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Post by tbonegas on Apr 5, 2018 16:39:31 GMT
3 to go for me Bola Nichols And you all know who my third person is Who?
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Apr 5, 2018 16:57:33 GMT
Why do we need a big clear out of players ? This group have proved they are good enough to finish in top half of this division so surely we need to be adding to what we have rather than shipping out 6 or 7 as some have suggested. Assuming we don't sign any of the current loan players I'd be looking to sign a left back, central midfielder, winger & 2 strikers permanently with any gaps made up from the development squad, I don't see the need for any loans unless they are going to be regular starters. Why keep unwanted players who just make up the squad? so you would keep burn,Moore,j Clarke who ain’t contributed virtually all season? Then when the loans go back that’s 6 players including the above they then all free up wages for new faces Clarke has been injured since the 1st game & as soon as he was fit he was in the squad, Moore I'd keep as for 18 months he barely played as a right winger due to Bodin's form. The last few games playing in his preferred position he's looked a lot better. Burn I'd agree with to be honest I'd forgotten about him !!
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Post by mjhgas on Apr 5, 2018 17:10:07 GMT
More short memories from those that would have watched Paul Trollope dismantle a squad too quickly! It doesn't always work - why take the chance?
DC might bin 3-4 players but not expecting wholesale changes - not his style.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Apr 5, 2018 17:14:00 GMT
It looks like I'm in the minority here, but I'd keep Nichols for another season. We aren't in a position where we can just write off £300K no questions. There must be a player in there somewhere. Give him another pre-season, get his confidence up and fingers crossed he'll turn into the player DC thinks he is.
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Post by Marshy on Apr 5, 2018 17:20:48 GMT
It looks like I'm in the minority here, but I'd keep Nichols for another season. We aren't in a position where we can just write off £300K no questions. There must be a player in there somewhere. Give him another pre-season, get his confidence up and fingers crossed he'll turn into the player DC thinks he is. I agree and we all know that DC won’t give up on him just yet and rightly so. Although I think he may go out on loan at the start of the season but that depends on who else we get in during the summer.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Apr 5, 2018 17:27:30 GMT
It looks like I'm in the minority here, but I'd keep Nichols for another season. We aren't in a position where we can just write off £300K no questions. There must be a player in there somewhere. Give him another pre-season, get his confidence up and fingers crossed he'll turn into the player DC thinks he is. I agree and we all know that DC won’t give up on him just yet and rightly so. Although I think he may go out on loan at the start of the season but that depends on who else we get in during the summer. I thought the same about a loan move too, though DC doesn't usually loan first teamers out. The one player who I recall going out on loan was Ellis too Hartlepool, and he is a better player after that move. Although I doubt it was all down to that the one month loan....
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Post by Marshy on Apr 5, 2018 17:33:03 GMT
I agree and we all know that DC won’t give up on him just yet and rightly so. Although I think he may go out on loan at the start of the season but that depends on who else we get in during the summer. I thought the same about a loan move, though DC doesn't usually loan first teamers out. The one player who I recall going out on loan was Ellis too Hartlepool, and he is a better player after that move. Although I doubt it was all down to that the one month loan.... Well I don’t know about that, it certainly did something for him. He must have thought cheeky bastards sending me to those nothern monkeys, I ain’t going back to that shithole again so I’m gona get my finger out and show em! DC - Genius!
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Post by pucklegas on Apr 5, 2018 18:34:18 GMT
Mr Bone to go sky weather interested😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 19:17:40 GMT
I'd like to see us try to get Telford as there's something there and we are light up top. Wouldn't bother with Bola - not a patch on Brown and Craig can play left back anyway. Sweeney can go with our thanks, but Broadbent and Craig are better options.
Aside from the kids and loanees, and assuming their contracts are up (they may not be), I only see question marks over the following:
Burn - release. Just not good enough.
J Clarke - keep. I think DC sees him as an integral squad player, and rightly so imo.
Leadbitter - keep. Good player when fit and deserves a chance after an injury hit season.
Moore - aargghh! Difficult. I think I'd offer him a 1 year deal. Last last chance saloon though.
Gaffers - keep. Good player who brings the best out of others. Would be interesting to see Telford along side him, but Ellis rightly the #1 striker right now.
Aside from that, I can't make a case for releasing anyone. For some of those mentioned in this thread...Sincs is first name on the sheet, Lines has a fair few years left and is playing as well as ever, Brown is still reliable. So it's just Bola, Sweeney and Burn to go for me, freeing up space for the 2 or 3 key signings that may make the difference between where we are now and a play off side.
The bigger problem for me isn't who stays or goes, it's how we find room for both Lines and Sercombe in this side with both playing centrally. Particularly difficult with Bennett looking so good through the middle too. It's like Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes all over again!
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Apr 5, 2018 19:40:25 GMT
I'd like to see us try to get Telford as there's something there and we are light up top. Wouldn't bother with Bola - not a patch on Brown and Craig can play left back anyway. Sweeney can go with our thanks, but Broadbent and Craig are better options. Aside from the kids and loanees, and assuming their contracts are up (they may not be), I only see question marks over the following: Burn - release. Just not good enough. J Clarke - keep. I think DC sees him as an integral squad player, and rightly so imo. Leadbitter - keep. Good player when fit and deserves a chance after an injury hit season. Moore - aargghh! Difficult. I think I'd offer him a 1 year deal. Last last chance saloon though. Gaffers - keep. Good player who brings the best out of others. Would be interesting to see Telford along side him, but Ellis rightly the #1 striker right now. Aside from that, I can't make a case for releasing anyone. For some of those mentioned in this thread...Sincs is first name on the sheet, Lines has a fair few years left and is playing as well as ever, Brown is still reliable. So it's just Bola, Sweeney and Burn to go for me, freeing up space for the 2 or 3 key signings that may make the difference between where we are now and a play off side. The bigger problem for me isn't who stays or goes, it's how we find room for both Lines and Sercombe in this side with both playing centrally. Particularly difficult with Bennett looking so good through the middle too. It's like Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes all over again! You'd give Moore another year..? What has he done to justify that? Not having a go at you, just curious as to your thinking.
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Post by oldgas on Apr 5, 2018 20:34:36 GMT
I would add - Brown, Lines & Leadbitter to that list. Question to ask - if all these players were released by other clubs would DC want to sign any of them? - probably not IMO but for different reasons. With so many contracts up for renewal I feel DC is in a strong but difficult position now to weed out who has to go. If we go for too big a change in the summer then we could easily lose the squad ethos that DC has spent 4 years building. We did that before in Summer 2010 (I think without checking) and it went very wrong. PT got rid of the wrong players and replaced them with more expensive but lesser players! Imo, of course! 3/4 new signings that go in the first team, a defender, a midfielder and two forwards, supplemented by the best of the development squad would be good. And who we get rid of will be determined by which ones are out of contract I suppose. UTG! That's because PT is a complete plank as a manager. He has proved that conclusively with his inept performance after Lawrence departed, and backed that up with the disaster that was Cardiff. I trust DC to manage evolving the squad, PT isn't fit to lace his boots as a manager.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 5, 2018 21:23:18 GMT
I'd like to see us try to get Telford as there's something there and we are light up top. Wouldn't bother with Bola - not a patch on Brown and Craig can play left back anyway. Sweeney can go with our thanks, but Broadbent and Craig are better options. Aside from the kids and loanees, and assuming their contracts are up (they may not be), I only see question marks over the following: Burn - release. Just not good enough. J Clarke - keep. I think DC sees him as an integral squad player, and rightly so imo. Leadbitter - keep. Good player when fit and deserves a chance after an injury hit season. Moore - aargghh! Difficult. I think I'd offer him a 1 year deal. Last last chance saloon though. Gaffers - keep. Good player who brings the best out of others. Would be interesting to see Telford along side him, but Ellis rightly the #1 striker right now. Aside from that, I can't make a case for releasing anyone. For some of those mentioned in this thread...Sincs is first name on the sheet, Lines has a fair few years left and is playing as well as ever, Brown is still reliable. So it's just Bola, Sweeney and Burn to go for me, freeing up space for the 2 or 3 key signings that may make the difference between where we are now and a play off side. The bigger problem for me isn't who stays or goes, it's how we find room for both Lines and Sercombe in this side with both playing centrally. Particularly difficult with Bennett looking so good through the middle too. It's like Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes all over again! Agree with so much of this, put really well. And getting Sercombe and Lines in the central midfield is the biggest problem, 100% correct and has been all season. I’d play Sercombe of the two but every time I think that CL produces a good performance! Moore is difficult but I think I’d let him go. If we are looking to improve then we need to do better, I’m sure a decent player is there but tbh I’ve seen it so rarely, at Bolton last season, occasionally this season but if we are planning an assault on the the play offs then we need a better and more consistent player, so he goes. Burn, will go, is there any doubt on that? If DC can get a better balanced midfield and an attacker who gets goals I would be confident of a real go at the play offs. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 21:31:33 GMT
I'd like to see us try to get Telford as there's something there and we are light up top. Wouldn't bother with Bola - not a patch on Brown and Craig can play left back anyway. Sweeney can go with our thanks, but Broadbent and Craig are better options. Aside from the kids and loanees, and assuming their contracts are up (they may not be), I only see question marks over the following: Burn - release. Just not good enough. J Clarke - keep. I think DC sees him as an integral squad player, and rightly so imo. Leadbitter - keep. Good player when fit and deserves a chance after an injury hit season. Moore - aargghh! Difficult. I think I'd offer him a 1 year deal. Last last chance saloon though. Gaffers - keep. Good player who brings the best out of others. Would be interesting to see Telford along side him, but Ellis rightly the #1 striker right now. Aside from that, I can't make a case for releasing anyone. For some of those mentioned in this thread...Sincs is first name on the sheet, Lines has a fair few years left and is playing as well as ever, Brown is still reliable. So it's just Bola, Sweeney and Burn to go for me, freeing up space for the 2 or 3 key signings that may make the difference between where we are now and a play off side. The bigger problem for me isn't who stays or goes, it's how we find room for both Lines and Sercombe in this side with both playing centrally. Particularly difficult with Bennett looking so good through the middle too. It's like Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes all over again! You'd give Moore another year..? What has he done to justify that? Not having a go at you, just curious as to your thinking. It really is a 50/50 call. When you ask "what has he done...?", it's a difficult one to answer as the answer is clearly "not enough". I think there's some ability there though and that he can play a part. Three months ago I wouldn't have entertained the thought, but at times since Bodin left he's been pretty effective, albeit off the bench. It's a bit like the Nichols situation for me (although presumably he will have another year on his current deal) in that patience just might (might!) pay off. Keeping Moore also gives us the option to play 4-4-2 with a genuine right winger (rather than play Sercombe or Sinclair there), as I think Mensah is one for the future rather than someone who will play 30 games next season. That said, I do admit it would be very difficult to argue if DC did let him go. He's hardly set the place alight to be fair. If he does go though, I'd hope we could bring in a right winger for the reasons stated above. Either way though, DC's judgement has been pretty sound to date.
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Post by youln on Apr 5, 2018 21:54:50 GMT
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 5, 2018 22:05:24 GMT
If we go for too big a change in the summer then we could easily lose the squad ethos that DC has spent 4 years building. We did that before in Summer 2010 (I think without checking) and it went very wrong. PT got rid of the wrong players and replaced them with more expensive but lesser players! Imo, of course! 3/4 new signings that go in the first team, a defender, a midfielder and two forwards, supplemented by the best of the development squad would be good. And who we get rid of will be determined by which ones are out of contract I suppose. UTG! That's because PT is a complete plank as a manager. He has proved that conclusively with his inept performance after Lawrence departed, and backed that up with the disaster that was Cardiff. I trust DC to manage evolving the squad, PT isn't fit to lace his boots as a manager. Yes, DC may be a better manager than PT but up until that transfer window PT hadn’t done much wrong. He had continually improved us but made a serious miscalculation in dismantling the old squad wholesale. DC would do it more gradually as he has done so far. I also trust DC but he’s not infallible!! That’s why I think 3/4 players to come in maximum. UTG!
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Post by lisbongas on Apr 5, 2018 22:24:21 GMT
New striker alongside Ellis is essential, Gaffney has been found wanting, poor touch, wins, little in the air and slows each attack down. Nicholls is a neat footballer and and I still think will score goals. Telford 50/50 not convinced he is worth a major fee, can score goals from the bench but he is not a starter
Defensively Brown has another season but he now needs tougher competion. Next season may be his last
James Clarke and Leadbetter ideally would be given the remaining games this season to prove themselves but injuries prevent this so I would keep both, Leadbetter adds real pace in defence and on form adds quality in attack, Clarke is generally reliable.
Craig is solid and proving to be a good signing . On the other hand a good offer for Tom and I would take the money and strengthen elsewhere, I am not sure we have missed him when absent, he has at times been error prone and Broadbent has provided excellent cover and now deserves to start.
Partington 'a good buy and adds height to a short team.
Midfield. No question that Lines remains our best ballplayer, one bad immature mistake doesn't change the fact he has had a very good season and has at least two seasons left. Secombe/Bennett first season they have done very well but I believe next season they will get better.
Moore & Sinclair - Have been squad players at best and we should be looking to improve on both. They both remain in the same position as last season 50/50 and fail to convince that they are worthy of a first team place. How long do we persevere?
Ollie Clarke- Disappointing this season but proved last season that he can cut it at this level and I would hold onto him.
Burn, Bola and Sweeney release.
Slocombe- good distribution and solid enough.
This summer I hope to see 3 or 4 new faces capable of challenging hard for first team places, with a couple of development squad players who have done well out on loan added to the first team squad as an inspiration.
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Post by singupgas on Apr 5, 2018 22:25:55 GMT
I'd like to see us try to get Telford as there's something there and we are light up top. Wouldn't bother with Bola - not a patch on Brown and Craig can play left back anyway. Sweeney can go with our thanks, but Broadbent and Craig are better options. Aside from the kids and loanees, and assuming their contracts are up (they may not be), I only see question marks over the following: Burn - release. Just not good enough. J Clarke - keep. I think DC sees him as an integral squad player, and rightly so imo. Leadbitter - keep. Good player when fit and deserves a chance after an injury hit season. Moore - aargghh! Difficult. I think I'd offer him a 1 year deal. Last last chance saloon though. Gaffers - keep. Good player who brings the best out of others. Would be interesting to see Telford along side him, but Ellis rightly the #1 striker right now. Aside from that, I can't make a case for releasing anyone. For some of those mentioned in this thread...Sincs is first name on the sheet, Lines has a fair few years left and is playing as well as ever, Brown is still reliable. So it's just Bola, Sweeney and Burn to go for me, freeing up space for the 2 or 3 key signings that may make the difference between where we are now and a play off side. The bigger problem for me isn't who stays or goes, it's how we find room for both Lines and Sercombe in this side with both playing centrally. Particularly difficult with Bennett looking so good through the middle too. It's like Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes all over again! If we keep those players, then who would you get rid of? I doubt we are paying a high percentage of any of loanees, so wouldnt free up cash for DC. If DC wants us to improve and not stagnate in league one, he will need to get rid of players, yeah they have been good servants but everyone has to move eventually.
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Apr 5, 2018 22:34:25 GMT
Just a quick question what happened to Sweeney this season?
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Apr 5, 2018 22:47:29 GMT
a pretty good season and our squad is good. Just need to add to it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 22:49:31 GMT
It looks like I'm in the minority here, but I'd keep Nichols for another season. We aren't in a position where we can just write off £300K no questions. There must be a player in there somewhere. Give him another pre-season, get his confidence up and fingers crossed he'll turn into the player DC thinks he is. Hes under contract anyway so we could only move him on if he chose to leave.
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