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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 12, 2018 7:19:48 GMT
Trippier for me, closely followed by Maguire.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Jul 12, 2018 7:41:37 GMT
Agreed trippier by a long way
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 8:38:14 GMT
Pickford
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Post by Jomo on Jul 12, 2018 9:09:31 GMT
Difficult call between Trippier, Pickford and Maguire for me. I would say Trippier just shades it. For me he was our best attacking outlet throughout the tournament. All three of these players showed the old three lions spirit in abundance though, and should be extremely proud of what they've done.
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Post by Gassy on Jul 12, 2018 9:14:43 GMT
Trippier
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Maguire
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Post by z1zou on Jul 12, 2018 9:41:56 GMT
Trippier has undoubtedly had a great tournament, deserves his goal v Croatia.
But for me, maguire was more of a surprise and therefore gets my vote, an absolute brute of a CB that can bring the ball out from the back. Thought he was outstanding and will surely be getting interest from bigger clubs before the deadline
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Post by cj on Jul 12, 2018 11:57:21 GMT
Trippier as mentioned had a great tournament. But Sterling for me. With all the crap the press keeps putting in him, without him on the pitch, we wouldn't have got as far as the semi's. Proved last last night when he went off. Game changed massively in Croatia's favour when he went off. Shows how important that he has been for us.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 12, 2018 12:06:51 GMT
Trippier as mentioned had a great tournament. But Sterling for me. With all the crap the press keeps putting in him, without him on the pitch, we wouldn't have got as far as the semi's. Proved last last night when he went off. Game changed massively in Croatia's favour when he went off. Shows how important that he has been for us. Massive fan of Sterling but he wasn't our best player. I think the game changed before he went off. I think from HT we disappointed. Rashford was very disappointing as a replacement. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 12, 2018 12:13:54 GMT
Loftus-Cheek should have come on for Alli on about 60 mins
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Post by cj on Jul 12, 2018 12:29:03 GMT
Trippier as mentioned had a great tournament. But Sterling for me. With all the crap the press keeps putting in him, without him on the pitch, we wouldn't have got as far as the semi's. Proved last last night when he went off. Game changed massively in Croatia's favour when he went off. Shows how important that he has been for us. Massive fan of Sterling but he wasn't our best player. I think the game changed before he went off. I think from HT we disappointed. Rashford was very disappointing as a replacement. Fair enough. But there are a couple who performed well. I think Sterling did a lot that has gone unnoticed. As you are a fan of his, you probably agree that a lot of his game goes unnoticed.
Kane was disappointing too. He has been poor for me since/during the Colombia game. But with Rashford, Welbeck and Vardy, Only really Vardy is a proper striker like Kane as the other 2 likes coming in from wide. Vardy doesnt have the quality like Kane does with hold up play. Totally different types of players of course. So without Kane, we were always going to struggle and Sterling offered that threat with his pace and soon as he went off last night, that just encouraged Croatia to push forward more without the worry of pace getting behind their defence. I think Kane was carrying an injury for the last couple of games. No where near his best. And if thats true then kind of proves the point that an injured Kane not at his best is still our best striking option.
I think there are a lot of positives from this WC and hopefully Southgate can see up front options need looking at.
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Post by cj on Jul 12, 2018 12:31:18 GMT
Loftus-Cheek should have come on for Alli on about 60 mins Personally I dont think Alli has had a good season. Also his performances have not been up to standard at the WC. Loftus-Cheek performed well when used and I would have actually started him over Alli last night. |
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Post by pirate on Jul 12, 2018 12:50:48 GMT
Loftus-Cheek should have come on for Alli on about 60 mins Personally I dont think Alli has had a good season. Also his performances have not been up to standard at the WC. Loftus-Cheek performed well when used and I would have actually started him over Alli last night. Alli has scored 14 goals and created 17 assists for Tottenham in all competitions during 17/18. |
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Post by cj on Jul 12, 2018 13:12:39 GMT
Personally I dont think Alli has had a good season. Also his performances have not been up to standard at the WC. Loftus-Cheek performed well when used and I would have actually started him over Alli last night. Alli has scored 14 goals and created 17 assists for Tottenham in all competitions during 17/18. That looks good. I am a big fan of Alli by the way. He has achieved great things in his short career to date. Good model for lower league players to follow in his example.
However, although your stats look good, he has scored in just 8 league games out of 36 league games. For a player of his ability and who plays for a club like spurs with the talent they have and who plays in a position just behind Kane, scoring in 8 game out of 36 is not that great. I am sure everyone can come up with stats on paper to prove their point. But I was talking more about his performances. I try and watch all games on TV (to get money money worth from the tv package I have). Seems like I watch Leeds more than Rovers due to Leeds being on TV all the time! I have seen Spurs play a lot and 2 seasons ago, his performances were at a very high level, regardless of his stats for goals/assists. Last season, his performances were well below par. He often looked like a player really low on confidence. It was mentioned a fair few times by pundits too during the season and during the WC too. Yes he scored against Sweden which pretty much then won us that game. But apart from that header which the keeper should have done better with, I cant remember a single good thing that he did well. Even with that, we still got to the semi's. I just have the personal opinion of thinking Loftus-Cheek would have been the better option. Maybe Southgate agrees with that but Loftus-Cheek was not fit to take part! Who knows! |
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Post by pirate on Jul 12, 2018 13:56:49 GMT
Alli has scored 14 goals and created 17 assists for Tottenham in all competitions during 17/18. That looks good. I am a big fan of Alli by the way. He has achieved great things in his short career to date. Good model for lower league players to follow in his example.
However, although your stats look good, he has scored in just 8 league games out of 36 league games. For a player of his ability and who plays for a club like spurs with the talent they have and who plays in a position just behind Kane, scoring in 8 game out of 36 is not that great. I am sure everyone can come up with stats on paper to prove their point. But I was talking more about his performances. I try and watch all games on TV (to get money money worth from the tv package I have). Seems like I watch Leeds more than Rovers due to Leeds being on TV all the time! I have seen Spurs play a lot and 2 seasons ago, his performances were at a very high level, regardless of his stats for goals/assists. Last season, his performances were well below par. He often looked like a player really low on confidence. It was mentioned a fair few times by pundits too during the season and during the WC too. Yes he scored against Sweden which pretty much then won us that game. But apart from that header which the keeper should have done better with, I cant remember a single good thing that he did well. Even with that, we still got to the semi's. I just have the personal opinion of thinking Loftus-Cheek would have been the better option. Maybe Southgate agrees with that but Loftus-Cheek was not fit to take part! Who knows! Scoring in 8 games out of 36 in the Premier League isn't a bad record, it's the same amount as Kevin De Bruyne managed. Did he have as good a season as he managed during 16/17, I don't think he did, but he certainly didn't have a bad season. |
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Post by cj on Jul 12, 2018 14:24:27 GMT
That looks good. I am a big fan of Alli by the way. He has achieved great things in his short career to date. Good model for lower league players to follow in his example.
However, although your stats look good, he has scored in just 8 league games out of 36 league games. For a player of his ability and who plays for a club like spurs with the talent they have and who plays in a position just behind Kane, scoring in 8 game out of 36 is not that great. I am sure everyone can come up with stats on paper to prove their point. But I was talking more about his performances. I try and watch all games on TV (to get money money worth from the tv package I have). Seems like I watch Leeds more than Rovers due to Leeds being on TV all the time! I have seen Spurs play a lot and 2 seasons ago, his performances were at a very high level, regardless of his stats for goals/assists. Last season, his performances were well below par. He often looked like a player really low on confidence. It was mentioned a fair few times by pundits too during the season and during the WC too. Yes he scored against Sweden which pretty much then won us that game. But apart from that header which the keeper should have done better with, I cant remember a single good thing that he did well. Even with that, we still got to the semi's. I just have the personal opinion of thinking Loftus-Cheek would have been the better option. Maybe Southgate agrees with that but Loftus-Cheek was not fit to take part! Who knows! Scoring in 8 games out of 36 in the Premier League isn't a bad record, it's the same amount as Kevin De Bruyne managed. Did he have as good a season as he managed during 16/17, I don't think he did, but he certainly didn't have a bad season. Yes you are right about KDB. Very similar goal stats I believe. However, he plays out wide or very deep as a play maker. Totally different positions. And would explain KDB lack of goals. If he was in a more advance position, say in Alli's position, I believe he would have a far greater record. Just an opinion though.
But take goal/assists out of the equation. I am purely talking about Alli's performances. Alli was 'missing' in far too many games last season and at the WC for me. As explained in my previous post for reasons why I believe this to be my opinion. I respect you enough not to bore you repeating it again! If you want to compare 'performances' with Alli and KDB then there is no comparison. KDB had a brilliant season. Alli was nowhere near his level. KDB was heavily involved with pretty much every attack. It was very rare for him to be 'missing' in games. That's why he was right up their in the running to win player of the season.
I have not said Alli has had a bad season. The goals/assists stats from you saved him from a 'bad' season. But his performances which is what I based my original post on Alli about was he hasn't had a great season. Below par for his ability. Lacking in confidence type of performances or playing like he has something heavy on his mind.
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Post by c4h10 on Jul 12, 2018 15:32:18 GMT
Loftus-Cheek should have come on for Alli on about 60 mins Personally I dont think Alli has had a good season. Also his performances have not been up to standard at the WC. Loftus-Cheek performed well when used and I would have actually started him over Alli last night. Did you inspect the pan before he pulled the flush? |
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Post by pirate on Jul 12, 2018 15:33:17 GMT
Scoring in 8 games out of 36 in the Premier League isn't a bad record, it's the same amount as Kevin De Bruyne managed. Did he have as good a season as he managed during 16/17, I don't think he did, but he certainly didn't have a bad season. Yes you are right about KDB. Very similar goal stats I believe. However, he plays out wide or very deep as a play maker. Totally different positions. And would explain KDB lack of goals. If he was in a more advance position, say in Alli's position, I believe he would have a far greater record. Just an opinion though.
But take goal/assists out of the equation. I am purely talking about Alli's performances. Alli was 'missing' in far too many games last season and at the WC for me. As explained in my previous post for reasons why I believe this to be my opinion. I respect you enough not to bore you repeating it again! If you want to compare 'performances' with Alli and KDB then there is no comparison. KDB had a brilliant season. Alli was nowhere near his level. KDB was heavily involved with pretty much every attack. It was very rare for him to be 'missing' in games. That's why he was right up their in the running to win player of the season.
I have not said Alli has had a bad season. The goals/assists stats from you saved him from a 'bad' season. But his performances which is what I based my original post on Alli about was he hasn't had a great season. Below par for his ability. Lacking in confidence type of performances or playing like he has something heavy on his mind.
Obviously there is no doubt about it, KDB had a better season and I wasnt really trying to compare the two players, but you originally said you didn't think Alli "has had a good season" which is what I was really disagreeing about. I don't think he was as good as the previous season, as I said, but I think he has set himself such a high bar for his level of performances, it was always going to be hard to maintain that over the course of a season, year after year. He's 22-year-old and will have games where he is less effective, but like he showed against Chelsea towards the end of the season with 2 goals and a man of the match display, form is temporary and class is permanent. That display against Chelsea came from more of a wide left position in a 3 behind Son Heung-Min and one of his other better displays came against Liverpool where he played more of a deep-lying midfield role in a central 3 with Winks and Eriksson during Tottenham's 4-1 win. That day he completed 83% of his passes, created two chances, won 100% of his tackles and scored a goal. Hopefully next season he can maintain a good level of consistency throughout the whole campaign so there won't be any need for any more debates such as this one.  |
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Post by youln on Jul 12, 2018 16:24:42 GMT
Trippier and Maguire are good surprises, but i think the lack of goalkeeper in England is such a myth for decades this Pickford guy must be a relief enough to give this award to him !   |
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Post by puregas on Jul 12, 2018 17:16:43 GMT
Unfortunately, Sterling is massively out of his depth at international level. The poor lad looks completely lost. Feel a bit sorry for him really, as he should be nowhere near the England shirt.
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Post by pucklegas on Jul 12, 2018 17:29:32 GMT
Unfortunately, Sterling is massively out of his depth at international level. The poor lad looks completely lost. Feel a bit sorry for him really, as he should be nowhere near the England shirt. Thought he played well last night, pulls players all over the place, he was one of the better performers, Alli Lingard and Kane were below par. |
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