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Post by socrates on Apr 19, 2018 7:55:42 GMT
It's great we have an u23 sides, obviously we were missing that. I don't know how many time it has to be said, but until a new stadium is delivered we are really just back to where to were 10 years ago with slightly wealthier owners. We must move into a better home, otherwise I fear we have hit the ceiling and will be nothing more than a mid table league 1 side at best. This is the cruxt of the matter, Singupgas has got it spot on. Without a new stadium that's all we'll ever be. I agree although I’d say championship bottom half at best.
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Post by Marshy on Apr 19, 2018 8:19:52 GMT
This is the cruxt of the matter, Singupgas has got it spot on. Without a new stadium that's all we'll ever be. I agree although I’d say championship bottom half at best. Do we really want that though? Struggling in the championship and getting turned over twice by the sh**! When we do eventually get to the championship we need to be ready and not just hoping to cling on to survival. If we havent got a new stadium by then we at least need to have one on way, i mean actually being constructed not all this pie in the sky that we've had for donkeys years!
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Post by singupgas on Apr 19, 2018 8:38:47 GMT
I agree although I’d say championship bottom half at best. Do we really want that though? Struggling in the championship and getting turned over twice by the sh**! When we do eventually get to the championship we need to be ready and not just hoping to cling on to survival. If we havent got a new stadium by then we at least need to have one on way, i mean actually being constructed not all this pie in sky that we've had for donkeys years! Exactly, i have probably become a little impatient with the board, but the idea of us scrapping our way into the championship and hanging on in our current stadium is not how i imagine a stable future for Bristol Rovers. Admittedly a new stadium does not 100% guarantee success but will go a long way. Better Players, Future managers and sponsors etc will come our way a lot easier.
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Post by Jomo on Apr 19, 2018 9:15:17 GMT
Stadium or no stadium, I wonder what everyone thinks our long term prospects could be if we do eventually get into the Championship? Reason I ask is that the Championship is so incredibly competitive now, that I do wonder that if we do get there, we'd just be a flash in the pan? Even well supported ex-Prem clubs with strong infrastructure are struggling to compete at the top end of the Championship, such as Ipswich, Forest, Brum, Blackburn, Sunderland, Charlton.
We really do need to have one hell of a master plan to be able to sustainably outmanoeuvre clubs like these.
Fingers crossed the Al Qadi family can bring us success like Swansea, Brighton, and previously Reading, Hull and Wigan had.
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Post by singupgas on Apr 19, 2018 9:24:14 GMT
Stadium or no stadium, I wonder what everyone thinks our long term prospects could be if we do eventually get into the Championship? Reason I ask is that the Championship is so incredibly competitive now, that I do wonder that if we do get there, we'd just be a flash in the pan? Even well supported ex-Prem clubs with strong infrastructure are struggling to compete at the top end of the Championship, such as Ipswich, Forest, Brum, Blackburn, Sunderland, Charlton. We really do need to have one hell of a master plan to be able to sustainably outmanoeuvre clubs like these. Fingers crossed the Al Qadi family can bring us success like Swansea, Brighton, and previously Reading, Hull and Wigan had. Wed be up and down after one season if we did somehow make it into the championship. Think a lot of fans are kidding themselves if they believe we currently have a squad capable of reaching the championship, we have flirted with playoff, but ultimately we will finish mid table. The squad needs improving, some of our favorites of recent years need to be moved on and better players brought in. Those clubs mentioned all moved into new grounds.
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Post by lpgas on Apr 19, 2018 9:28:57 GMT
I think they are waiting for us to go up before they think about a ground. It was interesting that the mayor was at the Blackburn match. Perhaps build the Arena in Filton and we will build our ground and contribute to the cost of the land scenario?
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Post by singupgas on Apr 19, 2018 9:50:29 GMT
I think they are waiting for us to go up before they think about a ground. It was interesting that the mayor was at the Blackburn match. Perhaps build the Arena in Filton and we will build our ground and contribute to the cost of the land scenario? Surely you would want to start building before you made it into the level above though?
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Post by Marshy on Apr 19, 2018 9:55:00 GMT
I think they are waiting for us to go up before they think about a ground. It was interesting that the mayor was at the Blackburn match. Perhaps build the Arena in Filton and we will build our ground and contribute to the cost of the land scenario? Anything is possible but remember this is Bristol Rovers not Carlsberg, probably?
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Post by Gasshole on Apr 19, 2018 10:23:16 GMT
Stadium or no stadium, I wonder what everyone thinks our long term prospects could be if we do eventually get into the Championship? Reason I ask is that the Championship is so incredibly competitive now, that I do wonder that if we do get there, we'd just be a flash in the pan? Even well supported ex-Prem clubs with strong infrastructure are struggling to compete at the top end of the Championship, such as Ipswich, Forest, Brum, Blackburn, Sunderland, Charlton. We really do need to have one hell of a master plan to be able to sustainably outmanoeuvre clubs like these. Fingers crossed the Al Qadi family can bring us success like Swansea, Brighton, and previously Reading, Hull and Wigan had. Wed be up and down after one season if we did somehow make it into the championship. Think a lot of fans are kidding themselves if they believe we currently have a squad capable of reaching the championship, we have flirted with playoff, but ultimately we will finish mid table. The squad needs improving, some of our favorites of recent years need to be moved on and better players brought in. Those clubs mentioned all moved into new grounds. Ooooh, did someone say pie. Next season to go up we need + 25 goal difference, simple as that.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Apr 19, 2018 11:45:05 GMT
Wed be up and down after one season if we did somehow make it into the championship. Think a lot of fans are kidding themselves if they believe we currently have a squad capable of reaching the championship, we have flirted with playoff, but ultimately we will finish mid table. The squad needs improving, some of our favorites of recent years need to be moved on and better players brought in. Those clubs mentioned all moved into new grounds. Ooooh, did someone say pie. Next season to go up we need + 25 goal difference, simple as that.
Not having an annual "best player giveaway" in January would be a start.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 12:46:09 GMT
Exactly so no money has been written off. @holmes , your previous post says the family are not actually risking anything because of the charge. If they are securing a loan beyond the value of that asset, would you agree they are now risking their money? I don’t think the value of the loans currently exceed the value of the asset.
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Post by poorblue on Apr 19, 2018 14:57:19 GMT
I think they are waiting for us to go up before they think about a ground. It was interesting that the mayor was at the Blackburn match. Perhaps build the Arena in Filton and we will build our ground and contribute to the cost of the land scenario? Don't think there was a Mayor at the game. Bristol mayor is Marvin Rees. Don't think South Glos has one, and their title is Chair who is a man but the Vice chair is a woman. The person sat in the Rovers Board VIP box wearing a gold chain was a woman who was probably Lord Mayor of Bristol called Lesley Alexander. Her CV is an ex International Banker and sits on the Planning Committee. ( I didn't get into the box to check out the plans and scale model of the regeneration of the Mem though )Seems like the sort of person you need on your side if developing/redeveloping a stadium in Bristol. At least she didn't wear RED like the last one I recall being invited. I do believe Bristol CC is actually trying to help keep Rovers within the City boundary. Two reasons is the money generated to all Bristol residents through employment and business rates and the GREEN issues of travel.
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Post by oldgas on Apr 19, 2018 16:05:21 GMT
@holmes , your previous post says the family are not actually risking anything because of the charge. If they are securing a loan beyond the value of that asset, would you agree they are now risking their money? I don’t think the value of the loans currently exceed the value of the asset. So what, if they decide to bail out when the value of th assets exceeding the debt by £1.00, they'd get,er, £1.00. I reckon securing their debt against something they own is just some arcane tax beneficial move. Nothing more or less. It's not the sort of thing the average fan, operating on PAYE knows, or necssarily needs to know. Myself included.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 16:44:55 GMT
I don’t think the value of the loans currently exceed the value of the asset. So what, if they decide to bail out when the value of th assets exceeding the debt by £1.00, they'd get,er, £1.00. I reckon securing their debt against something they own is just some arcane tax beneficial move. Nothing more or less. It's not the sort of thing the average fan, operating on PAYE knows, or necssarily needs to know. Myself included. Ignorance is bliss as they say.
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Post by markczgas on Apr 19, 2018 20:52:46 GMT
It's great we have an u23 sides, obviously we were missing that. I don't know how many time it has to be said, but until a new stadium is delivered we are really just back to where to were 10 years ago with slightly wealthier owners. We must move into a better home, otherwise I fear we have hit the ceiling and will be nothing more than a mid table league 1 side at best. you got to add to that the training ground for all groups - 1st team, U23s, youth and Academy.
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Post by markczgas on Apr 19, 2018 20:57:04 GMT
Stadium or no stadium, I wonder what everyone thinks our long term prospects could be if we do eventually get into the Championship? Reason I ask is that the Championship is so incredibly competitive now, that I do wonder that if we do get there, we'd just be a flash in the pan? Even well supported ex-Prem clubs with strong infrastructure are struggling to compete at the top end of the Championship, such as Ipswich, Forest, Brum, Blackburn, Sunderland, Charlton. We really do need to have one hell of a master plan to be able to sustainably outmanoeuvre clubs like these. Fingers crossed the Al Qadi family can bring us success like Swansea, Brighton, and previously Reading, Hull and Wigan had. Wed be up and down after one season if we did somehow make it into the championship. Think a lot of fans are kidding themselves if they believe we currently have a squad capable of reaching the championship, we have flirted with playoff, but ultimately we will finish mid table. The squad needs improving, some of our favorites of recent years need to be moved on and better players brought in. Those clubs mentioned all moved into new grounds. To be honest, we flirted with playoffs last season, this season we have never been above 9th - so no flirting there ??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 0:00:21 GMT
Everybody knows we need a new ground to become an established championship club and realise our potential to attract better crowds but i would love a wild card burton type promotion. Imagine sheff wed,derby,west brom,aston villa etc coming to town,it would be great imo. I would also much rather be playing local derbies against a stronger team than going 20 years without playing them in a league match.
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Apr 20, 2018 6:30:50 GMT
I agree there is some good things happening off the pitch since the family took over, but we are way away from having to eat humble pie (OP) I’m sure all us cynical supporters would love a chance for a photo op in the new swanky restaurant at our new stadium eating a ‘humble pie”, but not yet, the wait for news continues......
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 20, 2018 7:27:54 GMT
Is it true that we don’t need a new stadium to go up to the championship?
We would certainly need one to survive and would definitely need one to finish mid table and a stadium infrastructure earning revenue to compete.
What I don’t understand is, out of all of the evolution, money being spent here and there, the stadium is the most time consuming project in terms of plan and then delivery. It’s at least a 2year planning phase, to go through the various councils and reviews and protests as well as architect adjustments and then sign off for the adjustments. It’s then a 3 year build including getting contractors in, materials ordered and finally building the thing.
So even if we submitted plans in May for a new Mem or some other project on land we haven’t even yet acquired, the earliest date we will be in a new stadium is 23/24 season.
Currently, and DC has said it previously, we can’t compete for wages and players in L1, so how on earth will he do that should we get to the championship? We wouldn’t. We would be another Burton. Up there for a year, maybe 2 and back down again.
So here is the questions. Is everyone happy to have the same season we have had for the next 5 years, with a possible shout of play offs? Can DC build a team to get automatic on a top 10 wage budget in L1? Will DC stick around that long?
If the answers to any of the above is a solid no, then it’s clear we will need a new stadium before we get to the championship.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 20, 2018 7:42:54 GMT
"So here is the questions. Is everyone happy to have the same season we have had for the next 5 years, with a possible shout of play offs? Can DC build a team to get automatic on a top 10 wage budget in L1? Will DC stick around that long? "
What can we do if we're not? Either stop watching Rovers or just carry on supporting the club as we have done for years in the hope one day we get a new ground whilst we're still young enough to enjoy it.
As far as the Championship if we don't aim to get there next season then how do you motivate the players to sign and the fans to buy s/t's?
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