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Post by lpgas on Jul 29, 2018 22:30:53 GMT
Lets look at the past week.. Ellis goes but such is life. Hope to find a suitable replacement before the end of the window. Keith Brookman, appears to be pushed out of the door. Walk into stadium. Past a long queue at the food kiosk, take my place in the stand. Go to get a cup of coffee, stand in queue. Notice drink prices have considerably gone up. Get to front of queue after 15 mins and they only have cheese and onion pasties available. Watch match, started off very well but continued to pass the ball well without any end product. Obviously missing a presence in the box. Defending was a farce. Walk away disappointed but knowing the scoreline didn't reflect the game. We were just shocking where it matters (in both boxes). Get home to watch DC interview (accept this COULD be mind games) where it sounds like once again we are shopping in Poundland despite selling our best player in 3 of the last 4 windows. Me paying more for my season ticket and cup of coffee and service still being sh** I.e season tickets not yet arriving. Shirts being unavailable etc. Hope this makes my frustrations clearer. The club have announced that season tickets should be with purchasers before the first home game of the season. Notice NOT THE FIRST GAME of the season. Just as well we are away then. |
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Post by gaelgas on Jul 29, 2018 22:31:01 GMT
The art of being a successful football club is to score goals, and to prevent the opposition from scoring. At the moment we have 2 first team strikers, one who might score, the other can't score. Meanwhile at the back we have a defence that has leaked goals for the last 10 years, and I see no way to improve that unless we change manager and at least 6 defenders The optimum words being 'at the moment', we have already had the manager and chairman say we will be bringing in strikers, we were told as much by DC when we met him over in Holland. As for the defence, I'm not sure we leaked goals in the two promotion seasons, and looking at the players we have brought in I think our defence will be a lot tighter this season. |
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Post by lpgas on Jul 29, 2018 23:36:17 GMT
The art of being a successful football club is to score goals, and to prevent the opposition from scoring. At the moment we have 2 first team strikers, one who might score, the other can't score. Meanwhile at the back we have a defence that has leaked goals for the last 10 years, and I see no way to improve that unless we change manager and at least 6 defenders The optimum words being 'at the moment', we have already had the manager and chairman say we will be bringing in strikers, we were told as much by DC when we met him over in Holland. As for the defence, I'm not sure we leaked goals in the two promotion seasons, and looking at the players we have brought in I think our defence will be a lot tighter this season. Well that is good news, but I think we should have got one striker in the moment Gaffers went, that was 3 weeks ago? |
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Post by gaelgas on Jul 29, 2018 23:46:51 GMT
The optimum words being 'at the moment', we have already had the manager and chairman say we will be bringing in strikers, we were told as much by DC when we met him over in Holland. As for the defence, I'm not sure we leaked goals in the two promotion seasons, and looking at the players we have brought in I think our defence will be a lot tighter this season. Well that is good news, but I think we should have got one striker in the moment Gaffers went, that was 3 weeks ago? I don't disagree with you, and I'm pretty sure DC would think so too but sadly I guess it's not always possible. Quite often in the transfer window deals are done towards the end because players only become available at the last minute as clubs get replacements in, not ideal but that's the transfer window I'm afraid, at least this year it's not going hang around 3 or 4 weeks into the season. We have at least done the bulk of our business earlier rather than later but I think we'll all be less stressed once we know who we're getting and they are signed up. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 30, 2018 5:54:28 GMT
Lets look at the past week.. Ellis goes but such is life. Hope to find a suitable replacement before the end of the window. Keith Brookman, appears to be pushed out of the door. Walk into stadium. Past a long queue at the food kiosk, take my place in the stand. Go to get a cup of coffee, stand in queue. Notice drink prices have considerably gone up. Get to front of queue after 15 mins and they only have cheese and onion pasties available. Watch match, started off very well but continued to pass the ball well without any end product. Obviously missing a presence in the box. Defending was a farce. Walk away disappointed but knowing the scoreline didn't reflect the game. We were just shocking where it matters (in both boxes). Get home to watch DC interview (accept this COULD be mind games) where it sounds like once again we are shopping in Poundland despite selling our best player in 3 of the last 4 windows. Me paying more for my season ticket and cup of coffee and service still being sh** I.e season tickets not yet arriving. Shirts being unavailable etc. Hope this makes my frustrations clearer. The club have announced that season tickets should be with purchasers before the first home game of the season. Notice NOT THE FIRST GAME of the season. Just as well we are away then. Don't worry, I'm not thick, I did realise. Leaving it late if we have any issues. That is so typically Rovers though, just like the shirts. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 30, 2018 6:22:05 GMT
Lets look at the past week.. Ellis goes but such is life. Hope to find a suitable replacement before the end of the window. Keith Brookman, appears to be pushed out of the door. Walk into stadium. Past a long queue at the food kiosk, take my place in the stand. Go to get a cup of coffee, stand in queue. Notice drink prices have considerably gone up. Get to front of queue after 15 mins and they only have cheese and onion pasties available. Watch match, started off very well but continued to pass the ball well without any end product. Obviously missing a presence in the box. Defending was a farce. Walk away disappointed but knowing the scoreline didn't reflect the game. We were just shocking where it matters (in both boxes). Get home to watch DC interview (accept this COULD be mind games) where it sounds like once again we are shopping in Poundland despite selling our best player in 3 of the last 4 windows. Me paying more for my season ticket and cup of coffee and service still being sh** I.e season tickets not yet arriving. Shirts being unavailable etc. Hope this makes my frustrations clearer. The club have announced that season tickets should be with purchasers before the first home game of the season. Notice NOT THE FIRST GAME of the season. Just as well we are away then. don't worry about the cards working. if it will not work in the automated machine, just show it to the bloke on the foot pedal... |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 30, 2018 6:23:15 GMT
Having read the forums for years im not surprised by all the negativity I'm reading on here and Facebook since yesterdays game. But I don't feel that way, and I definitely feel in the minority. I like the direction of travel our club is taking, and accept there will be bumps along the way. Such as sausage roll prices, 4-0 pre season defeats but the tendency to judge everything blow by blow has never been my style. Im happy with signings so far. And until August 9th is over I don't see the point in judging this windows activity. We sold Ellis cause a bigger club came along.....happens to every club apart from Real Madrid. The price seems reasonable based on his contract length. Can't help smile at the posts from 12 to 24 months ago about Ellis.....glad those posters aren't in charge. I wait with keen anticipation to see who we manage to sign in the next 11 days, and I expect an ok season. In the last window there was much gnashing of teeth and then we signed 2 good ones the morning after the window closed. I believe DC and Wael will do what they can but we will never know the wage demands and ins and outs of transfer negotiations. I'm hopeful of a good season.Top half, with play offs in touching distance will do me. In my 35+ years we have had many years of sh**, but the last 4 have not been. And I don't think the next one will be that bad either. However I will judge this in about 9 months time, not moment by moment for the next nine months š No offence meant to anyone. As I appreciate we all see the world differently. UTG Quality Post Sir, Agree 100% with your thoughts Is this a post with the most likes EVER ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 7:09:45 GMT
The optimum words being 'at the moment', we have already had the manager and chairman say we will be bringing in strikers, we were told as much by DC when we met him over in Holland. As for the defence, I'm not sure we leaked goals in the two promotion seasons, and looking at the players we have brought in I think our defence will be a lot tighter this season. Well that is good news, but I think we should have got one striker in the moment Gaffers went, that was 3 weeks ago? Gaffers signed for Salford on the 15th June,well over three weeks ago! I would suggest we have had plenty of time to sign his replacement, unless Reilly is considered to be a big number nine. |
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Post by bluestone on Jul 30, 2018 7:14:10 GMT
Having read the forums for years im not surprised by all the negativity I'm reading on here and Facebook since yesterdays game. But I don't feel that way, and I definitely feel in the minority. I like the direction of travel our club is taking, and accept there will be bumps along the way. Such as sausage roll prices, 4-0 pre season defeats but the tendency to judge everything blow by blow has never been my style. Im happy with signings so far. And until August 9th is over I don't see the point in judging this windows activity. We sold Ellis cause a bigger club came along.....happens to every club apart from Real Madrid. The price seems reasonable based on his contract length. Can't help smile at the posts from 12 to 24 months ago about Ellis.....glad those posters aren't in charge. I wait with keen anticipation to see who we manage to sign in the next 11 days, and I expect an ok season. In the last window there was much gnashing of teeth and then we signed 2 good ones the morning after the window closed. I believe DC and Wael will do what they can but we will never know the wage demands and ins and outs of transfer negotiations. I'm hopeful of a good season.Top half, with play offs in touching distance will do me. In my 35+ years we have had many years of sh**, but the last 4 have not been. And I don't think the next one will be that bad either. However I will judge this in about 9 months time, not moment by moment for the next nine months š No offence meant to anyone. As I appreciate we all see the world differently. UTG At last, someone with a sense of perspective and I see from the replies we are not alone, perhaps we are actually the majority, it is probably just that those who are not happy make the most noise. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 30, 2018 8:03:31 GMT
Iām normally an avid reader and responder on here but the sh** talk, meltdowns and whinging has gone into overdrive since Ellis left.
Sign two strikers and we will be fine.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 30, 2018 8:15:03 GMT
I too agree with non panic. Our signings so far are very reasonable on paper and have whetted my appetite.
As for price rises, ho hum.
No one's forcing you to buy anything.
If you really cannot go two hours without consuming something, bring your own fruit or water.
I do understand the trepidation with non replacement of a senior striker that was effective though..... it's happened before and remember the outcome?
Lambert. Relegation.
That said, we are a selling club. We've brought a raw talent to a saleable product for a bigger and better club and helped finances along the way. In that way, we are no different than c*ty'82.... the only difference is the funds aren't siphoned into the rugby pot!
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Post by gaelgas on Jul 30, 2018 8:28:25 GMT
I too agree with non panic. Our signings so far are very reasonable on paper and have whetted my appetite. As for price rises, ho hum. No one's forcing you to buy anything. If you really cannot go two hours without consuming something, bring your own fruit or water. I do understand the trepidation with non replacement of a senior striker that was effective though..... it's happened before and remember the outcome? Lambert. Relegation. That said, we are a selling club. We've brought a raw talent to a saleable product for a bigger and better club and helped finances along the way. In that way, we are no different than c*ty'82.... the only difference is the funds aren't siphoned into the rugby pot! I agree with most you say but I think Lambert was far more important to us than Harrison (not to put Ellis) down. Not only did Lambert score roughly double what Harrison scored, but everything was built around him. I think we are a much more balanced team now, and I think the signings so far have strengthened us so his loss is not as great. That said we'll all feel better when a couple of strikers have been signed, preferably with a proven record of scoring. |
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Post by Blueside on Jul 30, 2018 8:34:54 GMT
The art of being a successful football club is to score goals, and to prevent the opposition from scoring. At the moment we have 2 first team strikers, one who might score, the other can't score. Meanwhile at the back we have a defence that has leaked goals for the last 10 years, and I see no way to improve that unless we change manager and at least 6 defenders DC's not been here for ten years, interesting that you link a leaky defence "for the last 10 years" to his presence (or departure)? |
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Post by sidthegas on Jul 30, 2018 8:46:24 GMT
I too agree with non panic. Our signings so far are very reasonable on paper and have whetted my appetite. As for price rises, ho hum. No one's forcing you to buy anything. If you really cannot go two hours without consuming something, bring your own fruit or water. I do understand the trepidation with non replacement of a senior striker that was effective though..... it's happened before and remember the outcome? Lambert. Relegation. That said, we are a selling club. We've brought a raw talent to a saleable product for a bigger and better club and helped finances along the way. In that way, we are no different than c*ty'82.... the only difference is the funds aren't siphoned into the rugby pot! I agree with most you say but I think Lambert was far more important to us than Harrison (not to put Ellis) down. Not only did Lambert score roughly double what Harrison scored, but everything was built around him. I think we are a much more balanced team now, and I think the signings so far have strengthened us so his loss is not as great. That said we'll all feel better when a couple of strikers have been signed, preferably with a proven record of scoring. I agree with this, if some/most/all of the money is reinvested in No9(s) who have a physical presence we will be fine. From memory (which is questionable) a lot of the goals that Ellis scored last season were self made rather than him getting on the end of crosses, so the team style of play has to change but this may help the likes of Nichols or Reilly who should get in and around a bigger striker in the box rather than chasing shadows or fighting against giant centre halfs. We are just as reliant on Sercombe having another 10+ goal season again as we were on Ellis. |
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Post by faggotygas on Jul 30, 2018 9:11:48 GMT
The art of being a successful football club is to score goals, and to prevent the opposition from scoring. At the moment we have 2 first team strikers, one who might score, the other can't score. Meanwhile at the back we have a defence that has leaked goals for the last 10 years, and I see no way to improve that unless we change manager and at least 6 defenders "Meanwhile at the back we have a defence that has leaked goals for the last 10 years"
When someone makes an assertion like that, I can't help but check if it is actually true. Here's our goals conceded record over the last 5 years ( I thought it fair to only include seasons where DC has been involved - I don't think we can blame DC or our current defenders for events that happened before they even joined the club), along with an average for the division and the standard deviation (a statistical measure - if a number is within 1 standard deviation of a data set, then it can be considered random noise):
2013 (League 2) = Conceded 54, division average 54.6, standard deviation = 7.7 - bang average record, even in our relegation season. Our defence performed fine, what cost us was not scoring goals. 2014 (Conference) = Conceded 34, division average 62, standard deviation = 13.8 - best defensive record in the division. I don't know how that can be considered leaky. 2015 (League 2) = Conceded 46, division average 61, standard deviation = 14.8 - statistically significant below average goals conceded, so not leaky at all 2016 (League 1) = Conceded 70, division average 59, standard deviation = 11.7 - just statistically significant above average goals conceded, so a bit leaky 2017 (League 1) = Conceded 66, division average 58, standard deviation = 11.5 - slightly above average goals conceded, but not statistically significant.
So there's only been 1 season in the last 5 where our defence could be considered leaky, and we should consider that that season followed 2 promotions in succession.
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Post by costahotshot on Jul 30, 2018 9:34:59 GMT
Having read the forums for years im not surprised by all the negativity I'm reading on here and Facebook since yesterdays game. But I don't feel that way, and I definitely feel in the minority. I like the direction of travel our club is taking, and accept there will be bumps along the way. Such as sausage roll prices, 4-0 pre season defeats but the tendency to judge everything blow by blow has never been my style. Im happy with signings so far. And until August 9th is over I don't see the point in judging this windows activity. We sold Ellis cause a bigger club came along.....happens to every club apart from Real Madrid. The price seems reasonable based on his contract length. Can't help smile at the posts from 12 to 24 months ago about Ellis.....glad those posters aren't in charge. I wait with keen anticipation to see who we manage to sign in the next 11 days, and I expect an ok season. In the last window there was much gnashing of teeth and then we signed 2 good ones the morning after the window closed. I believe DC and Wael will do what they can but we will never know the wage demands and ins and outs of transfer negotiations. I'm hopeful of a good season.Top half, with play offs in touching distance will do me. In my 35+ years we have had many years of sh**, but the last 4 have not been. And I don't think the next one will be that bad either. However I will judge this in about 9 months time, not moment by moment for the next nine months š No offence meant to anyone. As I appreciate we all see the world differently. UTG With you 100%, great post |
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Post by lpgas on Jul 30, 2018 9:36:04 GMT
The art of being a successful football club is to score goals, and to prevent the opposition from scoring. At the moment we have 2 first team strikers, one who might score, the other can't score. Meanwhile at the back we have a defence that has leaked goals for the last 10 years, and I see no way to improve that unless we change manager and at least 6 defenders DC's not been here for ten years, interesting that you link a leaky defence "for the last 10 years" to his presence (or departure)? |
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Post by spiess1 on Jul 30, 2018 9:38:21 GMT
Goals conceded by a DC side are higher than many other teams concede because he doesn't ''shut up shop'' at 0-2, (for example).
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Post by faggotygas on Jul 30, 2018 9:47:44 GMT
Goals conceded by a DC side are higher than many other teams concede because he doesn't ''shut up shop'' at 0-2, (for example). But there's only been one season where that is true. |
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Post by spiess1 on Jul 30, 2018 9:55:22 GMT
Faggoty, indeed.
Twould be good to see how many are conceded in the last 10 minutes, when going for late goals ourselves.
It seems 0-2 can become 0-3 cos we're going for 1-2 and 2-2.
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