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Post by oldgas on Mar 3, 2018 13:46:53 GMT
I wonder if the Al Quadi family, when they feel in need of a good laugh, read these pages of pure speculation, bullshit and guesswork with regards to their business model, finance, future plans, provenance etc etc.
They must spend hours and hours of unrestrained merriment and joy, p1ssing themselves with laughter as they peruse thread after thread of utter bollocks.
These forums do have a use, you know.
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Post by baggins on Mar 3, 2018 13:55:00 GMT
I wonder if the Al Quadi family, when they feel in need of a good laugh, read these pages of pure speculation, bullshit and guesswork with regards to their business model, finance, future plans, provenance etc etc. They must spend hours and hours of unrestrained merriment and joy, p1ssing themselves with laughter as they peruse thread after thread of utter bollocks. These forums do have a use, you know. I know I do.
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Post by sallycinnamon on Mar 3, 2018 14:09:35 GMT
but you are old and you are a tart I’ve seen you in the your shop and it also looks like you need to cut down on the pork pies mate get some exercise 😘🤣 Hey, that's enough. Ill have you know that Henbury is the highly valued chief test pilot at Bowyers. His opinion is eagerly sought with each fresh batch of their pork pies, and other fatty pork products. If H says "No" the batch is dumped. No iff's, no but's. A rival manufacturer once tried to lure him away with the promise of free pork scratching so for life. But he declined. Such loyalty is is rare these days, and it extends to The Gas. It's not common knowledge, but several months ago the Rosy Cheeked Lady Garden tried to lure him to the Dark Side with the promise of a free, extra large executive box, the better to accommodate his ample, rotund proportions. The response is too vicious to repeat here, suffice to say the RFLG was advised to "Do one" Leave it out sounds like a right load of old pork pies
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Post by sallycinnamon on Mar 3, 2018 14:14:20 GMT
but you are old and you are a tart I’ve seen you in the your shop and it also looks like you need to cut down on the pork pies mate get some exercise 😘🤣 Hey, that's enough. Ill have you know that Henbury is the highly valued chief test pilot at Bowyers. His opinion is eagerly sought with each fresh batch of their pork pies, and other fatty pork products. If H says "No" the batch is dumped. No iff's, no but's. A rival manufacturer once tried to lure him away with the promise of free pork scratching so for life. But he declined. Such loyalty is is rare these days, and it extends to The Gas. It's not common knowledge, but several months ago the Rosy Cheeked Lady Garden tried to lure him to the Dark Side with the promise of a free, extra large executive box, the better to accommodate his ample, rotund proportions. The response is too vicious to repeat here, suffice to say the RFLG was advised to "Do one" Leave it out sounds like a right load of old pork pies
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Post by singupgas on Mar 3, 2018 14:15:29 GMT
I wonder if the Al Quadi family, when they feel in need of a good laugh, read these pages of pure speculation, bullshit and guesswork with regards to their business model, finance, future plans, provenance etc etc. They must spend hours and hours of unrestrained merriment and joy, p1ssing themselves with laughter as they peruse thread after thread of utter bollocks. These forums do have a use, you know. I laugh at all the people believe stadium will be built when we walked away from best prospect in long time with no explanation. People have accepted us being second rate and that we should continue as we were. Not in the know and no public direction. All one big secret the development of the men isn't it. Will be same in a years time, no closer to ground being built.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 14:18:03 GMT
Leave it out sounds like a right load of old pork pies
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 3, 2018 14:36:03 GMT
My goodness this is painful. Which own and draw capital from where? And who are the majority shareholders thereof? Not half as painful as reading these types of threads not knowing whether to chip in and risk prolonging the agony. Swiss is right about one thing (well half right as it applies to both sides of the arguement) is that it is important to discuss these issues but it soon becomes polarised as people seem to have already made up their minds. Perhaps we should draw a line under what has happened and talk about how we can move forward.
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Post by baggins on Mar 3, 2018 14:42:56 GMT
I wonder if the Al Quadi family, when they feel in need of a good laugh, read these pages of pure speculation, bullshit and guesswork with regards to their business model, finance, future plans, provenance etc etc. They must spend hours and hours of unrestrained merriment and joy, p1ssing themselves with laughter as they peruse thread after thread of utter bollocks. These forums do have a use, you know. I laugh at all the people believe stadium will be built when we walked away from best prospect in long time with no explanation. People have accepted us being second rate and that we should continue as we were. Not in the know and no public direction. All one big secret the development of the men isn't it. Will be same in a years time, no closer to ground being built. Ever asked yourself why we walked away? Not in the know and no public direction? What the hell does that mean?
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Post by singupgas on Mar 3, 2018 15:01:18 GMT
I laugh at all the people believe stadium will be built when we walked away from best prospect in long time with no explanation. People have accepted us being second rate and that we should continue as we were. Not in the know and no public direction. All one big secret the development of the men isn't it. Will be same in a years time, no closer to ground being built. Ever asked yourself why we walked away? Not in the know and no public direction? What the hell does that mean? Baggins, it means why is everything so secret. Ok look forward to hearing something from the board that is not open ended.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 15:02:10 GMT
I laugh at all the people believe stadium will be built when we walked away from best prospect in long time with no explanation. People have accepted us being second rate and that we should continue as we were. Not in the know and no public direction. All one big secret the development of the men isn't it. Will be same in a years time, no closer to ground being built. Ever asked yourself why we walked away? Not in the know and no public direction? What the hell does that mean? Got no money init.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 3, 2018 17:47:30 GMT
Things have happened since they took over. Countless extra backroom staff, training facilities, they even get fed! Plus they've paid off the Directors loans, given DC a 5 year contract, extended contracts for 4? Players and brought in 5? Players to add to the squad. The main gripe, yours included but I can understand why, is the UWE failure (which I'm sure was down to UWE being ran as a commitee which is never good news and their constant requests for changes to the plans leading to Wael getting fed up with it and walking away as what they wanted was not in the interest of BRFC), and the lack of communication. Let's face it, the previous Board weren't exactly brilliant at that either, as well as employing Lawyers who allowed Sainsburys to wriggle out of the deal. 2 years? Not really that long is it. To expect a huge turnaround I think is unrealistic. Frustrating, but unrealistic and unfair. In 2006 when we were L2 and when Higgs was appointed to the board, it took him 18 months to announce the first plans for the Mem regeneration. It was the world recession which halted that project and the 3 years of pain thereafter, by which plans were afoot for the UWE/Sainsbury’s Project. So I don’t get why such a time scale of 2 years and counting without a plan b is considered to be ok and acceptable? Like I said earlier, the ALQs have had a positive effect, no doubt about it but time is of the essence for a new stadium and it should be top of the list of getting sorted out. So if we went for "Plan B" whilst UWE was still on going, knowing the consultancy fees for the UWE are £1m + would you not consider that a complete waste of money we do not have ?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 3, 2018 17:50:43 GMT
Hey, that's enough. Ill have you know that Henbury is the highly valued chief test pilot at Bowyers. His opinion is eagerly sought with each fresh batch of their pork pies, and other fatty pork products. If H says "No" the batch is dumped. No iff's, no but's. A rival manufacturer once tried to lure him away with the promise of free pork scratching so for life. But he declined. Such loyalty is is rare these days, and it extends to The Gas. It's not common knowledge, but several months ago the Rosy Cheeked Lady Garden tried to lure him to the Dark Side with the promise of a free, extra large executive box, the better to accommodate his ample, rotund proportions. The response is too vicious to repeat here, suffice to say the RFLG was advised to "Do one" Leave it out sounds like a right load of old pork pies Saying i like pork pies is a could be a very racist remark.... How do you know that i'm not a follower of the muslim faith and as such i could have you in court...
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 3, 2018 19:46:12 GMT
In 2006 when we were L2 and when Higgs was appointed to the board, it took him 18 months to announce the first plans for the Mem regeneration. It was the world recession which halted that project and the 3 years of pain thereafter, by which plans were afoot for the UWE/Sainsbury’s Project. So I don’t get why such a time scale of 2 years and counting without a plan b is considered to be ok and acceptable? Like I said earlier, the ALQs have had a positive effect, no doubt about it but time is of the essence for a new stadium and it should be top of the list of getting sorted out. So if we went for "Plan B" whilst UWE was still on going, knowing the consultancy fees for the UWE are £1m + would you not consider that a complete waste of money we do not have ? Is that not the same as pulling the plug you have already spent £1m on? We are told it wasn’t a knee jerk reaction... Looking and architecting a plan b at the Mem would be and should be considerably cheaper bearing in mind we already have previous plans and permission to build.
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Post by peterparker on Mar 3, 2018 19:49:58 GMT
Can you capitalise two stadium projects at the same time?
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 3, 2018 19:55:46 GMT
I’ve made no such suggestion. Our president has no direct controlling influence on how much money he can personally put into our club via the family fortune or companies the family own, because he isn’t a majority shareholder in them himself. Purely from a business and financial perspective he has no outright control. If the board of AJB and their other investment holding companies decide that money into BRFC is no longer worth it, want to sell BRFC or want their money back they have given to the club, regardless of what Wael says or how thick the ALQ bloodline is, it could potentially put us in a precarious situation. Especially when there is a charge against the only asset the club own themselves. Given that we are a loss making exercise and the ALQs are all about making money, there is a natural conflict there. Unless there are sure footed plans with finance in place to make the club valuable to their investment at some point in the future, which there isn’t so far, and the fact that our chairman doesn’t like football, and we get zero in the way of comms from the club on all these behind the scenes projects they keep saying there are, then it makes it an unnerving time. AJB cannot sell Bristol Rovers because they do not own it - nor do they own Dwane Sports. Dwane Sports owns Bristol Rovers (or 92% of) and Dwane Sports is owned by the Al-Qadi famiy - not the AJBank. The owners of AJB are the same people who own, finance and underwrite losses on BRFC via DS or any other holding company you want to call it. The majority shareholders are Hani and his father. Wael is not a majority shareholder in either. He is a listed director of BRFC the same as Steve Hamer, who also has no controlling interest. Meaning Hani and his father is the money man for everything, meaning he controls the financial aspect and future of BRFC. If Hani and the other majority shareholders decide that no more money is to be spent on DS who own and control BRFC then Wael has no influence otherwise as he is not a majority shareholder in either company. I am not talking about AJB wanting to sell, I’m talking about whether the majority shareholders of the ALQ personal wealth who own as a collective all companies decide whether to continue to finance DS/BRFC or want the money loaned to the club repaid. The only way Wael could do it is by taking control of DS himself via any personal wealth and becoming the sole director owner and majority shareholder. But there is no evidence to suggest he has any. That is what you are choosing to ignore. And why it makes our situation potentially perilous. Clearly you can’t educate pork....only stuff it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 20:47:21 GMT
AJB cannot sell Bristol Rovers because they do not own it - nor do they own Dwane Sports. Dwane Sports owns Bristol Rovers (or 92% of) and Dwane Sports is owned by the Al-Qadi famiy - not the AJBank. The owners of AJB are the same people who own, finance and underwrite losses on BRFC via DS or any other holding company you want to call it. The majority shareholders are Hani and his father. Wael is not a majority shareholder in either. He is a listed director of BRFC the same as Steve Hamer, who also has no controlling interest. Meaning Hani and his father is the money man for everything, meaning he controls the financial aspect and future of BRFC. If Hani and the other majority shareholders decide that no more money is to be spent on DS who own and control BRFC then Wael has no influence otherwise as he is not a majority shareholder in either company. I am not talking about AJB wanting to sell, I’m talking about whether the majority shareholders of the ALQ personal wealth who own as a collective all companies decide whether to continue to finance DS/BRFC or want the money loaned to the club repaid. The only way Wael could do it is by taking control of DS himself via any personal wealth and becoming the sole director owner and majority shareholder. But there is no evidence to suggest he has any. That is what you are choosing to ignore. And why it makes our situation potentially perilous. Clearly you can’t educate pork....only stuff it. So you are saying we are owned by AJB.The AQ's are shareholders of AJB,a 19% holding I believe has been reported but they are in no way the owners of AJB.Im with knowall on this.
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Post by aghast on Mar 3, 2018 21:20:05 GMT
Can you capitalise two stadium projects at the same time? TWO STADIUM PROJECTS AT THE SAME TIME
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Post by knowall on Mar 3, 2018 21:29:52 GMT
The owners of AJB are the same people who own, finance and underwrite losses on BRFC via DS or any other holding company you want to call it. The majority shareholders are Hani and his father. Wael is not a majority shareholder in either. He is a listed director of BRFC the same as Steve Hamer, who also has no controlling interest. Meaning Hani and his father is the money man for everything, meaning he controls the financial aspect and future of BRFC. If Hani and the other majority shareholders decide that no more money is to be spent on DS who own and control BRFC then Wael has no influence otherwise as he is not a majority shareholder in either company. I am not talking about AJB wanting to sell, I’m talking about whether the majority shareholders of the ALQ personal wealth who own as a collective all companies decide whether to continue to finance DS/BRFC or want the money loaned to the club repaid. The only way Wael could do it is by taking control of DS himself via any personal wealth and becoming the sole director owner and majority shareholder. But there is no evidence to suggest he has any. That is what you are choosing to ignore. And why it makes our situation potentially perilous. Clearly you can’t educate pork....only stuff it. So you are saying we are owned by AJB.The AQ's are shareholders of AJB,a 19% holding I believe has been reported but they are in no way the owners of AJB.Im with knowall on this. Thank you for your intervention bertram, gashead1981 is mistaken in much of his argument, and being rude as per his last sentence is not helpful. I think we have invaded the private and personal finances of our owners too much who instead deserve respect for the time and effort (and money) they have invested in our favourite club. As I have said previously time will tell and perhaps we should all wait and see. And in the meantime support rather than make mischief.
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Post by axegas on Mar 3, 2018 21:30:36 GMT
The owners of AJB are the same people who own, finance and underwrite losses on BRFC via DS or any other holding company you want to call it. The majority shareholders are Hani and his father. Wael is not a majority shareholder in either. He is a listed director of BRFC the same as Steve Hamer, who also has no controlling interest. Meaning Hani and his father is the money man for everything, meaning he controls the financial aspect and future of BRFC. If Hani and the other majority shareholders decide that no more money is to be spent on DS who own and control BRFC then Wael has no influence otherwise as he is not a majority shareholder in either company. I am not talking about AJB wanting to sell, I’m talking about whether the majority shareholders of the ALQ personal wealth who own as a collective all companies decide whether to continue to finance DS/BRFC or want the money loaned to the club repaid. The only way Wael could do it is by taking control of DS himself via any personal wealth and becoming the sole director owner and majority shareholder. But there is no evidence to suggest he has any. That is what you are choosing to ignore. And why it makes our situation potentially perilous. Clearly you can’t educate pork....only stuff it. So you are saying we are owned by AJB.The AQ's are shareholders of AJB,a 19% holding I believe has been reported but they are in no way the owners of AJB.Im with knowall on this. Founders and majority shareholders though... Don't forget they have lots of other business interests too.
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Post by aghast on Mar 3, 2018 21:31:28 GMT
Flippant remarks aside, this whole thing about Hani being the money man, and Wael being the playboy who was given a little football club to keep him out of mischief, is clearly just made-up stuff.
We have no idea about how close the relationship is between the members of the family, but a forum myth seems to have developed that Wael wants to spend millions, and Hani is the evil dark lord stopping it happening.
It's just speculation and gossip.
Until we have some news, how can we judge the family?
Which is why we need some news. Or want it, at least.
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