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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 26, 2018 11:14:04 GMT
Don’t start with your dreamworld again Henbury, you been on those fags again? Wael told me its on its way, No dream and fags are for idiots
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 26, 2018 11:32:05 GMT
Timings. When they first took over the UWE was set to go once funding was in place. You'll recall from previous interviews shortly afterwards that Wael said there were "issues" to be resolved, then later it was said that Dwane/BRFC and UWE had agreed then "revisited" certain points thought previously settled. Anyway, that is now beside the point. If the UWE was started (on agreed terms) then the revenue streams would start from 2019 or thereabouts. However, we are starting again so the revenue streams won't be realised for a further 12 to 24 months at least. In my opinion what we are seeing is a calculated release of funds to start the Colony (seedcorn money if you like) until they are certain of the hows/whys/wherefores of where we go now. Which is better, £2m now on basic facilities ready in 18 months or wait or £7m in one go but not start it until 2021? (Figures and dates are purely illustrative). I've said it before, I don't think the targets have changed, just the way we get there. Quite possibly but after so many knocks from the past and the present owners it would be prudent/pessimistic to treat as much . Understandable, but there is a fine line between heathy scepticism and cynicism. The former keeps you vigilant of events, the latter results in just being miserable. Hopefully we are staying the right side.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 26, 2018 11:38:38 GMT
Except being guilty of the biggest leak of all which was the collapse of the stadium deal when everything was agreed and the contract just had to be signed. They MAY have a plan b now but they didn’t have a plan b when the deal collapsed because as you will remember with Waels awkward interview in the aftermath. But neither party has ever suggested that's true? I can't see the now ALQ's committing to spending vast sums of money aboard on just a sports project given what's happening in Jordan. That is quite a leap from domestic financial issues affecting politics and the non investment with us (your earlier Times link is behind a paywall so I can't read the whole article). Leaving aside many of the factors involved, if there were serious events about to unfold then I would say it would make investment into a safe property project in a relatively benign economy more attractive, just look at who has bought up much of the property in London, for example.
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Post by gaslife on Feb 26, 2018 11:52:44 GMT
NH announced when the ALQ's took over the club it would mean the new stadium could proceed without Sainbury's money, then Wael in one of his first interviews said a new stadium was a must, who was going to pay for it if it wasn't the ALQ's or investors supporting them? Imo, I think Dwane wanted to blow £50M on a stadium that would generate a steady stream of decent revenue for the club. I think they didn't want to blow £50M on a stadium that would generate a steady stream of decent revenue for UWE. The UWE were giving valuable land on their campus virtually for free. It is entirely reasonable that they would want some regular cash income from it e.g. match day car parking fees. Seems more likely that the deal failed because the Al Qadis couldn't raise or wouldn't spend the money required to build the stadium knowing that they would not be able to recoup this money when inevitably they lose interest and want out. Wael's statement 'it wasn't right for the club' without proper explanation is an insult to the long suffering supporters who desperately need, deserve and were promised the modern facilities that the UWE would have provided.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Feb 26, 2018 12:06:25 GMT
Nope, I would say that this is less relevant. For probably the thousandth time this had been said on this forum, and by the Al-qadis, they never promised to blow big money on Rovers, and if you think they did, you've mis-heard that somewhere. So I would say that it's irrelevant how they spend their money, it's none of our business. So Wael openly stating when the ALQ's took the club over that Bristol Rovers needed a new stadium doesn't suggest they were preparing to "blow big money" on building it. I obviously misheard it or misunderstood what they were saying. Yes, you misheard them, or heard what you wanted to hear. They promised to put the infrastructure in place (training facilities, stadium and squad support staff) and grow the club by evolution. I don't know what you thought you'd heard?
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Feb 26, 2018 12:10:22 GMT
Nope, I would say that this is less relevant. For probably the thousandth time this had been said on this forum, and by the Al-qadis, they never promised to blow big money on Rovers, and if you think they did, you've mis-heard that somewhere. So I would say that it's irrelevant how they spend their money, it's none of our business. Funny that because the fact that it was costing £40m to build a stadium didn’t denote blowing big money then? When did they promise to invest big money in the squad? They promised to put the infrastructure in place, and evolve the club gradually. They're doing just that, although not fast enough for a lot of people.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Feb 26, 2018 12:12:08 GMT
Imo, I think Dwane wanted to blow £50M on a stadium that would generate a steady stream of decent revenue for the club. I think they didn't want to blow £50M on a stadium that would generate a steady stream of decent revenue for UWE. The UWE were giving valuable land on their campus virtually for free. It is entirely reasonable that they would want some regular cash income from it e.g. match day car parking fees. Seems more likely that the deal failed because the Al Qadis couldn't raise or wouldn't spend the money required to build the stadium knowing that they would not be able to recoup this money when inevitably they lose interest and want out. Wael's statement 'it wasn't right for the club' without proper explanation is an insult to the long suffering supporters who desperately need, deserve and were promised the modern facilities that the UWE would have provided. If Wael says its not right for the club, then I for one believe him. "Seems more likely that the deal failed because the Al Qadis couldn't raise or wouldn't spend the money required to build the stadium" Have you ant proof of this? Or are you just guessing?
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Post by peterparker on Feb 26, 2018 12:13:10 GMT
Imo, I think Dwane wanted to blow £50M on a stadium that would generate a steady stream of decent revenue for the club. I think they didn't want to blow £50M on a stadium that would generate a steady stream of decent revenue for UWE. The UWE were giving valuable land on their campus virtually for free. It is entirely reasonable that they would want some regular cash income from it e.g. match day car parking fees. Seems more likely that the deal failed because the Al Qadis couldn't raise or wouldn't spend the money required to build the stadium knowing that they would not be able to recoup this money when inevitably they lose interest and want out. Wael's statement 'it wasn't right for the club' without proper explanation is an insult to the long suffering supporters who desperately need, deserve and were promised the modern facilities that the UWE would have provided. Some people wouldn't believe them whatever they said though.
Wael could turn around and say "Uwe wanted to big a cut and we wouldn't be able to pay of the stadium and invest in the team sufficiently" and some people would just say they never had the money anyway
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 13:21:30 GMT
The UWE were giving valuable land on their campus virtually for free. It is entirely reasonable that they would want some regular cash income from it e.g. match day car parking fees. Seems more likely that the deal failed because the Al Qadis couldn't raise or wouldn't spend the money required to build the stadium knowing that they would not be able to recoup this money when inevitably they lose interest and want out. Wael's statement 'it wasn't right for the club' without proper explanation is an insult to the long suffering supporters who desperately need, deserve and were promised the modern facilities that the UWE would have provided. If Wael says its not right for the club, then I for one believe him. "Seems more likely that the deal failed because the Al Qadis couldn't raise or wouldn't spend the money required to build the stadium" Have you ant proof of this? Or are you just guessing? If Wael told you the loch ness monster exists because he has seen it with his own eyes would you believe him? The burden of proof is as applicable to him as it is to the speculators on this forum. All we know for sure is that the deal was acceptable to the old board but not to the new. We can (and will) fill in the blanks from there ourselves depending on our cognitive biases.
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Post by sallycinnamon on Feb 26, 2018 13:24:10 GMT
Don’t start with your dreamworld again Henbury, you been on those fags again? Wael told me its on its way, No dream and fags are for idiots oh well if Wael told you it’s on its way perhaps furnish us all as to what he exactly said instead of playing games.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 26, 2018 13:25:44 GMT
Wael told me its on its way, No dream and fags are for idiots oh well if Wael told you it’s on its way perhaps furnish us all as to what he exactly said instead of playing games. I thought you watched the latest video ?
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Post by sallycinnamon on Feb 26, 2018 13:25:47 GMT
So Wael openly stating when the ALQ's took the club over that Bristol Rovers needed a new stadium doesn't suggest they were preparing to "blow big money" on building it. I obviously misheard it or misunderstood what they were saying. Yes, you misheard them, or heard what you wanted to hear. They promised to put the infrastructure in place (training facilities, stadium and squad support staff) and grow the club by evolution. I don't know what you thought you'd heard? I know what I did hear and that was we’d get our new stadium built , words from Waels mouth not mine.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 26, 2018 13:26:25 GMT
Yes, you misheard them, or heard what you wanted to hear. They promised to put the infrastructure in place (training facilities, stadium and squad support staff) and grow the club by evolution. I don't know what you thought you'd heard? I know what I did hear and that was we’d get our new stadium built , words from Waels mouth not mine. and we will
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Post by sallycinnamon on Feb 26, 2018 13:28:03 GMT
oh well if Wael told you it’s on its way perhaps furnish us all as to what he exactly said instead of playing games. I thought you watched the latest video ? plans bcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz yes I did hear it , so you see it’s not on it’s way is it dreamboy😂? It’s all up in the air at the moment as it seems they don’t know their ass from their elbow.
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Post by sallycinnamon on Feb 26, 2018 13:28:34 GMT
I know what I did hear and that was we’d get our new stadium built , words from Waels mouth not mine. and we will When?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 26, 2018 13:29:16 GMT
I thought you watched the latest video ? plans bcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz yes I did hear it , so you see it’s not on it’s way is it dreamboy😂? It’s all up in the air at the moment as it seems they don’t know their ass from their elbow. I'm sure all the parties involved will release their plans when a full agreement is in place, very soon i bet In Wael we all trust
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Post by sallycinnamon on Feb 26, 2018 13:29:34 GMT
And also what did Wael say to you , you haven’t yet divulged?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 26, 2018 13:29:41 GMT
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 26, 2018 13:30:34 GMT
And also what did Wael say to you , you haven’t yet divulged? Watch the video, told me everything i need to hear with out blinkered ears
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Post by sallycinnamon on Feb 26, 2018 13:31:23 GMT
plans bcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz yes I did hear it , so you see it’s not on it’s way is it dreamboy😂? It’s all up in the air at the moment as it seems they don’t know their ass from their elbow. I'm sure all the parties involved will release their plans when a full agreement is in place, very soon i bet In Wael we all trust “In Wael we all trust” except that’s not entirely true is it , I think if you held a poll at one of our forthcoming home matches then I’ll think you’ll be surprised. Just saying.
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