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Post by Henbury Gas on May 9, 2018 9:43:00 GMT
it seems to mainly be due to having a very small wage bill. The question is then, how do they achieve that and stay up? And the answer is 'by two points.' I think it's pretty much the universally most hated thing in all football, watching a poor team that makes a profit. or being a sh** head
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 9, 2018 9:57:28 GMT
It's yours and everyone else's free choice to care or not care about the finances of the club you support. As you obviously don't care I'd ignore those of us that do. The worst that can happen is the club goes bust with no assets, that's not so bad is it? This, without doubt, is the worst thing about this forum. Pretending you are the only one that cares as you peddle drama-queen nonsense. It is insulting and pathetic. Please stop it, grow up and learn to debate like an adult. Many of us have concerns. Very few would stoop so low as to post like this. The recent history of football clubs shows that in the main fans don't care, or care enough to ask questions, about the finances of the club they support until it's too late and that club has gone into administration. No suggestion there that we are going into administration but as I can't see a clear business plan, to stem the losses, I'll continue asking questions about how and why the club is financed
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Post by warehamgas on May 9, 2018 10:15:16 GMT
Lots of interesting stuff comparing us to Walsall. If, as it appears, they do better commercially than us and in transfers out of their club then I presume our owners are (being fairly clever bankers) looking at ways we can close that gap. Presumably other clubs are doing equally better than us with commercial activities and transfers. I draw the conclusion from this, and I know it’s a dangerous thing to do, that the appointment of Tom Gorringe, to do the commercial and business stuff and the Development squad, to develop our own talent are attempts by our owners to improve our club, financially. To this could be added the appointment of Tommy Widdrington to recruit talent which may well have sell-on values. None of these are going to give quick, short term answers but in the longer term they may well do so. Others, more itk, will tell me if this is the case , or not! UTG!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 9, 2018 10:20:36 GMT
This, without doubt, is the worst thing about this forum. Pretending you are the only one that cares as you peddle drama-queen nonsense. It is insulting and pathetic. Please stop it, grow up and learn to debate like an adult. Many of us have concerns. Very few would stoop so low as to post like this. The recent history of football clubs shows that in the main fans don't care, or care enough to ask questions, about the finances of the club they support until it's too late and that club has gone into administration. No suggestion there that we are going into administration but as I can't see a clear business plan, to stem the losses, I'll continue asking questions about how and why the club is financed And long may that continue. But no reason to demean other fans who hold a different view who can see a plan. It appears that we are building a decent scouting and youth set up which many see as a route to self sufficiency.
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Post by pirate49 on May 9, 2018 10:24:01 GMT
Lots of interesting stuff comparing us to Walsall. If, as it appears, they do better commercially than us and in transfers out of their club then I presume our owners are (being fairly clever bankers) looking at ways we can close that gap. Presumably other clubs are doing equally better than us with commercial activities and transfers. I draw the conclusion from this, and I know it’s a dangerous thing to do, that the appointment of Tom Gorringe, to do the commercial and business stuff and the Development squad, to develop our own talent are attempts by our owners to improve our club, financially. To this could be added the appointment of Tommy Widdrington to recruit talent which may well have sell-on values. None of these are going to give quick, short term answers but in the longer term they may well do so. Others, more itk, will tell me if this is the case , or not! UTG! ....and don't forget this fellow, whatever it is he does............. uk.linkedin.com/in/karimmardambey/de
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Post by warehamgas on May 9, 2018 10:28:26 GMT
This, without doubt, is the worst thing about this forum. Pretending you are the only one that cares as you peddle drama-queen nonsense. It is insulting and pathetic. Please stop it, grow up and learn to debate like an adult. Many of us have concerns. Very few would stoop so low as to post like this. The recent history of football clubs shows that in the main fans don't care, or care enough to ask questions, about the finances of the club they support until it's too late and that club has gone into administration. No suggestion there that we are going into administration but as I can't see a clear business plan, to stem the losses, I'll continue asking questions about how and why the club is financed Like most on here I do care about the finances of our club, it’s not only you who cares, but realise there is little any of us can do about it. We go to matches, support the club and hope we do well. I’ve said all along that I would like to see better communication about what their vision is for the club but have now realised I will not see a “clear business plan” outlined. They have talked about things in a ad hoc way and I now realise they keep things very close to their chests and do not publicise what’s going to happen. That is their way of doing things I think. I’m not worried by this as it appears to be their preferred way of working. Their actions, 5 year contract for our manager, supporting him in the transfer market which they have done (I know others may disagree), improved support staff across the club, the improvement to the pitch, small things around the stadium, appointment of key staff, Tom Gorringe, Tommy Widdrington to key positions (which most on here have said were needed) and the development squad all show a commitment to the club and speak louder than words anyway. I care deeply about this club and all parts of it but I am less worried by these owners than I have been about others. I wish they’d communicate better but I accept that they have a way of doing it. UTG!
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 9, 2018 10:34:54 GMT
The recent history of football clubs shows that in the main fans don't care, or care enough to ask questions, about the finances of the club they support until it's too late and that club has gone into administration. No suggestion there that we are going into administration but as I can't see a clear business plan, to stem the losses, I'll continue asking questions about how and why the club is financed And long may that continue. But no reason to demean other fans who hold a different view who can see a plan. It appears that we are building a decent scouting and youth set up which many see as a route to self sufficiency. Which is all well and good but the bricks and mortars improvements are still not materialising. And without that is there any real road to self sufficiency? The stadium I accept requires feasibility and funding but the training ground they are sat on the land with suitable planning permission to develop the pitches and infrastructure. So what is the hold up? Appreciate that's a question you can't answer but it is a relevant question
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 9, 2018 10:38:53 GMT
The recent history of football clubs shows that in the main fans don't care, or care enough to ask questions, about the finances of the club they support until it's too late and that club has gone into administration. No suggestion there that we are going into administration but as I can't see a clear business plan, to stem the losses, I'll continue asking questions about how and why the club is financed Like most on here I do care about the finances of our club, it’s not only you who cares, but realise there is little any of us can do about it. We go to matches, support the club and hope we do well. I’ve said all along that I would like to see better communication about what their vision is for the club but have now realised I will not see a “clear business plan” outlined. They have talked about things in a ad hoc way and I now realise they keep things very close to their chests and do not publicise what’s going to happen. That is their way of doing things I think. I’m not worried by this as it appears to be their preferred way of working. Their actions, 5 year contract for our manager, supporting him in the transfer market which they have done (I know others may disagree), improved support staff across the club, the improvement to the pitch, small things around the stadium, appointment of key staff, Tom Gorringe, Tommy Widdrington to key positions (which most on here have said were needed) and the development squad all show a commitment to the club and speak louder than words anyway. I care deeply about this club and all parts of it but I am less worried by these owners than I have been about others. I wish they’d communicate better but I accept that they have a way of doing it. UTG! Why worry about other owners, presumably NG & Co? They are the past and nothing to do with the club now. The Al qadis running the club better than NH is irrelevant it's whether they are running our club better than are competitors
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 10:45:38 GMT
The recent history of football clubs shows that in the main fans don't care, or care enough to ask questions, about the finances of the club they support until it's too late and that club has gone into administration. No suggestion there that we are going into administration but as I can't see a clear business plan, to stem the losses, I'll continue asking questions about how and why the club is financed And long may that continue. But no reason to demean other fans who hold a different view who can see a plan. It appears that we are building a decent scouting and youth set up which many see as a route to self sufficiency.Is that possible in this day and age? I'd imagine that Crewe are probably one of the most successful clubs in the country regarding bringing up young players and then flogging them on. Where are Crewe now? Look at the kid who recently left Exeter for Chelsea. Apparently he has the potential to be a World Class talent, yet I don't think Exeter will make 2m from the deal, and that is for a one-off wonderkid ! Don't get me wrong, bring up young players is a great thing to do, but I don't think it will make us 'self sufficient'.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 9, 2018 10:51:51 GMT
And long may that continue. But no reason to demean other fans who hold a different view who can see a plan. It appears that we are building a decent scouting and youth set up which many see as a route to self sufficiency. Which is all well and good but the bricks and mortars improvements are still not materialising. And without that is there any real road to self sufficiency? The stadium I accept requires feasibility and funding but the training ground they are sat on the land with suitable planning permission to develop the pitches and infrastructure. So what is the hold up? Appreciate that's a question you can't answer but it is a relevant question You now full well the previous planning permission for a rugby club facilities were not suitable for a football training ground, SH said at the last AGM (were you there demanding answers to your questions?) that plans would be submitted around now, as things stand there's no real hold up, clearly if there's still no signs of plans being submitted by mid June then questions needs to be asked, the fact we're spending another small fortune on the pitch this summe and also employing a CEO & HoR hopefully means the development training ground will follow this summer. As far as the reference to Walsall made by other posters it seems there fans are far from happy with their own owners actions: www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/walsall-fc/2018/02/02/talks-between-jeff-bonser-and-walsall-fans-revealed-read-transcript-from-meeting/
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Post by nsgas on May 9, 2018 10:52:38 GMT
it seems to mainly be due to having a very small wage bill. The question is then, how do they achieve that and stay up? And the answer is 'by two points.' I think it's pretty much the universally most hated thing in all football, watching a poor team that makes a profit. They finished third in League 1 in 2015-2016. It's twenty-eight years since we finished as high as that.
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Post by Marshy on May 9, 2018 10:54:07 GMT
And long may that continue. But no reason to demean other fans who hold a different view who can see a plan. It appears that we are building a decent scouting and youth set up which many see as a route to self sufficiency.Is that possible in this day and age? I'd imagine that Crewe are probably one of the most successful clubs in the country regarding bringing up young players and then flogging them on. Where are Crewe now? Look at the kid who recently left Exeter for Chelsea. Apparently he has the potential to be a World Class talent, yet I don't think Exeter will make 2m from the deal, and that is for a one-off wonderkid ! Don't get me wrong, bring up young players is a great thing to do, but I don't think it will make us 'self sufficient'. We already have our own wonderkid at the club, Tom Nichols. That’s because were all wondering when he's going to score next?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 10:59:20 GMT
Is that possible in this day and age? I'd imagine that Crewe are probably one of the most successful clubs in the country regarding bringing up young players and then flogging them on. Where are Crewe now? Look at the kid who recently left Exeter for Chelsea. Apparently he has the potential to be a World Class talent, yet I don't think Exeter will make 2m from the deal, and that is for a one-off wonderkid ! Don't get me wrong, bring up young players is a great thing to do, but I don't think it will make us 'self sufficient'. We already have our own wonderkid at the club, Tom Nichols. That’s because were all wondering when he's going to score next? No need to bring Baggins sex life into this.
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Post by Marshy on May 9, 2018 11:12:31 GMT
We already have our own wonderkid at the club, Tom Nichols. That’s because were all wondering when he's going to score next? No need to bring Baggins sex life into this. Has he got one? Apart from inflatable Ingrid of course.
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 9, 2018 11:54:54 GMT
Which is all well and good but the bricks and mortars improvements are still not materialising. And without that is there any real road to self sufficiency? The stadium I accept requires feasibility and funding but the training ground they are sat on the land with suitable planning permission to develop the pitches and infrastructure. So what is the hold up? Appreciate that's a question you can't answer but it is a relevant question You now full well the previous planning permission for a rugby club facilities were not suitable for a football training ground, SH said at the last AGM (were you there demanding answers to your questions?) that plans would be submitted around now, as things stand there's no real hold up, clearly if there's still no signs of plans being submitted by mid June then questions needs to be asked, the fact we're spending another small fortune on the pitch this summe and also employing a CEO & HoR hopefully means the development training ground will follow this summer. As far as the reference to Walsall made by other posters it seems there fans are far from happy with their own owners actions: www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/walsall-fc/2018/02/02/talks-between-jeff-bonser-and-walsall-fans-revealed-read-transcript-from-meeting/ Not a shareholder to ask questions at the AGM, as people continually state Bristol Rovers is Dwane Sports that actually there are other shareholders. The club may want to develop the buildings differently to the current planning permission but I'm sure that planing permission allows them to go ahead with the pitches that always require a significant amount of time to settle before using them. And not forgetting it has already been used for football. They may also need to remove a planning condition if they want to pay for us to go there. But still how long have Dwane Sports owned the land and they are still to submit a planning application. Makes you wonder how long it may take them on a contentious site like the Mem. I wonder sometimes if we might all die holding our breathe waiting for news on either site.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 9, 2018 12:03:54 GMT
You now full well the previous planning permission for a rugby club facilities were not suitable for a football training ground, SH said at the last AGM (were you there demanding answers to your questions?) that plans would be submitted around now, as things stand there's no real hold up, clearly if there's still no signs of plans being submitted by mid June then questions needs to be asked, the fact we're spending another small fortune on the pitch this summe and also employing a CEO & HoR hopefully means the development training ground will follow this summer. As far as the reference to Walsall made by other posters it seems there fans are far from happy with their own owners actions: www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/walsall-fc/2018/02/02/talks-between-jeff-bonser-and-walsall-fans-revealed-read-transcript-from-meeting/ Not a shareholder to ask questions at the AGM, as people continually state Bristol Rovers is Dwane Sports that actually there are other shareholders. The club may want to develop the buildings differently to the current planning permission but I'm sure that planing permission allows them to go ahead with the pitches that always require a significant amount of time to settle before using them. And not forgetting it has already been used for football. They may also need to remove a planning condition if they want to pay for us to go there. But still how long have Dwane Sports owned the land and they are still to submit a planning application. Makes you wonder how long it may take them on a contentious site like the Mem. I wonder sometimes if we might all die holding our breathe waiting for news on either site. This is where you and I do agree. I can't understand what is taking so long with the Colony. We do have a deadline of sorts that was offered at the AGM so it's going to be an interesting few weeks.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 12:10:28 GMT
Like countygroundhotel I also think it's a good thing to see the new appointments made at various levels, but there is that nagging question that needs to be answered. We are increasing our costs/overheads etc, yet there hasn't been anything released that details how we are going to pay for it all? Where will the increased revenue streams come from? The Colony will not make any money. A training ground is just a cost. OK, you could make the training/weights/exercise room open to the public to help pay it's way, but the bottom line is that it will not make a profit. Costs are going up, debts are going up......how long can that continue?
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Post by CheshireGas on May 9, 2018 12:11:50 GMT
The recent history of football clubs shows that in the main fans don't care, or care enough to ask questions, about the finances of the club they support until it's too late and that club has gone into administration. No suggestion there that we are going into administration but as I can't see a clear business plan, to stem the losses, I'll continue asking questions about how and why the club is financed County It's perfectly acceptable to ask questions but with no guarantee of answers it which will leave you even more frustrated. Any answers by other fans will be pure conjecture as with the BoD running a tighter ship than previous regimes there are no longer those who are in the know. If you have questions why don't you contact the owners direct? others seem to have got responses of sorts.... Simply because you can't see a business plan doesn't mean that there isn't one.... Regards
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Post by CheshireGas on May 9, 2018 12:47:46 GMT
They've made a profit for twelve consecutive years - if every year of profit was down selling players then we should be showing a very close interest in how they achieve it. it seems to mainly be due to having a very small wage bill. The question is then, how do they achieve that and stay up? The 2017 figures for Walsall show wages of £3.1m. Match receipts £1m and other football and commercial receipts £5.5m They have increasing financial liabilities of £4.2m against a stadium asset of £5.2m so debt to value of 81%. Their loan interest is small at only £51k so money is being borrowed at very low margins of 1.2%.
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Post by stigofthegas on May 9, 2018 12:58:05 GMT
This, without doubt, is the worst thing about this forum. Pretending you are the only one that cares as you peddle drama-queen nonsense. It is insulting and pathetic. Please stop it, grow up and learn to debate like an adult. Many of us have concerns. Very few would stoop so low as to post like this. The recent history of football clubs shows that in the main fans don't care, or care enough to ask questions, about the finances of the club they support until it's too late and that club has gone into administration. No suggestion there that we are going into administration but as I can't see a clear business plan, to stem the losses, I'll continue asking questions about how and why the club is financed That is a perfectly sensible argument which I get and respect. We want to know but I don’t think we have a right to know anything though.
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