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Post by gasant on Feb 17, 2018 19:23:43 GMT
Love how no one has mentioned wages. Salary has gone be up since last time we were in this division. Getting a player on a free might not cost much up front but does in increased salary. Our last two signing s were free agents technically yes? Define budget in either transfer or wages including a development squad and compare that all wrapped up and I can’t see how we are ‘bottom six’
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 17, 2018 19:24:51 GMT
I'm guessing Wimbledon also had a bottom 6 budget, if so, why bring that up today post match as we still lost to a team with a similar budget?
It's getting a bit boring DC going on about the budget as I can't see it changing any time soon given we're already losing £1.5m/£2m a season, but if he's not happy with his budget he should have never signed a 5 year contract. Although if he was worried about his budget signing Craig seems a waste when we've already got two Left sided CB's, I'd have thought an experienced DCM would have been a better option.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Feb 17, 2018 19:25:35 GMT
Your obviously desperate to know, lol why don't you work it out? I'll give you a hand, £1 + £1 = £2 I don't need to work it out. I can say with confidence more was spent in the period between 2007 -9 than D.C got between 2016-18. So There ! Lol, nahh, so there, must make it true, lol. I won't mention again you begging others to work it out for you...
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Post by bluegas on Feb 17, 2018 20:41:45 GMT
How is he ?. He's stating a fact that a football team can't keep competing with the like of Pompey Charlton Blackburn Wigan ( top 6) on a bottom six budget. Personally : I rather know the truth and facts about our football club. All true but looking at the squad size, I'm not convinced it is a bottom 6 budget and I'm not sure DC would know either unless he has access to the management accounts of all the clubs in the division. Don't get me wrong I support DC but I do question the accuracy of his budget statement particularly when he has previously talked about having a mid-table budget. I assume you do have access to the management accounts of all the clubs in this division?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 20:57:23 GMT
All true but looking at the squad size, I'm not convinced it is a bottom 6 budget and I'm not sure DC would know either unless he has access to the management accounts of all the clubs in the division. Don't get me wrong I support DC but I do question the accuracy of his budget statement particularly when he has previously talked about having a mid-table budget. I assume you do have access to the management accounts of all the clubs in this division? You know I don't so why ask. The point I'm making is that one month DC says it's mid-table then has three additions in the window and out of the blue he's now got a bottom 6 budget. Does not add-up to me. Perhaps you could explain Bluegas?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 20:59:44 GMT
Agreed but if the club had been able to better manage the contract situation with Taylor and Bodin then the club would have been at least a couple of million better off but I don't blame DC for that. Bodin got a 2 year deal after finishing the league 2 promotion season strongly,nobody at that time would have suggested a 3 year deal. Menayese and broadbent have just signed new deals,what length should they have been? I would guess 2 and a half year deals but I don't know. What would you say BB?
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Post by peterparker on Feb 17, 2018 21:14:07 GMT
Dont pay much attention to it when DC mentions it
I reckon it depends on what mood he is in on any given day. He has been pretty happy recently and i guess a last minute goal today probably upset him. He is a heart on the sleeve kind of guy
Sometimes i think he says stuff in order to just get away from the interviewer. As someone said the other day, i wouldnt be suprised if the squad and staff have a sweepstake on what DC will say from one week to the next
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Post by althepirate on Feb 17, 2018 21:24:33 GMT
Surely the amount of money invested in our club cannot just be judged on the playing budget. Before Wael came here didn't have an infrastructure. I would imagine a huge amount has been invested in that by the acquisition of the training ground, development squad and the increase in staff both on and off the pitch.
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Post by bluegas on Feb 17, 2018 21:30:06 GMT
I assume you do have access to the management accounts of all the clubs in this division? You know I don't so why ask. The point I'm making is that one month DC says it's mid-table then has three additions in the window and out of the blue he's now got a bottom 6 budget. Does not add-up to me. Perhaps you could explain Bluegas? A possible explanation is that DC doesn't enjoy after match interviews (like most managers) & is prone to making pointless, unfounded comments. It's not something I agonise over. Three managers with arguably big reputations couldn't do what he's done. I'm therefore happy to cut him a bit of slack.
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Post by gasant on Feb 17, 2018 21:31:42 GMT
Dont pay much attention to it when DC mentions it I reckon it depends on what mood he is in on any given day. He has been pretty happy recently and i guess a last minute goal today probably upset him. He is a heart on the sleeve kind of guy Sometimes i think he says stuff in order to just get away from the interviewer. As someone said the other day, i wouldnt be suprised if the squad and staff have a sweepstake on what DC will say from one week to the next So why contradict yourself from the month previous? Didn’t mention it when we were winning. Why doesn’t he recommend scrapping the development side that teams in the ‘bottom six’ don’t have and get another first team player in. His squad is far big enough when you look at average teams in the division. Look at how many loans we have out... they don’t all go to those clubs with 100% wage payments. Maybe he should be looking at quality rather than quantity. He can’t have it both ways. I like DC but sometimes he isn’t the best in the media
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 21:35:43 GMT
You know I don't so why ask. The point I'm making is that one month DC says it's mid-table then has three additions in the window and out of the blue he's now got a bottom 6 budget. Does not add-up to me. Perhaps you could explain Bluegas? A possible explanation is that DC doesn't enjoy after match interviews (like most managers) & is prone to making pointless, unfounded comments. It's not something I agonise over. Three managers with arguably big reputations couldn't do what he's done. I'm therefore happy to cut him a bit of slack. Fair enough ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 21:36:10 GMT
Bodin got a 2 year deal after finishing the league 2 promotion season strongly,nobody at that time would have suggested a 3 year deal. Menayese and broadbent have just signed new deals,what length should they have been? I would guess 2 and a half year deals but I don't know. What would you say BB? I reckon 18 months for both of them. I dont think they have done enough yet for longer deals but on the other hand we could then lose them next january if they turn out to be the real deal. Point is its a difficult area,take ellis not many fans would have said give ellis a 2 year deal after last season.
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Post by socrates on Feb 17, 2018 21:36:42 GMT
Love how no one has mentioned wages. Salary has gone be up since last time we were in this division. Getting a player on a free might not cost much up front but does in increased salary. Our last two signing s were free agents technically yes? Define budget in either transfer or wages including a development squad and compare that all wrapped up and I can’t see how we are ‘bottom six’ It’s all guess work regarding budgets . At the end of the day it all come down to whether our supporters feel they’re getting their moneys worth. I feel like I am , today wasn’t worth anything but overall my £270 season ticket has been money well spent since DC has been our leader because the blokes Dam brilliant hrs taken us forward on the pitch quicker than we could have possibly imagined and is doing all he can to keep us moving forward off it to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 21:44:31 GMT
Dont pay much attention to it when DC mentions it I reckon it depends on what mood he is in on any given day. He has been pretty happy recently and i guess a last minute goal today probably upset him. He is a heart on the sleeve kind of guy Sometimes i think he says stuff in order to just get away from the interviewer. As someone said the other day, i wouldnt be suprised if the squad and staff have a sweepstake on what DC will say from one week to the next He is an impulsive emotional type of person which i actually quite like. He wanted a bigger budget before the start of the season and he cant resist bringing the subject up from time to time especially when we lose.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Feb 17, 2018 21:53:35 GMT
Before the transfer window it was common knowledge DC spent £130 k extra since taking over. Since the 'window ' he received around £400 k for Bodin and spent around £200 k on incoming transfers. In summary D.C have actually made money for our club whilst taking us from the vanarama to top 12 division one. If you offered this 'dream' to the chairmans of Orient Tranmere Wrexham they would take your hands off!. If the club want progress like play off's to the championship . Then it will need to find ways of increasing the budget dramatically. I don't know like everyone else our exact budget but I would guess it's in the bottom half. So D.C is doing an outstanding job... Surely we didn’t spend £200k in January? We only paid a fee for Mensah didn’t we?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 17, 2018 22:37:52 GMT
Surely the amount of money invested in our club cannot just be judged on the playing budget. Before Wael came here didn't have an infrastructure. I would imagine a huge amount has been invested in that by the acquisition of the training ground, development squad and the increase in staff both on and off the pitch. Apart from Hargreaves wages what have we actually invested in the Development Squad?
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Post by socrates on Feb 17, 2018 22:38:27 GMT
Before the transfer window it was common knowledge DC spent £130 k extra since taking over. Since the 'window ' he received around £400 k for Bodin and spent around £200 k on incoming transfers. In summary D.C have actually made money for our club whilst taking us from the vanarama to top 12 division one. If you offered this 'dream' to the chairmans of Orient Tranmere Wrexham they would take your hands off!. If the club want progress like play off's to the championship . Then it will need to find ways of increasing the budget dramatically. I don't know like everyone else our exact budget but I would guess it's in the bottom half. So D.C is doing an outstanding job... Surely we didn’t spend £200k in January? We only paid a fee for Mensah didn’t we? Again more guess work . Undisclosed . Are you getting your moneys worth , are you happy with our team our manager ? Our board ? It doesn’t matter whether Mensah is as 59,999 100,090 or whatever . Most of our best players through our history didn’t cost us much most of our big signings have
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Feb 17, 2018 22:44:06 GMT
Surely we didn’t spend £200k in January? We only paid a fee for Mensah didn’t we? Again more guess work . Undisclosed . Are you getting your moneys worth , are you happy with our team our manager ? Our board ? It doesn’t matter whether Mensah is as 59,999 100,090 or whatever . Most of our best players through our history didn’t cost us much most of our big signings have No it wasn’t a complaint, just an observation. I’m happy with both our manager and our board at the minute. And on the signings thing, I’ve stated many times before that I’d rather us spend next to nothing on a transfer fee (if anything at all) than break our transfer record every window like some clubs seem to be doing on the modern era.
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Post by socrates on Feb 17, 2018 22:44:55 GMT
Again more guess work . Undisclosed . Are you getting your moneys worth , are you happy with our team our manager ? Our board ? It doesn’t matter whether Mensah is as 59,999 100,090 or whatever . Most of our best players through our history didn’t cost us much most of our big signings have No it wasn’t a complaint, just an observation. I’m happy with both our manager and our board at the minute. And on the signings thing, I’ve stated many times before that I’d rather us spend next to nothing on a transfer fee (if anything at all) than break our transfer record every window like some clubs seem to be doing on the modern era. I’m with you on that. Utg
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Post by singupgas on Feb 17, 2018 22:52:17 GMT
This is same discussion we have after defeat. Budget gets brought up. None of us really know, but based on the players we've brought in you would assume it's not great.
DC has however spent money on 2 players both started today's game on the bench, 1 made it on and again never made an impact, the other never moved and might be wondering why he signed for us. Has TN been given fair run in the side, I think yes. BM supposed to bring width to our side, yet today we play 4 cms and 1 wide player.. question Is, is DC using the budget wisely?
If this board gave him more money to spend, could he be trusted to bring in players we need. I am unsure that DC knows which direction he wants to take this side in.
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