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Post by jaunkerr on Apr 28, 2018 11:25:34 GMT
Now that this has been aired and people have had a chance to express their views would it not be best if the mods locked this thread? Parents all over the country will be expressing similar feelings about their own teenagers etc. and will be disappointed if they haven’t “made it”. But expressing disappointment is one thing but to criticise other players and making allegations against club staff is completely unacceptable and shouldn’t be given space imo. It was a rant against BRFC nothing less. He could even have left himself open to people coming back at him legally, either way he should not be given space to do this imo.The Development squad have all done brilliantly led by CH and others. They should not be made to feel embarrassed. These things happen every year in football and will do in years to come. Come on mods lock this thread. UTG! On the contrary, its been a good debate, no one has over stepped the mark(for a change...) The dad obviously likes the limelight, why else would he put it out there on social media for all to see. I say carry this good thread on. The dad had a rant against BRFC, no one has responded in kind against him. Totally agree with you m8
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Post by jaunkerr on Apr 28, 2018 11:27:15 GMT
He posted it on the "Bristol Rovers Appreciation" group. I believe he owes the club an apology, it was a self centered entitled post and to express views about our young uns like he did was out of order. He did try and apologise afterwards, however any club thinking of taking Lewis on May think twice now (if they see this rant). Why should he apologise ? People died for the right to express their views
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 28, 2018 11:56:01 GMT
Now that this has been aired and people have had a chance to express their views would it not be best if the mods locked this thread? Parents all over the country will be expressing similar feelings about their own teenagers etc. and will be disappointed if they haven’t “made it”. But expressing disappointment is one thing but to criticise other players and making allegations against club staff is completely unacceptable and shouldn’t be given space imo. It was a rant against BRFC nothing less. He could even have left himself open to people coming back at him legally, either way he should not be given space to do this imo.The Development squad have all done brilliantly led by CH and others. They should not be made to feel embarrassed. These things happen every year in football and will do in years to come. Come on mods lock this thread. UTG! On the contrary, its been a good debate, no one has over stepped the mark(for a change...) The dad obviously likes the limelight, why else would he put it out there on social media for all to see. I say carry this good thread on. The dad had a rant against BRFC, no one has responded in kind against him. Actually I thought the original post overstepped the mark insofar as the younger Hargreaves, CH himself and other youth team players have been called out and tbh I consider that “overstepped” the mark. But I stand by what I said about locking it to save further embarrassment. I have no problem with others having different opinions and respect your view SSU but I wouldn’t want employees of BRFC being made to feel bad when they have done nothing wrong. UTG!
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Post by peterparker on Apr 28, 2018 11:59:10 GMT
Of course it is going to be emotive for the lad and his father/family.
I understand being upset, and venting. Having a dig at Chris Hargreaves is one thing, but the other lads have done nothing wrong and dont deserve to be pin pointed, however good or bad a footballer they may be.
Good luck to Lewis and all those released. We all know the stories, so make one of your own
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 28, 2018 12:14:36 GMT
I’m sure he is upset and looking for reasons as to why his son wasn’t offered another year and I guess it’s totally natural to look at fellow players, make comparisons and feel why his own kid is better. Nothing like bias to cloud judgement I suppose.
Facts are Hargreaves has won the league with a group of players he’s had for a year. He knows what he wants to grow that group and he can’t keep them all. We aren’t Chelsea.
Best thing he could do for his son is rather than moan about what might have been publically, which I’m sure won’t sit well with other clubs, get him to work hard, apply to the Hoddle and Vardy academy’s and get him to earn something somewhere else. Others have done it, just needs to get his head down and crack on.
I do think he has a point about Ghassan tho....
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Post by gasify on Apr 28, 2018 12:23:04 GMT
He posted it on the "Bristol Rovers Appreciation" group. I believe he owes the club an apology, it was a self centered entitled post and to express views about our young uns like he did was out of order. He did try and apologise afterwards, however any club thinking of taking Lewis on May think twice now (if they see this rant). Why should he apologise ? People died for the right to express their views I suppose I feel an apology is needed because: 1) He over stepped the mark by going public with his rant. 2) He was trying to whip up sympathy from fans. He was clearly trying to create a them and us situation. 3) He mentioned players, when they should not be brought into the rant even if it was acceptable to go public. 4) He tried to have a go at the owners. Ghassan for example. If the owners are paying for a Jordanian to have experience in professional football then that is their decision. They own the club and its their money that is being spent. 5) He the admitted to being a PNE fan. So, if his lad is good enough he will be knocking at their door. If they refuse, will he have a similar rant. Business is business. We have just won the development league and we have had 7 players make their debut in the first team this year. I'd say that CH and his team can look back and be proud of their season. So, questioning things in the way that he did was naughty at best and back stabbingly out of order at worst. So, jaunkerr that is why I believe he should apologise. Yes, we fought for free speech. We didn't fight for free for all say anything without consequences. I hope the club brings a libel claim against him.
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Post by justin blue on Apr 28, 2018 13:43:56 GMT
No need for an apology imo though the dad should be embarrassed for going public, but its just a case of dad loving his son too much and as they say love is blind.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Apr 28, 2018 14:17:49 GMT
People are human. Yes, it was not helpful but he felt his son had been wronged and he let his emotions get out of control. As a father, I can sympathise, to a degree. I wish Lewis all the very best at forging a career for himself in the game.
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Post by inee on Apr 28, 2018 15:08:29 GMT
I know you're the man that knows the stats etc lol. I know he went on loan to Salisbury, do you know how he got on? I can't recall reading much about him in the weekly round up of our loan players. If he struggled, maybe that was a deciding factor. DC probably still has close links there and we must have got feedback from them. He had loans at Salisbury (2 games, 0 goals), Mangotsfield United (8 games, 1 goal) and Farnborough (9 games, 1 goal). He also had a loan at Yate but I haven't got the stats for that. Perhaps those lack of goals was a deciding factor like you say. Cheers for the stats ,puts a slightly different slant on things ,several ways to look at it ,30 goal season for us and a dry spell elsewhere ,does that mean hargreaves has got the u23 squad moving the ball and feeding him hence lots of goals, is his dry spell because the loan teams dont feed him the ball enough. A while back i used to coach a youth side ,the behaviour of a lot of parents was nothing short of vile ,trying to relive their youth through the kids ,it's a common trait ,i've seen kids who were good but forced to play so never realised their full potential ,i've seen kids bollocked loudly in front of everyone because they did something wrong or wern't quick enough ,been threatened for leaving little johnny out of a game, it goes on and on. The kids probably gutted but these things happen especially when they get to the age group he was and are dropped ,the coaches must have seen something that limited his talent it's also not unusual for some to reach the max of their ability ,or hit a wall in themselves ,as for 1st team game time again dc probably saw something he din't like ,these days i think kids are not used to rejection . To me what the dad did is unforgivable for several reasons ,firstly to suggest the side is fixed etc is just wrong, to complain about the people who have trained him until now is also wrong, to complain about other players being worse is wrong as it will probably den't their confidence ,maybe he just reached his max. Lewis dealt with it in a totally grown up manor and his dad should look at his son with pride as he said ,shook the coaches hand and said i'll prove you wrong, good luck to the fella hope he does make it. Me i would have thanked the club for bringing my sons talents to the level they are ,like someone else said he did his son no favours ,parents rants have a habit of biting the kids on their arse later on
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Post by LJG on Apr 28, 2018 18:27:03 GMT
On the contrary, its been a good debate, no one has over stepped the mark(for a change...) The dad obviously likes the limelight, why else would he put it out there on social media for all to see. I say carry this good thread on. The dad had a rant against BRFC, no one has responded in kind against him. Actually I thought the original post overstepped the mark insofar as the younger Hargreaves, CH himself and other youth team players have been called out and tbh I consider that “overstepped” the mark. But I stand by what I said about locking it to save further embarrassment. I have no problem with others having different opinions and respect your view SSU but I wouldn’t want employees of BRFC being made to feel bad when they have done nothing wrong. UTG! The bloke went public with it when he put it on an open Facebook group, it's not for the Gaschat moderators to protect his reputation.
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Post by ineedgas on Apr 28, 2018 18:47:47 GMT
Posted by Lewis's dad on Bristol Rovers appreciation on Facebook.. Gav Ellington is feeling disappointed. 1 hr · Bristol Farewell to Bristol Rovers! After my son's very dignified tweet on Twitter saying his own farewell, I thought a more truthful factual post was needed. People who know me know that I wear my heart on my sleeve and say it how it is but I will try to keep this as diplomatic as possible without coming across as a bitter parent. First of all I would like to start on a positive note and congratulate the development squad on there league victory having watched a few of the squad develop from boys into great young men and footballers is fantastic especially Luke Russe who has been there from the beginning and deserves everything he gets because he is a total professional in everything he does. Now to the negatives, yes Lewis has been released, that's life and that is football it is a very cut throat business. But his treatment this season has been nothing short of disrespectful and a Joke. He has been told by Hargreaves that he has one of the best attitudes in the squad but he is 2 years away from being first team ready and the club do not have the budget for this. He is 19 years old so that would make him 21, so I ask the question what is the point of having an under 23's squad? Why do they bring players from the likes of Germany who are 22? The biggest kick in the balls came this week finding out that Ghassan Hassan has been offered another years contract! 😂😂 a player who can hardly even kick a ball and could not even get off the bench at Mangotsfeild and has hardly played a minute of 23's football all season. Maybe this is because his family are financing the budget some how! 🤔 this is the biggest joke of all when a local lad who has been with the club 8 years has been told they do not have the budget to develop him. And let's remember that before his injury this is a lad that scored 30 goals for fun last season in the 18's and 23's combined! Lewis picked up a knee injury early season whilst on loan at Mangotsfeild, he ended up spending over 3 months out injured. He was informed by the doctor that he had suffered a tear to his madiscas, not at one stage was he sent for a scan by the club on this or the correct treatment supplied as it really should have been operated on. Since returning in December Lewis has only been given 2 45 minutes in development games in which he has scored 3 goals. Yet another player who has been offered a contract who plays a similar position has played 90 minutes in pretty much every game since then and not scored a single goal has been offered another year contract. No surprise on this is to find out his uncle is a very good friend of Chris Hargreaves! Whilst I am on the subject of Hargreaves, Lewis Leigh Gilchrist a quality attacking midfielder who has scored a boat load of goals whilst on loan this season but has got nowhere near the first team but Hargreaves son has! Is this a coincidence? No it is not! They are both attacking midfielders but if one has been kept back at the club and not sent out on loan once because he knows he will get seriously found out at men's football and if LLG is unavailable due to his loan then who gets the call! 🤔 if anyone apart from Luke deserved their chance this season it was LLG but he has been hidden away! I know in every walk of life you have favouritism and Nepatism but some of the above is nothing more than corrupt. Im sorry that this has been a bit of a rant and there is so much more I could say but I will leave it there and wish all you gasheads the best for the future as we have both been thankful for the support you have shown him on here and some of the comments that where put on here last season about him. Lewis being the man he has now become shook Hargreaves by the hand today looked him in the eyes and said I can't wait to prove you wrong! And I do hope he comes back to haunt you! 😁 I wish nothing but the best to all the under 23's who actually deserve their massive opportunity to be there! X Well after reading the last part of a very long rant I believe Lewis is the more mature in the family and wish him all the best in the future and hope he can prove rovers wrong
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Post by stigofthegas on Apr 28, 2018 18:49:56 GMT
He posted it on the "Bristol Rovers Appreciation" group. I believe he owes the club an apology, it was a self centered entitled post and to express views about our young uns like he did was out of order. He did try and apologise afterwards, however any club thinking of taking Lewis on May think twice now (if they see this rant). I agree 100% with this. He has damaged his sons chances as he has publicly demonstrated he doesn’t have the right support network around him. As a father he should be motivating his son to prove people wrong, not blaming everyone else and making a spectacle of himself. No class.
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Post by pirate on Apr 28, 2018 18:57:57 GMT
If he is good enough and a club likes his ability, a club will sign him regardless of what his father says.
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 28, 2018 19:05:59 GMT
Son has dignity,father has none whatsoever. Its what you see at grass roots junior football- the parents cause all the problems and in many cases I think they put the pressure on their youngsters for their own failings in the game. when you play6 Amatuer football at any level you realise that there are a lot of players around who look very good players but very very few get a chance at the pro game and when you watch young players play against young players there are a lot who look gems but will end up never making it even a local football level. The jump from boys football to mens football is huge and lots of players never make that step up. The step up from Amatuer to Proffessional is even bigger and unfortunately very very few make it. Fathers should take a back seat and allow their children to find their way in life and learn about life and its ups and down- criticising others is the lowest form of criticism and this sounds to me like a father throwing the toys out of the pram whilst Lewis has now to deal with the heartbreak. I hope Lewis can prove CH wrong rather than having to prove his father right!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 21:16:56 GMT
Its a very raw human reaction from the father so i cant be too hard on him despite the bitterness. Must admit when ive watched development games it did make me wonder about a potential difficult situation for dc should cameron hargreaves not get a contract or be released at some stage.
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 28, 2018 21:25:42 GMT
And that bluebutterfly is why kids are under so much pressure. Its not from the club its from the parents.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 22:22:10 GMT
And that bluebutterfly is why kids are under so much pressure. Its not from the club its from the parents. Ive managed youth teams and had to referee some games so i know just how difficult dealing with parents can be!
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Post by bs14gas on Apr 28, 2018 22:55:48 GMT
No need for an apology imo though the dad should be embarrassed for going public, but its just a case of dad loving his son too much and as they say love is blind. Dad loving son 'too much'?! I played with gav (dad) for years at totterdown Lewis used to come watch us every Saturday and would do kick ups on the side with a tennis ball at 8. His dad wasn't the best player (so don't know where Lewis gets it from) but even at that level gav wanted to win so much he would end up getting himself in trouble a lot, when he says wears his heart on his sleeve he really does. He will regret singling out players but will stand by what he thinks the club done with Lewis as to him winning is everything and hopefully that's been instilled into Lewis. Gav is genuinely a really nice bloke that wants his son to succeed and achieve as much as he can (doesn't most parents) with his talent because undoubtedly he does have it but maybe just not what the club were looking for. Hope he proves up wrong cuz he's from a lovely family and deserves it. UTG
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Post by justin blue on Apr 29, 2018 0:26:37 GMT
No need for an apology imo though the dad should be embarrassed for going public, but its just a case of dad loving his son too much and as they say love is blind. Dad loving son 'too much'?! I played with gav (dad) for years at totterdown Lewis used to come watch us every Saturday and would do kick ups on the side with a tennis ball at 8. His dad wasn't the best player (so don't know where Lewis gets it from) but even at that level gav wanted to win so much he would end up getting himself in trouble a lot, when he says wears his heart on his sleeve he really does. He will regret singling out players but will stand by what he thinks the club done with Lewis as to him winning is everything and hopefully that's been instilled into Lewis. Gav is genuinely a really nice bloke that wants his son to succeed and achieve as much as he can (doesn't most parents) with his talent because undoubtedly he does have it but maybe just not what the club were looking for. Hope he proves up wrong cuz he's from a lovely family and deserves it. UTG I admire your loyalty to your friend, but if your are trying to justify his action you are not doing yourself or him any favours.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 29, 2018 3:30:22 GMT
Actually I thought the original post overstepped the mark insofar as the younger Hargreaves, CH himself and other youth team players have been called out and tbh I consider that “overstepped” the mark. But I stand by what I said about locking it to save further embarrassment. I have no problem with others having different opinions and respect your view SSU but I wouldn’t want employees of BRFC being made to feel bad when they have done nothing wrong. UTG! The bloke went public with it when he put it on an open Facebook group, it's not for the Gaschat moderators to protect his reputation. I can understand what you’re saying but I was thinking more of protecting other players like the Jordanian and Cameron Hargreaves who have been identified with the implication that they only get picked through nepotism not ability. Could not give a monkey’s for Mr Ellington, he’s made his bed now him and his son will have to lie in it, thinking more of protecting others. UTG!
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