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Post by stuart1974 on May 10, 2018 21:57:57 GMT
Looks like I’m barking up the wrong tree. I need to branch out. I’ll get my coat. Did we sign him from Forest?
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Post by gaelgas on May 11, 2018 12:42:44 GMT
Another championship club appointing yet another manager who gets chance after chance and keeps failing. What are QPR expecting by appointing McLaren? Getting to the brink of promotion and bottling it at the end and interviews done in a dodgy Cockney accent I should think.
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Post by Cosmic Pasty on May 11, 2018 13:55:47 GMT
Ollie certainly hasn't had it easy lately, what with this coming just after his mother died. He's had his fair share of difficult times in the past though - watching his wife go through cancer, discovering his daughters' deafness etc - and has always dusted himself down, got on with it and come through on top. I hope life's a bit kinder to him for the foreseeable so that he gets chance to draw breath and put himself back together again. Good luck, Ollie.
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Post by lpgas on May 11, 2018 15:18:18 GMT
Definitely produced the most exciting Rovers team to watch that I've seen. Ollie was a great manager for us who was let down IMO by the board at the time. Also a top, top bloke who would go out of his way to help anyone. However, it rarely works when a manager goes back and we do seem to do better with young upcoming managers (as he was of course back in 1996). So reluctantly, it would be a no from me. That said, the man is Gas through and through and should ALWAYS be considered a Rovers legend for what he did for us as a player and manager. I wish him all the best wherever he goes. He left us with what was then an unprecedented amount of debt also if he had stayed any longer he would have taken us down, as Thompson did
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 18:27:01 GMT
Definitely produced the most exciting Rovers team to watch that I've seen. Ollie was a great manager for us who was let down IMO by the board at the time. Also a top, top bloke who would go out of his way to help anyone. However, it rarely works when a manager goes back and we do seem to do better with young upcoming managers (as he was of course back in 1996). So reluctantly, it would be a no from me. That said, the man is Gas through and through and should ALWAYS be considered a Rovers legend for what he did for us as a player and manager. I wish him all the best wherever he goes. He left us with what was then an unprecedented amount of debt also if he had stayed any longer he would have taken us down, as Thompson did Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Pure speculation either way. I would suggest though that any team who lost the likes of Beadle, Cureton, Roberts and Hayles (all of whom he signed and sold for profit) so close together would be bound to suffer as a result. And maybe had he been supported with experienced signings when Mauge got injured, rather than a couple of kids, we may have gone up the year before. But that too is pure speculation. He did since prove his qualities by taking unfancied clubs to the top flight. It's been an up and down career for sure, but he does have ability as a manager and usually produces attractive sides.
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Post by lpgas on May 12, 2018 18:14:49 GMT
He left us with what was then an unprecedented amount of debt also if he had stayed any longer he would have taken us down, as Thompson did Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Pure speculation either way. I would suggest though that any team who lost the likes of Beadle, Cureton, Roberts and Hayles (all of whom he signed and sold for profit) so close together would be bound to suffer as a result. And maybe had he been supported with experienced signings when Mauge got injured, rather than a couple of kids, we may have gone up the year before. But that too is pure speculation. He did since prove his qualities by taking unfancied clubs to the top flight. It's been an up and down career for sure, but he does have ability as a manager and usually produces attractive sides. It was Holloways choice to get the kids in. Tilson who was then club captain went to Holloway and said "the lads want an experienced midfielder". Holloway replied "if I do that then I will have to pay higher wages, and then you lot will be banging my door asking for a pay rise." The rest is history. Another scenario. Zamora started to appear in the first team and he went to Holloway and asked for a pay rise. He wanted £120 per week Holloway went mad, and promptly sold him. Meanwhile he sells our best strike, winner of golden boot for 2 years for a 100k. He had a row with Cureton and couldn't wait to get rid of him. Dunford wanted to keep him or at least get a higher fee, but Holloway threatened to walk out. So Cureton left. He then signed a load of dross. How do I know this ? Very good friends with 2 people I have mentioned. I have no time for him as a manager. He has "blue" blood in his veins, Green blood in his veins, blue blood, Tangerine blood, and so on. Plymuff hate him for walking out, and Blackpool had a good team before he went there.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 18:32:57 GMT
Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Pure speculation either way. I would suggest though that any team who lost the likes of Beadle, Cureton, Roberts and Hayles (all of whom he signed and sold for profit) so close together would be bound to suffer as a result. And maybe had he been supported with experienced signings when Mauge got injured, rather than a couple of kids, we may have gone up the year before. But that too is pure speculation. He did since prove his qualities by taking unfancied clubs to the top flight. It's been an up and down career for sure, but he does have ability as a manager and usually produces attractive sides. It was Holloways choice to get the kids in. Tilson who was then club captain went to Holloway and said "the lads want an experienced midfielder". Holloway replied "if I do that then I will have to pay higher wages, and then you lot will be banging my door asking for a pay rise." The rest is history. Another scenario. Zamora started to appear in the first team and he went to Holloway and asked for a pay rise. He wanted £120 per week Holloway went mad, and promptly sold him. Meanwhile he sells our best strike, winner of golden boot for 2 years for a 100k. He had a row with Cureton and couldn't wait to get rid of him. Dunford wanted to keep him or at least get a higher fee, but Holloway threatened to walk out. So Cureton left. He then signed a load of dross. How do I know this ? Very good friends with 2 people I have mentioned. I have no time for him as a manager. He has "blue" blood in his veins, Green blood in his veins, blue blood, Tangerine blood, and so on. Plymuff hate him for walking out, and Blackpool had a good team before he went there. I have no idea whether any of the above about his spell with Rovers is true or not, but it does show that there are two sides to the same coin. The truth is probably somewhere between the two. For what it's worth, I know him well enough to know that he genuinely is a Gashead, but of course he has to "bleed green etc" at other clubs. That's the nature of the game and is no different to a player scoring against his boyhood team. Jamie Carragher was as red as any Liverpool player on the pitch, but grew up an Everton fan. I'm not suggesting I'd want Ollie back here. I think his time as a manager has probably gone, and anyway, never go back. But I do maintain that his record stands up. Of course Plymouth fans were angry when he left, but that doesn't take away the fact that he managed them in a comfortable position in the Championship, somewhere they've been nowhere near since. And to say that Blackpool were good before he got there totally ignores that fact that he took them into the Premier League! Blackpool! And then did the same at Palace. I suspect that he started to burn out as a manager whilst at Palace and he may well be finished as a boss at professional level. But he should still be remembered fondly as a legendary Rovers player and a good Rovers manager.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 19:50:16 GMT
Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Pure speculation either way. I would suggest though that any team who lost the likes of Beadle, Cureton, Roberts and Hayles (all of whom he signed and sold for profit) so close together would be bound to suffer as a result. And maybe had he been supported with experienced signings when Mauge got injured, rather than a couple of kids, we may have gone up the year before. But that too is pure speculation. He did since prove his qualities by taking unfancied clubs to the top flight. It's been an up and down career for sure, but he does have ability as a manager and usually produces attractive sides. It was Holloways choice to get the kids in. Tilson who was then club captain went to Holloway and said "the lads want an experienced midfielder". Holloway replied "if I do that then I will have to pay higher wages, and then you lot will be banging my door asking for a pay rise." The rest is history. Another scenario. Zamora started to appear in the first team and he went to Holloway and asked for a pay rise. He wanted £120 per week Holloway went mad, and promptly sold him. Meanwhile he sells our best strike, winner of golden boot for 2 years for a 100k. He had a row with Cureton and couldn't wait to get rid of him. Dunford wanted to keep him or at least get a higher fee, but Holloway threatened to walk out. So Cureton left. He then signed a load of dross. How do I know this ? Very good friends with 2 people I have mentioned. I have no time for him as a manager. He has "blue" blood in his veins, Green blood in his veins, blue blood, Tangerine blood, and so on. Plymuff hate him for walking out, and Blackpool had a good team before he went there. I wonder what dc would say to a player telling him to sign a certain type of player? Same as holloway and any manager worth his salt i would imagine.
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Post by midlandgas213 on May 13, 2018 17:25:32 GMT
for goodness sake let's get only back down the mem asap before someone else captures him
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Post by Topper Gas on May 13, 2018 18:30:09 GMT
Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Pure speculation either way. I would suggest though that any team who lost the likes of Beadle, Cureton, Roberts and Hayles (all of whom he signed and sold for profit) so close together would be bound to suffer as a result. And maybe had he been supported with experienced signings when Mauge got injured, rather than a couple of kids, we may have gone up the year before. But that too is pure speculation. He did since prove his qualities by taking unfancied clubs to the top flight. It's been an up and down career for sure, but he does have ability as a manager and usually produces attractive sides. It was Holloways choice to get the kids in. Tilson who was then club captain went to Holloway and said "the lads want an experienced midfielder". Holloway replied "if I do that then I will have to pay higher wages, and then you lot will be banging my door asking for a pay rise." The rest is history. Another scenario. Zamora started to appear in the first team and he went to Holloway and asked for a pay rise. He wanted £120 per week Holloway went mad, and promptly sold him. Meanwhile he sells our best strike, winner of golden boot for 2 years for a 100k. He had a row with Cureton and couldn't wait to get rid of him. Dunford wanted to keep him or at least get a higher fee, but Holloway threatened to walk out. So Cureton left. He then signed a load of dross. How do I know this ? Very good friends with 2 people I have mentioned. I have no time for him as a manager. He has "blue" blood in his veins, Green blood in his veins, blue blood, Tangerine blood, and so on. Plymuff hate him for walking out, and Blackpool had a good team before he went there. The row with Cureton you've been told about sounds a bit different than the story doing the rounds when he departed, it sounds like someone as told you a story which suits them. Plus you've failed to mention Roberts and Cureton both virtually going on strike when we were almost promoted as Roberts agent, the late Cyrille Regis, has set up a summer transfer for him to WBA.
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Post by pirate on May 13, 2018 23:39:48 GMT
Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Pure speculation either way. I would suggest though that any team who lost the likes of Beadle, Cureton, Roberts and Hayles (all of whom he signed and sold for profit) so close together would be bound to suffer as a result. And maybe had he been supported with experienced signings when Mauge got injured, rather than a couple of kids, we may have gone up the year before. But that too is pure speculation. He did since prove his qualities by taking unfancied clubs to the top flight. It's been an up and down career for sure, but he does have ability as a manager and usually produces attractive sides. It was Holloways choice to get the kids in. Tilson who was then club captain went to Holloway and said "the lads want an experienced midfielder". Holloway replied "if I do that then I will have to pay higher wages, and then you lot will be banging my door asking for a pay rise." The rest is history. Another scenario. Zamora started to appear in the first team and he went to Holloway and asked for a pay rise. He wanted £120 per week Holloway went mad, and promptly sold him. Meanwhile he sells our best strike, winner of golden boot for 2 years for a 100k. He had a row with Cureton and couldn't wait to get rid of him. Dunford wanted to keep him or at least get a higher fee, but Holloway threatened to walk out. So Cureton left. He then signed a load of dross. How do I know this ? Very good friends with 2 people I have mentioned. I have no time for him as a manager. He has "blue" blood in his veins, Green blood in his veins, blue blood, Tangerine blood, and so on. Plymuff hate him for walking out, and Blackpool had a good team before he went there. You're info is incorrect. Zamora wanted £800 per week and that was outside of our wage structure at the time. Ollie turned down bids from Brighton for him, but Zamora indicated he wanted to leave as he thought he would have a better chance of playing first team football sooner there. With him being out of contract the following summer a deal was done. The fee in total made us close to £1 million after the various add ons. Cureton was also sold for £250,000, the same fee we signed him for, not £100k. Also, Blackpool hardly had a "good team before he went there" as they finished 16th. He achieved promotion the following season, becoming only the second Blackpool manager in their history to win promotion in his first full season.
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