to expect with far better facilities enabling families more likely to visit and I think that 15k -16k in the championship with the odd higher crowd with the biggest games ie: prem drop down teams and prem teams in the cup . If we sustained championship football and then better players were attracted then that would continue to climb undoubtedly just as Bcfc82 Ltd have shown for example as much as it hurts me to say. |
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Post by sallycinnamon on Feb 7, 2018 13:12:05 GMT
Using MK dons as an example is non founded as they are a plastic football club with no history playing in a 30000 stadium with 7000 fans because they’re owner overestimated their potential support from a town that had until fairly recently never experienced football whereas we’ve had a history of being shafted as supporters but continue to keep the faith much in the same vain as perhaps Brighton , also you should look to look at Hull ,Reading,Swansea and possibly Cardiff as better examples which are 4 clubs we were once much bigger than yet overnight their support grew quite significantly with the right infrastructure in place . Don’t be naive to our potential.😉 I'm not sure it happened overnight and we're slowly but surely sorting out the infrastructure. Yes they all got new stadiums and their support grew substantially over night . It won’t happen for us though so it’s purely hypothetical because we have no new stadium and we aren’t ever likely to have with the current owners at the fore . Hopefully this will change very soon😉 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 7, 2018 13:12:53 GMT
Excellent interesting post. my own view is that the much used and maligned word we need is 'EVOLUTION'!NOT REVOLUTION! There are many examples of both posted on this and other threads, but one which rarely gets a mention is that of Swansea City.As far as i am concerned they are the perfect role model for us to follow, you only have to look at the last 15 years to see evolution in action; Season 2002/2003 div 2 pt 49 pos 21 (won last game to survive in football league!our Mansfield game!)ave at 5,100 " 2003/2004 " 59 " 10 ave at 6800 " 2004/2005 " 80 " 3 " 8400 (promoted) " 2005/2006 div 1 " 71 " 6 " 14000 (first season at The Liberty) " 2006/2007 " " 72 " 7 " 12000 " 2007/2008 " " 92 " 1 " 13000(promoted) " 2008/2009 champ 68 " 8 " 15100 " 2009/2010 " 69 " 7 " 15400 " 2010/2011 " 80 " 3 " 15900(promoted) " 2011/2012 prem 47 " 11 " 20500 They are now in there 7th season in prem where there average points tally has been 46 1/2,and av position 11th.The Liberty is a sell out for most if not all prem games (circa 20500).Through out this evolution they had an excellent chairman in Hugh Jenkins,who guided them through some tough times,made a succession of excellent managerial appointments as the club progressed , a policy which only faltered recently as fear of dropping out of prem surfaced.In 10 short years they went from struggling 4th tier side to established top flight team and ground ,team, and support evolved with them.The major difference between us is the help that Swansea council gave the club, indeed it was the council who built the Liberty for 27 million, which i believe is now ran by a consortium of the council, Swansea City, and The Ospreys, something which would never happen in Brizz of course!So where are we in relation to there journey?well if we are staying at the mem then we should now be looking at first phase of development at end of season to get capacity up to 15000 the season after next(our fist season in champ)then its just a case of year on year extension ready for the prem in 6 years time! it can be done at the mem by extending down as well as up getting capacity up to 20000 plus quite easily, all we want is a few million quid and a few shovels , it can , must, and will be done ! YES WE CAN! UP THE GAS. Football wise Swansea have no real competition if we ever got 15/20K gates, whilst the 82er's retained their present 20K+ gates, then it would be the first time 40K+ had regularly watched football in Bristol for 50+ years, or in a generation. Although if the ALQ's just got on and built a 15K capacity ground I wouldn't complain! |
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Post by baggins on Feb 7, 2018 13:14:02 GMT
Conversely don't overestimate our potential! Thing is I know our true potential, I think between 13-15k in league 1 is not unreasonable to expect with far better facilities enabling families more likely to visit and I think that 15k -16k in the championship with the odd higher crowd with the biggest games ie: prem drop down teams and prem teams in the cup . If we sustained championship football and then better players were attracted then that would continue to climb undoubtedly just as Bcfc82 Ltd have shown for example as much as it hurts me to say. Just to get into the Championship would cost an absolute fortune. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 7, 2018 13:14:56 GMT
I'm not sure it happened overnight and we're slowly but surely sorting out the infrastructure. Yes they all got new stadiums and their support grew substantially over night . It won’t happen for us though so it’s purely hypothetical because we have no new stadium and we aren’t ever likely to have with the current owners at the fore . Hopefully this will change very soon😉 Why do you keep hinting at a change of owners? |
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Post by singupgas on Feb 7, 2018 13:15:44 GMT
I'm not sure it happened overnight and we're slowly but surely sorting out the infrastructure. Yes they all got new stadiums and their support grew substantially over night . It won’t happen for us though so it’s purely hypothetical because we have no new stadium and we aren’t ever likely to have with the current owners at the fore . Hopefully this will change very soon😉 Sally the wink suggesting you know something? |
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Post by sallycinnamon on Feb 7, 2018 13:22:53 GMT
30k+ at all play off finals and cup final in last 10 year. Most Bristol Rovers fans are from Bristol or have strong connections. I can't imagine too many of them came from all corners of the country to watch us. The numbers speaks for themselves. Put is in a modern football stadium and we will do each week.. Where are they ever week? I would suggest a lot of those people are floating fans who also went to watch City at Wembley. I brought a few mates to our last Wembley trip, but they wouldn't come every week. Not just those fans we would be targeting though is it ?because they’re the fickle ones that would show up for Man Utd and Man City home and away Re: sh1thead cup run , the amount of families that we miss out on as well as new fans because they are unlikely to come to our sh1tpit of a stadium when they can go to Trashton every fortnight and sit and eat in comfort without getting wet and looking at a mouldy old green carpet whilst sipping on their half time thatchers, we need a stadium end of story and they’ll come , sooner rather than later because I don’t see many kids watching Rovers of late and our fans average age has got to be 40+ at least. |
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