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Post by Somersetgas on Feb 17, 2018 23:13:17 GMT
D.C in this period 2016-18 can only dream of the budget we had in 2007-09 . We aren't in a position were we can spent over a million on players like Lambert Williams Pipe Coles Hughes Duffy Kuffour Blizzard etc. Bet our current squad isn't that far off the 07/09 on money spent. Maybe not but that was ten years plus and things have changed financially wide in football.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 17, 2018 23:16:45 GMT
It was a top 6 budget when ST's were still to be sold....
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Post by Somersetgas on Feb 17, 2018 23:17:37 GMT
Dont pay much attention to it when DC mentions it I reckon it depends on what mood he is in on any given day. He has been pretty happy recently and i guess a last minute goal today probably upset him. He is a heart on the sleeve kind of guy Sometimes i think he says stuff in order to just get away from the interviewer. As someone said the other day, i wouldnt be suprised if the squad and staff have a sweepstake on what DC will say from one week to the next So why contradict yourself from the month previous? Didn’t mention it when we were winning. Why doesn’t he recommend scrapping the development side that teams in the ‘bottom six’ don’t have and get another first team player in. His squad is far big enough when you look at average teams in the division. Look at how many loans we have out... they don’t all go to those clubs with 100% wage payments. Maybe he should be looking at quality rather than quantity. He can’t have it both ways. I like DC but sometimes he isn’t the best in the media I like his blunt aggressive attitude to the media, makes a fresh change than all the usual sound bites from others
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 17, 2018 23:26:31 GMT
So why contradict yourself from the month previous? Didn’t mention it when we were winning. Why doesn’t he recommend scrapping the development side that teams in the ‘bottom six’ don’t have and get another first team player in. His squad is far big enough when you look at average teams in the division. Look at how many loans we have out... they don’t all go to those clubs with 100% wage payments. Maybe he should be looking at quality rather than quantity. He can’t have it both ways. I like DC but sometimes he isn’t the best in the media I like his blunt aggressive attitude to the media, makes a fresh change than all the usual sound bites from others He doesn't come across as a likable guy though, which of course he doesnt have to, but if he was manager of any other club imo he would fall into the Neil Warnock category. He rarely gives credit to the opposition for example, but if it was an opposition manager not giving us credit he would get slammed. I have met him once and he was very pleasant, maybe it is a media thing but he doesnt do himself any favours
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 17, 2018 23:28:24 GMT
How is he ?. He's stating a fact that a football team can't keep competing with the like of Pompey Charlton Blackburn Wigan ( top 6) on a bottom six budget. Personally : I rather know the truth and facts about our football club. All true but looking at the squad size, I'm not convinced it is a bottom 6 budget and I'm not sure DC would know either unless he has access to the management accounts of all the clubs in the division. Don't get me wrong I support DC but I do question the accuracy of his budget statement particularly when he has previously talked about having a mid-table budget. DC will know what budgets other clubs have from talking to their managers and possibly their chairman’s representatives as well. An interview I read with Lee Johnson the other week said his budget at Oldham was £1.7m. And that it was the smallest in the league and he had to work wonders with it. I wonder what figure DC has in relation to that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:36:05 GMT
Surely the amount of money invested in our club cannot just be judged on the playing budget. Before Wael came here didn't have an infrastructure. I would imagine a huge amount has been invested in that by the acquisition of the training ground, development squad and the increase in staff both on and off the pitch. Apart from Hargreaves wages what have we actually invested in the Development Squad? Well there is Hargreaves' assistant and a second goal-keeping coach, there's the hire of training facilities, 18 or so youngsters on the payroll albeit on near minimum wage, travel costs to away fixtures, kit erc. All that must cost £350k to £400K a year.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 17, 2018 23:41:13 GMT
This is same discussion we have after defeat. Budget gets brought up. None of us really know, but based on the players we've brought in you would assume it's not great. DC has however spent money on 2 players both started today's game on the bench, 1 made it on and again never made an impact, the other never moved and might be wondering why he signed for us. Has TN been given fair run in the side, I think yes. BM supposed to bring width to our side, yet today we play 4 cms and 1 wide player.. question Is, is DC using the budget wisely? If this board gave him more money to spend, could he be trusted to bring in players we need. I am unsure that DC knows which direction he wants to take this side in. What's is most recent permanent signings? Burn Failure Parts Success Smith Success Salcombe Failure - a pointless signing when a loan player could have done the job? Sercombe Success Nichols Complete failure Bennett Too early to say but looks a bit light weight to me Mensah Ditto but any sign him and not play him? Craig Ditto but I'd have preferred an experienced DCM So 3 Successes, 3 Failures, 3 too soon to say.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:42:13 GMT
So why contradict yourself from the month previous? Didn’t mention it when we were winning. Why doesn’t he recommend scrapping the development side that teams in the ‘bottom six’ don’t have and get another first team player in. His squad is far big enough when you look at average teams in the division. Look at how many loans we have out... they don’t all go to those clubs with 100% wage payments. Maybe he should be looking at quality rather than quantity. He can’t have it both ways. I like DC but sometimes he isn’t the best in the media I like his blunt aggressive attitude to the media, makes a fresh change than all the usual sound bites from others DC could do worse than looking at Carlos Carvalhal whose affable style has the media eating out of his hands. I think DC would do well to improve his media style as he is representing the club when he talks and should remember that. Grumpy flippant interviews do not enhance his or the clubs reputation and I say that as someone who supports DC but it's a weakness he should try to address.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:47:16 GMT
I think the development squad have made a cracking start in what is their 1st season. Several players have had played odd games in the 1st team and many are out on loan including menayese at swindon which is great experience. I think its the way for a club like rovers to go though ultimately the whole project will depend on how many players become regulars in the 1st team.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:49:37 GMT
I like his blunt aggressive attitude to the media, makes a fresh change than all the usual sound bites from others DC could do worse than looking at Carlos Carvalhal whose affable style has the media eating out of his hands. I think DC would do well to improve his media style as he is representing the club when he talks and should remember that. Grumpy flippant interviews do not enhance his or the clubs reputation and I say that as someone who supports DC but it's a weakness he should try to address. I think alex ferguson could have achieved so much more if only he was better with the media.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 0:08:27 GMT
DC could do worse than looking at Carlos Carvalhal whose affable style has the media eating out of his hands. I think DC would do well to improve his media style as he is representing the club when he talks and should remember that. Grumpy flippant interviews do not enhance his or the clubs reputation and I say that as someone who supports DC but it's a weakness he should try to address. I think alex ferguson could have achieved so much more if only he was better with the media. I take your point but DC should still see every media opportunity as a chance to put himself and the club in a good light. Yes there are plenty of good grumpy managers and Ferguson was a good example of someone who got needlessly annoyed with the media. It's part of their job and in my view they should do it as well as they can. DC does let himself down and I just think it would be good for him and the club if he made an effort - he can do it but some days it seems he just can't be bothered.
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Post by blueridge on Feb 18, 2018 6:50:24 GMT
Apart from Hargreaves wages what have we actually invested in the Development Squad? Well there is Hargreaves' assistant and a second goal-keeping coach, there's the hire of training facilities, 18 or so youngsters on the payroll albeit on near minimum wage, travel costs to away fixtures, kit erc. All that must cost £350k to £400K a year. Probably around the same it costs to employ The Chairman, The Financial Director & The Commercial Manager. Can't recall us ever having to 'pay' a Chairman before.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 18, 2018 7:02:56 GMT
This is same discussion we have after defeat. Budget gets brought up. None of us really know, but based on the players we've brought in you would assume it's not great. DC has however spent money on 2 players both started today's game on the bench, 1 made it on and again never made an impact, the other never moved and might be wondering why he signed for us. Has TN been given fair run in the side, I think yes. BM supposed to bring width to our side, yet today we play 4 cms and 1 wide player.. question Is, is DC using the budget wisely? If this board gave him more money to spend, could he be trusted to bring in players we need. I am unsure that DC knows which direction he wants to take this side in. What's is most recent permanent signings? Burn Failure Parts Success Smith Success Salcombe Failure - a pointless signing when a loan player could have done the job? Sercombe Success Nichols Complete failure Bennett Too early to say but looks a bit light weight to me Mensah Ditto but any sign him and not play him? Craig Ditto but I'd have preferred an experienced DCM So 3 Successes, 3 Failures, 3 too soon to say. how is Slocombe a failure? You can only play one keeper and we have two senior keepers on the books. You could say money that didnt need to be spent, but not a failure
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Post by gaslife on Feb 18, 2018 7:14:51 GMT
Apart from Hargreaves wages what have we actually invested in the Development Squad? Well there is Hargreaves' assistant and a second goal-keeping coach, there's the hire of training facilities, 18 or so youngsters on the payroll albeit on near minimum wage, travel costs to away fixtures, kit erc. All that must cost £350k to £400K a year. Mansell is still taking a wage. How much? And for what?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 18, 2018 7:46:25 GMT
What's is most recent permanent signings? Burn Failure Parts Success Smith Success Salcombe Failure - a pointless signing when a loan player could have done the job? Sercombe Success Nichols Complete failure Bennett Too early to say but looks a bit light weight to me Mensah Ditto but any sign him and not play him? Craig Ditto but I'd have preferred an experienced DCM So 3 Successes, 3 Failures, 3 too soon to say. how is Slocombe a failure? You can only play one keeper and we have two senior keepers on the books. You could say money that didnt need to be spent, but not a failure He's failure in terms of a wage 1st teamers wage wasted which could have been spent on a DCM, or LW earlier in the season, a lesser Lumley type loan could have done his job. Using your logic you argue Nichols isn't a failure as he's filled a space on the bench all season?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 18, 2018 7:48:57 GMT
Well there is Hargreaves' assistant and a second goal-keeping coach, there's the hire of training facilities, 18 or so youngsters on the payroll albeit on near minimum wage, travel costs to away fixtures, kit erc. All that must cost £350k to £400K a year. Mansell is still taking a wage. How much? And for what? He's an Academy coach, if we agree we need an Academy then surely we agree we need a coach, although I've no idea why we need him and Mildenhall on the pay roll, if they are both full time.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 18, 2018 8:25:44 GMT
how is Slocombe a failure? You can only play one keeper and we have two senior keepers on the books. You could say money that didnt need to be spent, but not a failure He's failure in terms of a wage 1st teamers wage wasted which could have been spent on a DCM, or LW earlier in the season, a lesser Lumley type loan could have done his job. Using your logic you argue Nichols isn't a failure as he's filled a space on the bench all season? So you didnt read what i wrote then?
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Post by althepirate on Feb 18, 2018 8:55:02 GMT
I love DC but I think he has fallen into the comfort zone in the same way Mourinho has. He has gone from being John Ward's assistant to the manager on a five year contract with rich owners supporting him. I think he should show more gratitude and stop moaning. How would he like to be in Gerry's position at TWerton where to sign a player he had to buy him himself, no facilities and yet still got us into the Championship.
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Post by gregsy on Feb 18, 2018 9:12:49 GMT
I love DC but I think he has fallen into the comfort zone in the same way Mourinho has. He has gone from being John Ward's assistant to the manager on a five year contract with rich owners supporting him. I think he should show more gratitude and stop moaning. How would he like to be in Gerry's position at TWerton where to sign a player he had to buy him himself, no facilities and yet still got us into the Championship. It's all very well comparing now to then, but.... The premiership and the champions league both started around 92, this was when the big money came in from sky, and vastly lucrative sponsorships.... There were quite a few ragbag teams operating before then, even in the top flight.... Edit: I'm not understating Gerrys efforts. It was a great time to be a gashead
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Feb 18, 2018 9:13:36 GMT
Groundhog Day
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