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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 12, 2018 9:03:32 GMT
Just a hypothetical question for those that would choose country over club; if the teds were in the Premier League and had a sprinkling of players in the England team, would you still feel the same way?
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Post by gascade on Jul 12, 2018 9:12:30 GMT
We already have a creative midfielder in Jack Grealish
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Post by pirate on Jul 12, 2018 9:31:53 GMT
We already have a creative midfielder in Jack Grealish It will be interesting to see where he ends up this summer with both Liverpool and Tottenham linked. I wouldn't be surprised if he receives an England call up before the end of the season. The best creative prospect that can play centrally in my opinion is Man City's Phil Foden. A U17 World Cup winner, named in that Team of the Tournament and won the U17 World Cup Golden Ball for his performances. He was the 2017 BBC Young Sports Personality of the Year and is the youngest ever player to receive a Premier League winner's medal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 9:41:10 GMT
And let's be honest. You're glad. Said on the other thread i'm not that bothered about the national team. Glad its over and people can concentrate on the real football yes. Roll on August 4th and the real football kicking off. Not a huge surprise that England came up short against the first half decent team we encountered. Talk of heroes and overachieving is nonsense given the fact we were gift wrapped a place in the semi final in what has to be the weakest World Cup in recent history. It's a massive missed opportunity at the end of the day. UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 9:52:06 GMT
The team and manager brought some respect back to English football and handled themselves very well and for that I'm grateful.
It's a good team but clearly still short of that bit of class needed to beat the better teams.
That said a golden chance was missed to progress to the finals but we were simply short of a couple of world class players that would have give us that creativity needed to succeed at this level.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2018 10:01:19 GMT
Just a hypothetical question for those that would choose country over club; if the teds were in the Premier League and had a sprinkling of players in the England team, would you still feel the same way? I wouldn't say I choose country over club but if Taylor had been playing up front last night I would still have been screaming at him to bury it in the net.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 10:16:27 GMT
Just a hypothetical question for those that would choose country over club; if the teds were in the Premier League and had a sprinkling of players in the England team, would you still feel the same way? I don't see why you cannot support club and country in equal measure but for what it's worth if England had City players in it my support would be no less. Anything else is surely petty and childish?
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Post by Jomo on Jul 12, 2018 10:16:50 GMT
The team and manager brought some respect back to English football and handled themselves very well and for that I'm grateful. It's a good team but clearly still short of that bit of class needed to beat the better teams. That said a golden chance was missed to progress to the finals but we were simply short of a couple of world class players that would have give us that creativity needed to succeed at this level. Great post, my thoughts exactly. For those saying England did exactly what we should have done in getting to the semi finals, it's really not that simple. You still have to beat what's in front of you, and there are no easy games in international tournament knockout football. Colombia and Sweden knocked out some good sides in their groups, and England clearly proved they were a better team than both of them, and cast aside their demons from Euro 2016 in the process. That is an achievement in itself, and shouldn't be dismissed easily. Of course last night was a massive missed opportunity and I am gutted about that, but the team still deserves credit for the way they conducted themselves throughout the tournament, and for giving the nation a reason to love them again. Euro 2016 was the lowest point for me, where they were truly pitiful against Iceland. They've brought respectability and pride back, for me at least.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 10:20:05 GMT
We already have a creative midfielder in Jack Grealish It will be interesting to see where he ends up this summer with both Liverpool and Tottenham linked. I wouldn't be surprised if he receives an England call up before the end of the season. The best creative prospect that can play centrally in my opinion is Man City's Phil Foden. A U17 World Cup winner, named in that Team of the Tournament and won the U17 World Cup Golden Ball for his performances. He was the 2017 BBC Young Sports Personality of the Year and is the youngest ever player to receive a Premier League winner's medal. Hopefully both get the chance to prove it with regular first team action in the prem, preferably in a club playing European football. I'm not sure either will get it though, especially Foden who I understand isn't being allowed out on loan and will just get scraps of action.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 10:22:29 GMT
The team and manager brought some respect back to English football and handled themselves very well and for that I'm grateful. It's a good team but clearly still short of that bit of class needed to beat the better teams. That said a golden chance was missed to progress to the finals but we were simply short of a couple of world class players that would have give us that creativity needed to succeed at this level. Great post, my thoughts exactly. For those saying England did exactly what we should have done in getting to the semi finals, it's really not that simple. You still have to beat what's in front of you, and there are no easy games in international tournament knockout football. Colombia and Sweden knocked out some good sides in their groups, and England clearly proved they were a better team than both of them, and cast aside their demons from Euro 2016 in the process. That is an achievement in itself, and shouldn't be dismissed easily. Of course last night was a massive missed opportunity and I am gutted about that, but the team still deserves credit for the way they conducted themselves throughout the tournament, and for giving the nation a reason to love them again. Euro 2016 was the lowest point for me, where they were truly pitiful against Iceland. They've brought respectability and pride back, for me at least. Poorly led by an out of touch, dour Hodgson in 2016. A decent manager would have got more from that tournament and not the embarrassing manner of exit.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 12, 2018 10:26:07 GMT
Great post, my thoughts exactly. For those saying England did exactly what we should have done in getting to the semi finals, it's really not that simple. You still have to beat what's in front of you, and there are no easy games in international tournament knockout football. Colombia and Sweden knocked out some good sides in their groups, and England clearly proved they were a better team than both of them, and cast aside their demons from Euro 2016 in the process. That is an achievement in itself, and shouldn't be dismissed easily. Of course last night was a massive missed opportunity and I am gutted about that, but the team still deserves credit for the way they conducted themselves throughout the tournament, and for giving the nation a reason to love them again. Euro 2016 was the lowest point for me, where they were truly pitiful against Iceland. They've brought respectability and pride back, for me at least. Poorly led by an out of touch, dour Hodgson in 2016. A decent manager would have got more from that tournament and not the embarrassing manner of exit. Agreed, Hodgson was primarily at fault in the Euros. Southgate has done a great job to reverse the negative feeling after that debacle.
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Post by pirate on Jul 12, 2018 10:38:17 GMT
It will be interesting to see where he ends up this summer with both Liverpool and Tottenham linked. I wouldn't be surprised if he receives an England call up before the end of the season. The best creative prospect that can play centrally in my opinion is Man City's Phil Foden. A U17 World Cup winner, named in that Team of the Tournament and won the U17 World Cup Golden Ball for his performances. He was the 2017 BBC Young Sports Personality of the Year and is the youngest ever player to receive a Premier League winner's medal. Hopefully both get the chance to prove it with regular first team action in the prem, preferably in a club playing European football. I'm not sure either will get it though, especially Foden who I understand isn't being allowed out on loan and will just get scraps of action. Guardiola rates Foden very highly and is set to offer a new five year contract. I don't think it will do him any harm staying at Man City for another season and continuing to develop under Guardiola and with the quality Citeh players there. He made five appearances for them in the Premier League last season, recording one assist, and featured three times in the Champions League. I can see him playing even more next season.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 12, 2018 10:53:08 GMT
Hopefully both get the chance to prove it with regular first team action in the prem, preferably in a club playing European football. I'm not sure either will get it though, especially Foden who I understand isn't being allowed out on loan and will just get scraps of action. Guardiola rates Foden very highly and is set to offer a new five year contract. I don't think it will do him any harm staying at Man City for another season and continuing to develop under Guardiola and with the quality Citeh players there. He made five appearances for them in the Premier League last season, recording one assist, and featured three times in the Champions League. I can see him playing even more next season. Good point about learning under Guardiola and City. Be interesting to see how much someone like Loftus-Cheek would develop at Man City rather than being loan out by Chelsea.
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Post by inee on Jul 12, 2018 11:00:34 GMT
For a refreshing change we had a good run ,croatia wanted it more ,on to the next set of challenges ,good manager ,good players ,good 12th man . Shows the talent is there just need a bit of polish around the edges
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 11:11:56 GMT
The team and manager brought some respect back to English football and handled themselves very well and for that I'm grateful. It's a good team but clearly still short of that bit of class needed to beat the better teams. That said a golden chance was missed to progress to the finals but we were simply short of a couple of world class players that would have give us that creativity needed to succeed at this level. Great post, my thoughts exactly. For those saying England did exactly what we should have done in getting to the semi finals, it's really not that simple. You still have to beat what's in front of you, and there are no easy games in international tournament knockout football. Colombia and Sweden knocked out some good sides in their groups, and England clearly proved they were a better team than both of them, and cast aside their demons from Euro 2016 in the process. That is an achievement in itself, and shouldn't be dismissed easily. Of course last night was a massive missed opportunity and I am gutted about that, but the team still deserves credit for the way they conducted themselves throughout the tournament, and for giving the nation a reason to love them again. Euro 2016 was the lowest point for me, where they were truly pitiful against Iceland. They've brought respectability and pride back, for me at least. It's not simple granted, but equally it's not basis to proclaim them as heroes or a team that has overachieved. The reality is they haven't. However it's good to see the nation get behind the team and the support in the stadium appeared to be fantastic last night.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 12, 2018 11:17:21 GMT
Great post, my thoughts exactly. For those saying England did exactly what we should have done in getting to the semi finals, it's really not that simple. You still have to beat what's in front of you, and there are no easy games in international tournament knockout football. Colombia and Sweden knocked out some good sides in their groups, and England clearly proved they were a better team than both of them, and cast aside their demons from Euro 2016 in the process. That is an achievement in itself, and shouldn't be dismissed easily. Of course last night was a massive missed opportunity and I am gutted about that, but the team still deserves credit for the way they conducted themselves throughout the tournament, and for giving the nation a reason to love them again. Euro 2016 was the lowest point for me, where they were truly pitiful against Iceland. They've brought respectability and pride back, for me at least. It's not simple granted, but equally it's not basis to proclaim them as heroes or a team that has overachieved. The reality is they haven't. However it's good to see the nation get behind the team and the support in the stadium appeared to be fantastic last night. I agree with you in that I think the term "heroes" if it is being used, is OTT. Personally I'm not sure any sports personalities can be described as heroes for performing well in their chosen sport, but that's my opinion. Nevertheless, I still think Southgate and the team deserve credit for showing us that they in fact CAN play football in a major tournament, and their skills of passing, and moreover showing passion, professionalism and togetherness that I've not seen from an England team in many years, is something I will give them great credit for.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 12, 2018 11:27:10 GMT
Just a hypothetical question for those that would choose country over club; if the teds were in the Premier League and had a sprinkling of players in the England team, would you still feel the same way? I wouldn't say I choose country over club but if Taylor had been playing up front last night I would still have been screaming at him to bury it in the net. I don't think I could bring myself to support any City players in any capacity, not sure how Arsenal fans manage with so many Spurs in there.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 12, 2018 11:30:51 GMT
It's not simple granted, but equally it's not basis to proclaim them as heroes or a team that has overachieved. The reality is they haven't. However it's good to see the nation get behind the team and the support in the stadium appeared to be fantastic last night. I agree with you in that I think the term "heroes" if it is being used, is OTT. Personally I'm not sure any sports personalities can be described as heroes for performing well in their chosen sport, but that's my opinion. Nevertheless, I still think Southgate and the team deserve credit for showing us that they in fact CAN play football in a major tournament, and their skills of passing, and moreover showing passion, professionalism and togetherness that I've not seen from an England team in many years, is something I will give them great credit for. I don't think their passing was anything to write home about. They scored goals from set pieces/penalties, but from open play offered very little threat.
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Post by pirate on Jul 12, 2018 11:39:40 GMT
I think Jordan Pickford's performances have been a big plus in this tournament, but an even bigger positive is Angus Gunn's move to Southampton. He has the potential to be better than Pickford, without doubt in my mind. Mark my words, Gunn will be a future England number 1.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 13:14:07 GMT
For a refreshing change we had a good run ,croatia wanted it more ,on to the next set of challenges ,good manager ,good players ,good 12th man . Shows the talent is there just need a bit of polish around the edges Do you really think Croatia 'wanted it more'? It's often a label applied to a winning team but surely it was more about their better quality and experience than desire?
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