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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 11, 2018 21:45:17 GMT
Thank God for Rovers. No matter how sh** we get, no matter what nobs we sign, no matter how sh** our facilities are, no matter what sh** we have to go through, no matter how bad it gets, Rovers will never Lady Garden you over like England does.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 11, 2018 21:45:54 GMT
Did we just bottle that? Or just a failure to react to the changes Croatia made at half time.Anyway,the blood letting has well and truly began. Didnt have the creativity against a big strong passing side. Kane may as well have gone down the pub and had a few Medovuha's with the service he got.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 21:51:11 GMT
In the 1996 to 2006 era I always viewed QF's as a failure as we had a superb group of players who should have been reaching Sf's and finals, we seemed to fall short with a bit of bad luck here and there, an inability to cope with pens and in Sven a far too passive manager.
My expectations of this squad were lower. I never believed the rubbish some came out with that we'd struggle to get out the group etc but I thought we should consider a QF par or a success. Getting to a SF was a great over achievement while it lasted but having had a draw really open up for us it is still a massive disappointment and missed opportunity.
I don't see this as the beginning of a golden era. I don't think Southgate is a great Manager in the same way I don't rate Chris Coleman who also got to a SF. A lot of the positivity has built up from great public relations and getting the media onside. This doesn't win football matches - once on the pitch actions speak louder than any words. I think we really miss a midfielder who can control a game, dictate the pace and unlock defences. The closest we have is Wilshere but even if he starts well with West Ham I don't think he'll get another chance with Southgate.
We have to stick with Southgate and the bulk of this squad a bring through a few more like Sessegnon. Any new Gazza's or Scholes's out there?
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Post by pucklegas on Jul 11, 2018 21:53:53 GMT
We had the chances first half, never took them second half different story, overall a good World Cup, but missed the chance of winnng a second World Cup, it will never fall kinder for us, but we are going in the right direction.
Now come on Gas top six please 😂
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Post by midlandgas213 on Jul 11, 2018 21:54:15 GMT
It just showed tonight when we came up against a good team we were lacking overall the World Cup as been very below par and made us look good The problem is the same as we have at the mem with dc an inexperienced manager fighting above his weight and when it came to the crunch inexperience let us down The first half we were good but from the 46th minute on we were a second class team Saying that I think Southgate has the mentality and attitude to take us forwArd and that euro 2020 might be better for us
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jul 11, 2018 21:54:58 GMT
f**k it, I've banned him for a week. Enjoy the tennis. double like. Delete his account!
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jul 11, 2018 21:57:48 GMT
Success normally requires failures along the way. I am optimistic that we did at least contend and I think in a few years we will see an experienved and improved side under Southgate that can really give it a shot. You could see them soaking it all in at the end. It will only make them stronger I reckon. A smooth sea never made a skilled sailor.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jul 11, 2018 21:58:13 GMT
And let's be honest. You're glad. Said on the other thread i'm not that bothered about the national team. Glad its over and people can concentrate on the real football yes. That was real football. Players who have been at lower league clubs plying their trade and almost winning the ultimate prize. I literally couldn't give a f**k about Rovers right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 21:59:46 GMT
Ah, back to reality.
So whats been going on with the gas, anyone ITK?
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jul 11, 2018 22:00:46 GMT
Ah, back to reality. So whats been going on with the gas, anyone ITK? There's bad news ahead according to our inciders.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jul 11, 2018 22:08:33 GMT
I can't believe how negative and miserable everyone is being. We've exceeded expectations, however disappointing we were from HT onwards today. Agreed. We lack quality in midfield. That’s blatantly obvious. Given that, we definitely have overachieved. Today, we didn’t capitalise on our dominance in the first half and Croatia made us pay. They’re a good team and that’s football. I do think we were too open in the second half and that our players’ game management could have been better, but it is a pretty inexperienced team and manager and i’m not holding either fault too harshly against them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 22:10:43 GMT
Ah, back to reality. So whats been going on with the gas, anyone ITK? There's bad news ahead according to our inciders. Bad news? There would have to be good news in order to get that, surely. Otherwise it's just news around here!
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Post by LJG on Jul 11, 2018 22:55:23 GMT
Get a grip, gang. Fourth place in the World Cup- no shame in that. It's tournament football and there's no good time to exit.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 12, 2018 5:59:57 GMT
In the 1996 to 2006 era I always viewed QF's as a failure as we had a superb group of players who should have been reaching Sf's and finals, we seemed to fall short with a bit of bad luck here and there, an inability to cope with pens and in Sven a far too passive manager. My expectations of this squad were lower. I never believed the rubbish some came out with that we'd struggle to get out the group etc but I thought we should consider a QF par or a success. Getting to a SF was a great over achievement while it lasted but having had a draw really open up for us it is still a massive disappointment and missed opportunity. I don't see this as the beginning of a golden era. I don't think Southgate is a great Manager in the same way I don't rate Chris Coleman who also got to a SF. A lot of the positivity has built up from great public relations and getting the media onside. This doesn't win football matches - once on the pitch actions speak louder than any words. I think we really miss a midfielder who can control a game, dictate the pace and unlock defences. The closest we have is Wilshere but even if he starts well with West Ham I don't think he'll get another chance with Southgate. We have to stick with Southgate and the bulk of this squad a bring through a few more like Sessegnon. Any new Gazza's or Scholes's out there? I agree on the whole. He's done a great job in so many ways but I believe that is because he cares and wants it so much more than recent England managers we have had. He seems a good man manager and has made some tough calls, got the media and fans on side. Tactically I think he is a bit lacking as we didn't seem to have a plan B. He did change the way we were set up though and I liked that. First England team to overachieve in 28 years too? I think international management and club management are very different. Southgate definitely seems more suited to the former. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. That probably sums up this England team. We didn't lack in effort, desire, passion and team spirit. We did lack in a bit of quality though.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 12, 2018 6:04:56 GMT
In the 1996 to 2006 era I always viewed QF's as a failure as we had a superb group of players who should have been reaching Sf's and finals, we seemed to fall short with a bit of bad luck here and there, an inability to cope with pens and in Sven a far too passive manager. My expectations of this squad were lower. I never believed the rubbish some came out with that we'd struggle to get out the group etc but I thought we should consider a QF par or a success. Getting to a SF was a great over achievement while it lasted but having had a draw really open up for us it is still a massive disappointment and missed opportunity. I don't see this as the beginning of a golden era. I don't think Southgate is a great Manager in the same way I don't rate Chris Coleman who also got to a SF. A lot of the positivity has built up from great public relations and getting the media onside. This doesn't win football matches - once on the pitch actions speak louder than any words. I think we really miss a midfielder who can control a game, dictate the pace and unlock defences. The closest we have is Wilshere but even if he starts well with West Ham I don't think he'll get another chance with Southgate. We have to stick with Southgate and the bulk of this squad a bring through a few more like Sessegnon. Any new Gazza's or Scholes's out there? I agree on the whole. He's done a great job in so many ways but I believe that is because he cares and wants it so much more than recent England managers we have had. He seems a good man manager and has made some tough calls, got the media and fans on side. Tactically I think he is a bit lacking as we didn't seem to have a plan B. He did change the way we were set up though and I liked that. First England team to overachieve in 28 years too? I think international management and club management are very different. Southgate definitely seems more suited to the former. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. That probably sums up this England team. We didn't lack in effort, desire, passion and team spirit. We did lack in a bit of quality though. Yeah I think that's totally right. I'd say that only one or two players really failed to live up to their ability and we can't really ask for more than that. (And no, Sterling isn't on of the ones who failed)
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Post by gregsy on Jul 12, 2018 6:11:57 GMT
I was really hoping England would make it to the final because I had a gag all lined up:
"Raheem Stirling is gonna set the world cup alight today.... By mistaking the trophy for a massive spliff"
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 12, 2018 6:13:03 GMT
I agree on the whole. He's done a great job in so many ways but I believe that is because he cares and wants it so much more than recent England managers we have had. He seems a good man manager and has made some tough calls, got the media and fans on side. Tactically I think he is a bit lacking as we didn't seem to have a plan B. He did change the way we were set up though and I liked that. First England team to overachieve in 28 years too? I think international management and club management are very different. Southgate definitely seems more suited to the former. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. That probably sums up this England team. We didn't lack in effort, desire, passion and team spirit. We did lack in a bit of quality though. Yeah I think that's totally right. I'd say that only one or two players really failed to live up to their ability and we can't really ask for more than that. (And no, Sterling isn't on of the ones who failed) I think last night quite a few were massively tiring towards the end and subsequently disappointed. So typically English, that we bang on about Croatia will be tired after their last 2 matches going to extra time, and we end up talking about ourselves tiring! I love these people that wanted Rashford over Sterling. Is it just because he runs at players and excites them? Don't get me wrong, that can work at times but he looked like a bit of a headless chicken to me.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 12, 2018 6:13:54 GMT
I was really hoping England would make it to the final because I had a gag all lined up: "Raheem Stirling is gonna set the world cup alight today.... By mistaking the trophy for a massive spliff"Just as well we didn't, or else I'd have given you stick for getting his name wrong.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jul 12, 2018 7:42:42 GMT
Thank God for Rovers. No matter how sh** we get, no matter what nobs we sign, no matter how sh** our facilities are, no matter what sh** we have to go through, no matter how bad it gets, Rovers will never Lady Garden you over like England does. Agreed
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Post by pirate on Jul 12, 2018 8:41:25 GMT
I think we really miss a midfielder who can control a game, dictate the pace and unlock defences. The closest we have is Wilshere but even if he starts well with West Ham I don't think he'll get another chance with Southgate. We have to stick with Southgate and the bulk of this squad a bring through a few more like Sessegnon. Any new Gazza's or Scholes's out there? Yes, Phil Foden. Callum Hudson-Odoi and Jadon Sancho are outstanding players and will play for England in the near future.
Borussia Dortmund's Marco Reus: Jadon Sancho better than I was at 18 www.espn.co.uk/football/borussia-dortmund/story/3468740/borussia-dortmunds-marco-reus-jadon-sancho-is-better-than-me-at-18-years-old
Angus Gunn, Emile Smith-Rowe, Rhian Brewster, Lukas Nmecha, Bobby Duncan, Eddie Nketiah, Reo Griffiths, Keanan Bennetts, George McEachran, Marc Guehi, Trevoh Chalobah, Xavier Amaechi, Taylor Richards, Oliver Skipp, Tommy Doyle, Keke Simmonds and Fabio Carvalho are all very good prospects.
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