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Post by tommym9 on Aug 2, 2018 8:23:29 GMT
New electronic turnstiles Redeveloped bar(s) Redeveloped club shop Two new stands (Probably) a lot of additional income from new sponsor partners There's probably more things, those were just off the top of my head. You may not like the transfer dealings so far, but you can't say they haven't been spending money on improving the infrastructure. I would argue that those improvements mentioned are a given for a club our size. Nothing above and beyond whatsoever. And I would argue they should have happened way before now. The fact is they've made more improvements to the mem in the last 3 years than we've seen in the last 20. All small bits granted, but improvements none the less.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 8:23:30 GMT
You can put lipstick on a Moose - but it's still a Moose! I've heard this before, but never met anyone who's done it. Should you try, please watch out for those antlers. I've done it with a Camel...the foxy little minx !
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Post by mjhgas on Aug 2, 2018 8:26:02 GMT
We are where we are - it's been worse!
I'm amazed that fans really thought that the ALQ's were multi-billionaires! (they may be, but no evidence so far!).
Look at our history - we've always sold our best players, have owned or rented a ground and been right in the **** financially for a long time.
Here's an idea - we break even every year and live within our means - if that meant being in L2 or the Conference, how many would be happy then?
Football as an industry is a basket-case and a rich man's club - Premier and Championship - it's almost a closed shop - that's why they pay parachute payments!
We aren't part of it and won't ever be until we get a new ground (and 20,000 over-paying fans)!!!
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 2, 2018 8:26:55 GMT
New electronic turnstiles Redeveloped bar(s) Redeveloped club shop Two new stands (Probably) a lot of additional income from new sponsor partners There's probably more things, those were just off the top of my head. You may not like the transfer dealings so far, but you can't say they haven't been spending money on improving the infrastructure. Electronic turnstiles don’t think so and they won’t keep you dry when it’s raining ☔️ some people are so easily pleased Come on harley show a bit more respect for the opinion of others. Nor does Ed Upson, Sercombe or the development squad keep us dry when it rains but I’m glad we’ve got them. Doesn’t mean we’re easily pleased, just that it’s good to see owners spending money after about 50 years. Different opinions eh? UTG!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 2, 2018 8:30:17 GMT
Things haven't moved as quickly as we'd all hoped and communication is terrible but they haven't done our club any harm yet.
It's a B+ from me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 8:35:05 GMT
Oh good.... yet another board bashing thread serving what purpose exactly?
I don’t get exactly what everyone’s big issue is?? What’s changed in the last 10 plus years?? We haven’t owned our own training ground in that time, we’ve never spent significant sums on players in that time and if anything historically we’ve been closer to administration and struggled financially more historically than we are now!? The only real change as I can see it is that we’ve had success on the pitch in recent years in a very short space of time, we now own land which we didn’t before which is earmarked for a training facility, were spending more on players now than we used to and we’re making improvements to the Mem to improve short term experience whilst full options are assessed on what is going to happen regarding stadium plans.
In my eyes were in a better place than we were previously and were buying some time.
The debt secured against the mem is no different to a standard Mortgage transaction so the risk is absolutely no different now to what it was previously - the bank could have foreclosed in the past if we couldn’t pay the bills and there was a big risk before of that as the previous board couldn’t sustain the levels of funding required.
In the longer past prices went up and it was only due to recent poor pitch performance that meant the board froze prices to try and maintain footfall into the ground.
The challenges against the infrastructure (support and office staff etc) is weak in my opinion because if you have ambitions of sustainability at a higher level you need those foundations in place. Like building a house, you never build it without foundations because if you did it would stand for a short period then collapse.
Could communication be better? Possibly but it’s a double edged sword as us fans hang off of every word that is said and then if something doesn’t happen as exactly said, they get crucified for it even if it was said at the time based upon best known knowledge and with the right intentions.
Personally I feel that some are getting carried away due to the on field success we had in that short period and are not affording the right respect and patience that is due to the current owners.
FWIW I personally believe we’ll be signing 2 strikers and another LB before the transfer window closes. I think 1 striker will be perm and the other will be a long term loan and I think the LB will be a short term loan to cover THD getting back to full fitness.
I also sincerely hope that those board bashers we have end up having to eat humble pie - they may not and it may be me but I don’t see what good this permanent bashing does?
There was never any mention of the owners donating money into the club - in fact they have always talked about self sustainability and as they are bankers that is the natural business model to expect. If any of you were the owner would you happily write off £10’s of millions of pounds and watch your personal wealth erode away stopping you being able to pass that on to your family? Just cos Lansdown has done that in the past (he isn’t now as he has introduced salary caps etc and openly talked about the sh*t having to become more self sustaining) doesn’t me that everyone else should.
Please can we stop this anti board rubbish? Every thread seems to now get twisted into something to knock the board and this knocking is unjustified in my eyes.
Patience and respect are the 2 words I’d use that us fans need to have - especially with this summers recruitment in my eyes being decent and only the strikers being a weak area currently (which I think will be rectified in the coming days)
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Post by Baxtinho on Aug 2, 2018 8:42:22 GMT
New electronic turnstiles Redeveloped bar(s) Redeveloped club shop Two new stands (Probably) a lot of additional income from new sponsor partners There's probably more things, those were just off the top of my head. You may not like the transfer dealings so far, but you can't say they haven't been spending money on improving the infrastructure. Electronic turnstiles don’t think so and they won’t keep you dry when it’s raining ☔️ some people are so easily pleased What do you mean by this comment? Are you saying that they're not classed as as improvement? Or that they're not happening? You say that I'm easily pleased, I consider myself realistic.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 2, 2018 8:43:44 GMT
Oh good.... yet another board bashing thread serving what purpose exactly? I don’t get exactly what everyone’s big issue is?? What’s changed in the last 10 plus years?? We haven’t owned our own training ground in that time, we’ve never spent significant sums on players in that time and if anything historically we’ve been closer to administration and struggled financially more historically than we are now!? The only real change as I can see it is that we’ve had success on the pitch in recent years in a very short space of time, we now own land which we didn’t before which is earmarked for a training facility, were spending more on players now than we used to and we’re making improvements to the Mem to improve short term experience whilst full options are assessed on what is going to happen regarding stadium plans. In my eyes were in a better place than we were previously and were buying some time. The debt secured against the mem is no different to a standard Mortgage transaction so the risk is absolutely no different now to what it was previously - the bank could have foreclosed in the past if we couldn’t pay the bills and there was a big risk before of that as the previous board couldn’t sustain the levels of funding required. In the longer past prices went up and it was only due to recent poor pitch performance that meant the board froze prices to try and maintain footfall into the ground. The challenges against the infrastructure (support and office staff etc) is weak in my opinion because if you have ambitions of sustainability at a higher level you need those foundations in place. Like building a house, you never build it without foundations because if you did it would stand for a short period then collapse. Could communication be better? Possibly but it’s a double edged sword as us fans hang off of every word that is said and then if something doesn’t happen as exactly said, they get crucified for it even if it was said at the time based upon best known knowledge and with the right intentions. Personally I feel that some are getting carried away due to the on field success we had in that short period and are not affording the right respect and patience that is due to the current owners. FWIW I personally believe we’ll be signing 2 strikers and another LB before the transfer window closes. I think 1 striker will be perm and the other will be a long term loan and I think the LB will be a short term loan to cover THD getting back to full fitness. I also sincerely hope that those board bashers we have end up having to eat humble pie - they may not and it may be me but I don’t see what good this permanent bashing does? There was never any mention of the owners donating money into the club - in fact they have always talked about self sustainability and as they are bankers that is the natural business model to expect. If any of you were the owner would you happily write off £10’s of millions of pounds and watch your personal wealth erode away stopping you being able to pass that on to your family? Just cos Lansdown has done that in the past (he isn’t now as he has introduced salary caps etc and openly talked about the sh*t having to become more self sustaining) doesn’t me that everyone else should. Please can we stop this anti board rubbish? Every thread seems to now get twisted into something to knock the board and this knocking is unjustified in my eyes. Patience and respect are the 2 words I’d use that us fans need to have - especially with this summers recruitment in my eyes being decent and only the strikers being a weak area currently (which I think will be rectified in the coming days) I agree with this, but I think the main difference is the owners are foreigners and/or not gasheads. If we have a gashead owning us, then it's ok to be under-achieving and a bit crap, coz let's face it, that's almost our entire history. If we have a foreign/not-gashead owner then people (not unreasonably) wonder why did they buy us? It's not coz they're gasheads, so what's the reason?
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Post by Captain Jayho on Aug 2, 2018 8:44:55 GMT
Just out of interest where will we stand next year when our debt exceeds our one major asset. Our red "friends" seem to continually use the phrase "asset stripping" Your first point is a fair question. But I fail to see how the teds can suggest the AQs are asset strippers. So far all they have really done is buy a plot of land for the training ground. Which is a new asset for the club, or was last time I looked!
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Post by mrpirate on Aug 2, 2018 8:46:31 GMT
Everyone just needs to chill out. Yes it’s frustrating - but completing transfer business early has never been our strong point. But, and this isn’t a big but - DC always gets it right. Let’s trust him.
As for ghe board, slow progress but progress at least. I feel we’re in a much better place and probably the strongest position we’ve been in for a long while. And let’s face it, we are a selling club - always have been and always will be. But is the same for pretty much all Clubs unless you’re in top 5 in the prem
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Post by dinsdale on Aug 2, 2018 8:54:07 GMT
Things haven't moved as quickly as we'd all hoped and communication is terrible but they haven't done our club any harm yet. It's a B+ from me. I agree with Hugo, i also wonder why buy a club like ours. The changes they are bringing in should slowly make some inroads into the vast loss making that occurs but there is zero chance of promotion with this level of investment and zero chance of a return on their £10m. I guess time will tell if they are hero’s or villains
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 8:58:44 GMT
Oh good.... yet another board bashing thread serving what purpose exactly? I don’t get exactly what everyone’s big issue is?? What’s changed in the last 10 plus years?? We haven’t owned our own training ground in that time, we’ve never spent significant sums on players in that time and if anything historically we’ve been closer to administration and struggled financially more historically than we are now!? The only real change as I can see it is that we’ve had success on the pitch in recent years in a very short space of time, we now own land which we didn’t before which is earmarked for a training facility, were spending more on players now than we used to and we’re making improvements to the Mem to improve short term experience whilst full options are assessed on what is going to happen regarding stadium plans. In my eyes were in a better place than we were previously and were buying some time. The debt secured against the mem is no different to a standard Mortgage transaction so the risk is absolutely no different now to what it was previously - the bank could have foreclosed in the past if we couldn’t pay the bills and there was a big risk before of that as the previous board couldn’t sustain the levels of funding required. In the longer past prices went up and it was only due to recent poor pitch performance that meant the board froze prices to try and maintain footfall into the ground. The challenges against the infrastructure (support and office staff etc) is weak in my opinion because if you have ambitions of sustainability at a higher level you need those foundations in place. Like building a house, you never build it without foundations because if you did it would stand for a short period then collapse. Could communication be better? Possibly but it’s a double edged sword as us fans hang off of every word that is said and then if something doesn’t happen as exactly said, they get crucified for it even if it was said at the time based upon best known knowledge and with the right intentions. Personally I feel that some are getting carried away due to the on field success we had in that short period and are not affording the right respect and patience that is due to the current owners. FWIW I personally believe we’ll be signing 2 strikers and another LB before the transfer window closes. I think 1 striker will be perm and the other will be a long term loan and I think the LB will be a short term loan to cover THD getting back to full fitness. I also sincerely hope that those board bashers we have end up having to eat humble pie - they may not and it may be me but I don’t see what good this permanent bashing does? There was never any mention of the owners donating money into the club - in fact they have always talked about self sustainability and as they are bankers that is the natural business model to expect. If any of you were the owner would you happily write off £10’s of millions of pounds and watch your personal wealth erode away stopping you being able to pass that on to your family? Just cos Lansdown has done that in the past (he isn’t now as he has introduced salary caps etc and openly talked about the sh*t having to become more self sustaining) doesn’t me that everyone else should. Please can we stop this anti board rubbish? Every thread seems to now get twisted into something to knock the board and this knocking is unjustified in my eyes. Patience and respect are the 2 words I’d use that us fans need to have - especially with this summers recruitment in my eyes being decent and only the strikers being a weak area currently (which I think will be rectified in the coming days) I agree with this, but I think the main difference is the owners are foreigners and/or not gasheads. If we have a gashead owning us, then it's ok to be under-achieving and a bit crap, coz let's face it, that's almost our entire history. If we have a foreign/not-gashead owner then people (not unreasonably) wonder why did they buy us? It's not coz they're gasheads, so what's the reason? Could be a number of reasons..... no one really knows - hobby, kudos for owning a club, the love of football, satisfaction in turning an underperforming club around..... truth is no one really knows
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Post by francegas on Aug 2, 2018 9:15:27 GMT
Just out of interest where will we stand next year when our debt exceeds our one major asset. Our red "friends" seem to continually use the phrase "asset stripping" Good that our supporters trust the City82ers more than they do our own owners. Too many people talking crap about something they know nothing about because its the holiday season. I wouldn't blame Wael & Co if they did sell up and bugger off to be honest. The loyal supporters who saw us through the Conference period and back to League One seem to have disappeared and been replaced by a plethora of moaning whinging plastic supporters who would be better in place at Ashton than singing Irene at the Mem. We are Rovers supporters, we're faithful and true, we'll always follow the boys in blue.....really?? I hope DC and Co don't read this column, I expect they would wonder why they bother.... Wow where have I said I trust the 82ers. I asked a simple question about debt v assets and I'm told to bugger off down Ashton. Been supporting the gas since 1976 and living now in france that now makes me a plastic fan...unbelievable
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Post by socrates on Aug 2, 2018 9:27:47 GMT
I agree with this, but I think the main difference is the owners are foreigners and/or not gasheads. If we have a gashead owning us, then it's ok to be under-achieving and a bit crap, coz let's face it, that's almost our entire history. If we have a foreign/not-gashead owner then people (not unreasonably) wonder why did they buy us? It's not coz they're gasheads, so what's the reason? Could be a number of reasons..... no one really knows - hobby, kudos for owning a club, the love of football, satisfaction in turning an underperforming club around..... truth is no one really knows For Wael I’m pretty sure it was a combination of all those things, for the rest of the family I haven’t a clue but I reckon a lot of it was down to simply just Wael really wanting to do it and the rest of the family helping him because he’s family.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 9:28:53 GMT
Why did he buy us? To prove he's got no money. Obvs really.x
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Aug 2, 2018 9:31:56 GMT
Oh good.... yet another board bashing thread serving what purpose exactly? I don’t get exactly what everyone’s big issue is?? What’s changed in the last 10 plus years?? We haven’t owned our own training ground in that time, we’ve never spent significant sums on players in that time and if anything historically we’ve been closer to administration and struggled financially more historically than we are now!? The only real change as I can see it is that we’ve had success on the pitch in recent years in a very short space of time, we now own land which we didn’t before which is earmarked for a training facility, were spending more on players now than we used to and we’re making improvements to the Mem to improve short term experience whilst full options are assessed on what is going to happen regarding stadium plans. In my eyes were in a better place than we were previously and were buying some time. The debt secured against the mem is no different to a standard Mortgage transaction so the risk is absolutely no different now to what it was previously - the bank could have foreclosed in the past if we couldn’t pay the bills and there was a big risk before of that as the previous board couldn’t sustain the levels of funding required. In the longer past prices went up and it was only due to recent poor pitch performance that meant the board froze prices to try and maintain footfall into the ground. The challenges against the infrastructure (support and office staff etc) is weak in my opinion because if you have ambitions of sustainability at a higher level you need those foundations in place. Like building a house, you never build it without foundations because if you did it would stand for a short period then collapse. Could communication be better? Possibly but it’s a double edged sword as us fans hang off of every word that is said and then if something doesn’t happen as exactly said, they get crucified for it even if it was said at the time based upon best known knowledge and with the right intentions. Personally I feel that some are getting carried away due to the on field success we had in that short period and are not affording the right respect and patience that is due to the current owners. FWIW I personally believe we’ll be signing 2 strikers and another LB before the transfer window closes. I think 1 striker will be perm and the other will be a long term loan and I think the LB will be a short term loan to cover THD getting back to full fitness. I also sincerely hope that those board bashers we have end up having to eat humble pie - they may not and it may be me but I don’t see what good this permanent bashing does? There was never any mention of the owners donating money into the club - in fact they have always talked about self sustainability and as they are bankers that is the natural business model to expect. If any of you were the owner would you happily write off £10’s of millions of pounds and watch your personal wealth erode away stopping you being able to pass that on to your family? Just cos Lansdown has done that in the past (he isn’t now as he has introduced salary caps etc and openly talked about the sh*t having to become more self sustaining) doesn’t me that everyone else should. Please can we stop this anti board rubbish? Every thread seems to now get twisted into something to knock the board and this knocking is unjustified in my eyes. Patience and respect are the 2 words I’d use that us fans need to have - especially with this summers recruitment in my eyes being decent and only the strikers being a weak area currently (which I think will be rectified in the coming days) Spot on! You are a true fan, and thank you for outlining what the true position at BRFC really is.
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Post by spacegas on Aug 2, 2018 9:33:28 GMT
Just out of interest where will we stand next year when our debt exceeds our one major asset. Our red "friends" seem to continually use the phrase "asset stripping" Good that our supporters trust the City82ers more than they do our own owners. Too many people talking crap about something they know nothing about because its the holiday season. I wouldn't blame Wael & Co if they did sell up and bugger off to be honest. The loyal supporters who saw us through the Conference period and back to League One seem to have disappeared and been replaced by a plethora of moaning whinging plastic supporters who would be better in place at Ashton than singing Irene at the Mem. We are Rovers supporters, we're faithful and true, we'll always follow the boys in blue.....really?? I hope DC and Co don't read this column, I expect they would wonder why they bother.... Couldn’t put it better myself. Just over two years ago Wael was being paraded by the supporters after our last day promotion. Improvements to the pitch, staff infrastructure, ground fail to satisfy the moaners, it just seems so blinkered to keep banging that negative drum.Perhaps the club could get some happy clappy juice to be served in the bar before kick off...at a premium price of course..😉
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Post by lpgas on Aug 2, 2018 9:37:06 GMT
Electronic turnstiles don’t think so and they won’t keep you dry when it’s raining ☔️ some people are so easily pleased What do you mean by this comment? Are you saying that they're not classed as as improvement? Or that they're not happening? You say that I'm easily pleased, I consider myself realistic.
Is it an improvement? You still need someone there in case it goes wrong, the fact that had we been home on the first game we would have struggled to get all the tickets out. If you don't have a season ticket anyone know how you get one? It's not on the OS. there are no signs of any new stands, the bar isn't finished. We are short of 2 players (3 in reality) and we kick off in 2 days and 4 hours and 20 minutes? Improvement? It's a shambles.
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Post by lpgas on Aug 2, 2018 9:43:10 GMT
Meanwhile the training ground. Obviously it has stopped because of the cost. We needed billionaire business men to buy a us, not bankers. If anyone on here has the slightest idea of being sustainable then I suggest you look at all the other FL clubs. Even our friends up the road rely on their owner to give them cash, as do we. Our problem is that banks in general like to keep hold of their money
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Post by peterparker on Aug 2, 2018 9:43:44 GMT
What do you mean by this comment? Are you saying that they're not classed as as improvement? Or that they're not happening? You say that I'm easily pleased, I consider myself realistic.
Is it an improvement? You still need someone there in case it goes wrong, the fact that had we been home on the first game we would have struggled to get all the tickets out. If you don't have a season ticket anyone know how you get one? It's not on the OS. there are no signs of any new stands, the bar isn't finished. We are short of 2 players (3 in reality) and we kick off in 2 days and 4 hours and 20 minutes? Improvement? It's a shambles. If the bar and the stands etc are sorted by the first game what is the problem?
I agree that there should be some communication about how you are going to get into the ground if you are a non-ST holder especially with tickets not being able to be purchased at the moment.
I may tweet Tom Gorringe about it, but then I may not and someone else can do it
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