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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 9:45:15 GMT
What do you mean by this comment? Are you saying that they're not classed as as improvement? Or that they're not happening? You say that I'm easily pleased, I consider myself realistic.
Is it an improvement? You still need someone there in case it goes wrong, the fact that had we been home on the first game we would have struggled to get all the tickets out. If you don't have a season ticket anyone know how you get one? It's not on the OS. there are no signs of any new stands, the bar isn't finished. We are short of 2 players (3 in reality) and we kick off in 2 days and 4 hours and 20 minutes? Improvement? It's a shambles. No ones got a season ticket yet have they
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 2, 2018 9:46:29 GMT
Good that our supporters trust the City82ers more than they do our own owners. Too many people talking crap about something they know nothing about because its the holiday season. I wouldn't blame Wael & Co if they did sell up and bugger off to be honest. The loyal supporters who saw us through the Conference period and back to League One seem to have disappeared and been replaced by a plethora of moaning whinging plastic supporters who would be better in place at Ashton than singing Irene at the Mem. We are Rovers supporters, we're faithful and true, we'll always follow the boys in blue.....really?? I hope DC and Co don't read this column, I expect they would wonder why they bother.... Couldn’t put it better myself. Just over two years ago Wael was being paraded by the supporters after our last day promotion. Improvements to the pitch, staff infrastructure, ground fail to satisfy the moaners, it just seems so blinkered to keep banging that negative drum.Perhaps the club could get some happy clappy juice to be served in the bar before kick off...at a premium price of course..😉 So when you came to renew your s/t or match ticket do you think a) we'll have a nice pitch and decent staff this season or b) we've a good squad of players who may be able challenge for a play off spot?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 2, 2018 9:48:45 GMT
Is it an improvement? You still need someone there in case it goes wrong, the fact that had we been home on the first game we would have struggled to get all the tickets out. If you don't have a season ticket anyone know how you get one? It's not on the OS. there are no signs of any new stands, the bar isn't finished. We are short of 2 players (3 in reality) and we kick off in 2 days and 4 hours and 20 minutes? Improvement? It's a shambles. If the bar and the stands etc are sorted by the first game what is the problem?
I agree that there should be some communication about how you are going to get into the ground if you are a non-ST holder especially with tickets not being able to be purchased at the moment.
I may tweet Tom Gorringe about it, but then I may not and someone else can do it
Where do fans who've bought tickets sit??
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Post by Baxtinho on Aug 2, 2018 9:49:05 GMT
What do you mean by this comment? Are you saying that they're not classed as as improvement? Or that they're not happening? You say that I'm easily pleased, I consider myself realistic.
Is it an improvement? You still need someone there in case it goes wrong, the fact that had we been home on the first game we would have struggled to get all the tickets out. If you don't have a season ticket anyone know how you get one? It's not on the OS. there are no signs of any new stands, the bar isn't finished. We are short of 2 players (3 in reality) and we kick off in 2 days and 4 hours and 20 minutes? Improvement? It's a shambles. It's laughable that it's taken this long to get a system of checking who buys what tickets and who attends what games. 2018 and we were still expected to faff around with paper vouchers and having to go to the ground to buy tickets. Of course modernisation is an improvement.
For one off games, you probably get a ticket from the box office that has a barcode on, you know...like at other clubs.
FWIW, I agree about the players, but that wasn't what we were talking about.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 2, 2018 9:54:49 GMT
If the bar and the stands etc are sorted by the first game what is the problem?
I agree that there should be some communication about how you are going to get into the ground if you are a non-ST holder especially with tickets not being able to be purchased at the moment.
I may tweet Tom Gorringe about it, but then I may not and someone else can do it
Where do fans who've bought tickets sit?? in the seat they have purchase if they are there in time for the first game. we aren't there yet and I believe Tom Gorringe said they were going in the first week of August, which it still is last time I checked
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Post by costahotshot on Aug 2, 2018 9:55:10 GMT
Progress will never be fast enough for some fans, are we in a better place than when they took over, for me it’s a 100% yes, without their involvement I honestly believe we would have gone bust. They never promised overnight success or changes, let’s all try and be positive and get behind the owner, DC and the team, after all the season hasn’t even started yet !
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 2, 2018 9:58:17 GMT
Meanwhile the training ground. Obviously it has stopped because of the cost. We needed billionaire business men to buy a us, not bankers. If anyone on here has the slightest idea of being sustainable then I suggest you look at all the other FL clubs. Even our friends up the road rely on their owner to give them cash, as do we. Our problem is that banks in general like to keep hold of their money its not the cost its the change of use issue......
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 2, 2018 10:07:39 GMT
Oh good.... yet another board bashing thread serving what purpose exactly? I don’t get exactly what everyone’s big issue is?? What’s changed in the last 10 plus years?? We haven’t owned our own training ground in that time, we’ve never spent significant sums on players in that time and if anything historically we’ve been closer to administration and struggled financially more historically than we are now!? The only real change as I can see it is that we’ve had success on the pitch in recent years in a very short space of time, we now own land which we didn’t before which is earmarked for a training facility, were spending more on players now than we used to and we’re making improvements to the Mem to improve short term experience whilst full options are assessed on what is going to happen regarding stadium plans. In my eyes were in a better place than we were previously and were buying some time. The debt secured against the mem is no different to a standard Mortgage transaction so the risk is absolutely no different now to what it was previously - the bank could have foreclosed in the past if we couldn’t pay the bills and there was a big risk before of that as the previous board couldn’t sustain the levels of funding required. In the longer past prices went up and it was only due to recent poor pitch performance that meant the board froze prices to try and maintain footfall into the ground. The challenges against the infrastructure (support and office staff etc) is weak in my opinion because if you have ambitions of sustainability at a higher level you need those foundations in place. Like building a house, you never build it without foundations because if you did it would stand for a short period then collapse. Could communication be better? Possibly but it’s a double edged sword as us fans hang off of every word that is said and then if something doesn’t happen as exactly said, they get crucified for it even if it was said at the time based upon best known knowledge and with the right intentions. Personally I feel that some are getting carried away due to the on field success we had in that short period and are not affording the right respect and patience that is due to the current owners. FWIW I personally believe we’ll be signing 2 strikers and another LB before the transfer window closes. I think 1 striker will be perm and the other will be a long term loan and I think the LB will be a short term loan to cover THD getting back to full fitness. I also sincerely hope that those board bashers we have end up having to eat humble pie - they may not and it may be me but I don’t see what good this permanent bashing does? There was never any mention of the owners donating money into the club - in fact they have always talked about self sustainability and as they are bankers that is the natural business model to expect. If any of you were the owner would you happily write off £10’s of millions of pounds and watch your personal wealth erode away stopping you being able to pass that on to your family? Just cos Lansdown has done that in the past (he isn’t now as he has introduced salary caps etc and openly talked about the sh*t having to become more self sustaining) doesn’t me that everyone else should. Please can we stop this anti board rubbish? Every thread seems to now get twisted into something to knock the board and this knocking is unjustified in my eyes. Patience and respect are the 2 words I’d use that us fans need to have - especially with this summers recruitment in my eyes being decent and only the strikers being a weak area currently (which I think will be rectified in the coming days) "The debt secured against the mem is no different to a standard Mortgage transaction so the risk is absolutely no different now to what it was previously" We've never had a mortgage exceeding 50% of the Mem value let alone 100%! If the ALQ's ever decided to quit the debt is now totally unmanageable and there seems no obvious plan to reduce the debts. To make matters worse we've sold our best two strikers and it seems the transfer fees are going to pay for a new CEO, an office in London and a Directors golly to Holland rather than their replacements.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 10:11:25 GMT
Couldn’t put it better myself. Just over two years ago Wael was being paraded by the supporters after our last day promotion. Improvements to the pitch, staff infrastructure, ground fail to satisfy the moaners, it just seems so blinkered to keep banging that negative drum.Perhaps the club could get some happy clappy juice to be served in the bar before kick off...at a premium price of course..😉 So when you came to renew your s/t or match ticket do you think a) we'll have a nice pitch and decent staff this season or b) we've a good squad of players who may be able challenge for a play off spot? Personally I thought the stadium would be improved a lot bit so I had a better match day experience, the pitch would be better so we’re likely to see better more fluid football and the playing squad has improved so we won’t have a season of struggle and with some luck we’ll sneak the top 6. I still believe that to be the case as I am optimistic that we’ll get the forwards in we need before the close of the window and if we don’t then we have a manager and coaching team that will help us to adapt.. I’m not expecting top 6, I’m hopeful and I’m not expecting a season of struggle - in my eyes, struggling and relegation is highly unlikely. I don’t read anything into pre-season games as they are just about fitness, match sharpness, experimenting and testing the squad in full. (Certainly that was the case for me when I played in and then managed teams albeit at amateur level)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 10:19:08 GMT
Oh good.... yet another board bashing thread serving what purpose exactly? I don’t get exactly what everyone’s big issue is?? What’s changed in the last 10 plus years?? We haven’t owned our own training ground in that time, we’ve never spent significant sums on players in that time and if anything historically we’ve been closer to administration and struggled financially more historically than we are now!? The only real change as I can see it is that we’ve had success on the pitch in recent years in a very short space of time, we now own land which we didn’t before which is earmarked for a training facility, were spending more on players now than we used to and we’re making improvements to the Mem to improve short term experience whilst full options are assessed on what is going to happen regarding stadium plans. In my eyes were in a better place than we were previously and were buying some time. The debt secured against the mem is no different to a standard Mortgage transaction so the risk is absolutely no different now to what it was previously - the bank could have foreclosed in the past if we couldn’t pay the bills and there was a big risk before of that as the previous board couldn’t sustain the levels of funding required. In the longer past prices went up and it was only due to recent poor pitch performance that meant the board froze prices to try and maintain footfall into the ground. The challenges against the infrastructure (support and office staff etc) is weak in my opinion because if you have ambitions of sustainability at a higher level you need those foundations in place. Like building a house, you never build it without foundations because if you did it would stand for a short period then collapse. Could communication be better? Possibly but it’s a double edged sword as us fans hang off of every word that is said and then if something doesn’t happen as exactly said, they get crucified for it even if it was said at the time based upon best known knowledge and with the right intentions. Personally I feel that some are getting carried away due to the on field success we had in that short period and are not affording the right respect and patience that is due to the current owners. FWIW I personally believe we’ll be signing 2 strikers and another LB before the transfer window closes. I think 1 striker will be perm and the other will be a long term loan and I think the LB will be a short term loan to cover THD getting back to full fitness. I also sincerely hope that those board bashers we have end up having to eat humble pie - they may not and it may be me but I don’t see what good this permanent bashing does? There was never any mention of the owners donating money into the club - in fact they have always talked about self sustainability and as they are bankers that is the natural business model to expect. If any of you were the owner would you happily write off £10’s of millions of pounds and watch your personal wealth erode away stopping you being able to pass that on to your family? Just cos Lansdown has done that in the past (he isn’t now as he has introduced salary caps etc and openly talked about the sh*t having to become more self sustaining) doesn’t me that everyone else should. Please can we stop this anti board rubbish? Every thread seems to now get twisted into something to knock the board and this knocking is unjustified in my eyes. Patience and respect are the 2 words I’d use that us fans need to have - especially with this summers recruitment in my eyes being decent and only the strikers being a weak area currently (which I think will be rectified in the coming days) "The debt secured against the mem is no different to a standard Mortgage transaction so the risk is absolutely no different now to what it was previously" We've never had a mortgage exceeding 50% of the Mem value let alone 100%! If the ALQ's ever decided to quit the debt is now totally unmanageable and there seems no obvious plan to reduce the debts. To make matters worse we've sold our best two strikers and it seems the transfer fees are going to pay for a new CEO, an office in London and a Directors golly to Holland rather than their replacements. Sorry Topper but how is that fact? I agree the debt is higher secured against the stadium now but the risk is no different - in fact it was probably worse before as we couldn’t get a further advance when needed hence the Wonga Loan. At least now it is secured against something our owner owns so ‘they’ can decide if to lend more and cover debts or not - not an unconnected 3rd Party who has to abide by BofE and CoB rules etc. They also have the ability to decide themselves if they wanted to remove that security and approach someone else for a loan/mortgage. The security of the debt against the mem is a non story in my opinion as the reputation damage they’d cause themselves if the worst was to happen would significantly and detrimentally impact their wider business ventures and opportunities. Personal view
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 2, 2018 10:25:23 GMT
"The debt secured against the mem is no different to a standard Mortgage transaction so the risk is absolutely no different now to what it was previously" We've never had a mortgage exceeding 50% of the Mem value let alone 100%! If the ALQ's ever decided to quit the debt is now totally unmanageable and there seems no obvious plan to reduce the debts. Didn't we have 8M debt under Higgs and another 1.3M on the Wonga loan? City have had about 70M worth of 'unmanageable' debts. SL just swaps it for equity in the club (when there's value), or writes it off. Lots of clubs do that.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 2, 2018 10:29:24 GMT
Is it an improvement? You still need someone there in case it goes wrong, the fact that had we been home on the first game we would have struggled to get all the tickets out. If you don't have a season ticket anyone know how you get one? It's not on the OS. there are no signs of any new stands, the bar isn't finished. We are short of 2 players (3 in reality) and we kick off in 2 days and 4 hours and 20 minutes? Improvement? It's a shambles. No ones got a season ticket yet have they Apparently 2 people (out of 29): gasheads.proboards.com/thread/12595/season-tickets
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Post by rusho'gas on Aug 2, 2018 11:01:07 GMT
Yet another thread on the same, tired theme. Some posters on here need to get a grip and stop being so needy. It's not their club, it's owned by a family from the middle east. Worse case scenario isn't here yet, enjoy the ride until they screw the lid down. I sent an email to Wael, he is my bestest friend in the whole wide world.....
Dear Wael,
Sorry, but enough is enough. I can take plastic stands, selling our best players and low quality football. What I can't stand is that pasties and tea are both better and cheaper across the river. WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MY CLUB, HOW DO YOU INTEND TO REMEDY THIS ? Yours, needy and seemingly puerile.
Carl from BS20.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 2, 2018 11:25:10 GMT
"The debt secured against the mem is no different to a standard Mortgage transaction so the risk is absolutely no different now to what it was previously" We've never had a mortgage exceeding 50% of the Mem value let alone 100%! If the ALQ's ever decided to quit the debt is now totally unmanageable and there seems no obvious plan to reduce the debts. Didn't we have 8M debt under Higgs and another 1.3M on the Wonga loan?
City have had about 70M worth of 'unmanageable' debts. SL just swaps it for equity in the club (when there's value), or writes it off. Lots of clubs do that. No? Wael bought the club for £6m/£6.5m so that must have cleared all the directors loans etc. City are irrelevant as SL /JL are never going to leave them in the lurch, as far as I'm aware the ALQ's have written off one penny they've given the club so that's equally irrelavvant.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 2, 2018 11:29:37 GMT
Didn't we have 8M debt under Higgs and another 1.3M on the Wonga loan?
City have had about 70M worth of 'unmanageable' debts. SL just swaps it for equity in the club (when there's value), or writes it off. Lots of clubs do that. No? Wael bought the club for £6m/£6.5m so that must have cleared all the directors loans etc. City are irrelevant as SL /JL are never going to leave them in the lurch, as far as I'm aware the ALQ's have written off one penny they've given the club so that's equally irrelavvant. To be fair, you're just guessing, aren't you? (I was!) I was using that as an example. What you call unmanageable, can be easily managed. There's no point writing it off until you need to write it off.
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Post by CheshireGas on Aug 2, 2018 12:15:49 GMT
Good that our supporters trust the City82ers more than they do our own owners. Too many people talking crap about something they know nothing about because its the holiday season. I wouldn't blame Wael & Co if they did sell up and bugger off to be honest. The loyal supporters who saw us through the Conference period and back to League One seem to have disappeared and been replaced by a plethora of moaning whinging plastic supporters who would be better in place at Ashton than singing Irene at the Mem. We are Rovers supporters, we're faithful and true, we'll always follow the boys in blue.....really?? I hope DC and Co don't read this column, I expect they would wonder why they bother.... Wow where have I said I trust the 82ers. I asked a simple question about debt v assets and I'm told to bugger off down Ashton. Been supporting the gas since 1976 and living now in france that now makes me a plastic fan...unbelievable Why then quote 82ers about asset stripping then if you don't mean that the current Board are asset stripping..... And if you have been a fan since 1976 you will be fully aware of those Board members over the years who have invested little and gained much from being involved with the Gas. Nothing has been invested in the Mem for years and yet when people come along and start to tidy it up (having said this is NOT the major development) to make it a better experience for fans they are accused of 'asset stripping' and doing sweet Fanny Adams like the OP does. The new CEO has stated that they are looking at all potential opportunities and a new ground has not been discounted nor has a full development of the Mem. As for others moaning about the training ground you will obviously be aware of the debacle around Hambrook then.... I didn't say you were a plastic fan or should go to Ashton (you see what you want to see) but many of the fans who were happy to cheer us in promotion are the same ones who are moaning because the Board haven't 'invested' the amount they feel they should. They sound just like the moaners down the road and their tax dodger has invested a small fortune.
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Post by lpgas on Aug 2, 2018 12:21:40 GMT
Oh good.... yet another board bashing thread serving what purpose exactly? I don’t get exactly what everyone’s big issue is?? What’s changed in the last 10 plus years?? We haven’t owned our own training ground in that time, we’ve never spent significant sums on players in that time and if anything historically we’ve been closer to administration and struggled financially more historically than we are now!? The only real change as I can see it is that we’ve had success on the pitch in recent years in a very short space of time, we now own land which we didn’t before which is earmarked for a training facility, were spending more on players now than we used to and we’re making improvements to the Mem to improve short term experience whilst full options are assessed on what is going to happen regarding stadium plans. In my eyes were in a better place than we were previously and were buying some time. The debt secured against the mem is no different to a standard Mortgage transaction so the risk is absolutely no different now to what it was previously - the bank could have foreclosed in the past if we couldn’t pay the bills and there was a big risk before of that as the previous board couldn’t sustain the levels of funding required. In the longer past prices went up and it was only due to recent poor pitch performance that meant the board froze prices to try and maintain footfall into the ground. The challenges against the infrastructure (support and office staff etc) is weak in my opinion because if you have ambitions of sustainability at a higher level you need those foundations in place. Like building a house, you never build it without foundations because if you did it would stand for a short period then collapse. Could communication be better? Possibly but it’s a double edged sword as us fans hang off of every word that is said and then if something doesn’t happen as exactly said, they get crucified for it even if it was said at the time based upon best known knowledge and with the right intentions. Personally I feel that some are getting carried away due to the on field success we had in that short period and are not affording the right respect and patience that is due to the current owners. FWIW I personally believe we’ll be signing 2 strikers and another LB before the transfer window closes. I think 1 striker will be perm and the other will be a long term loan and I think the LB will be a short term loan to cover THD getting back to full fitness. I also sincerely hope that those board bashers we have end up having to eat humble pie - they may not and it may be me but I don’t see what good this permanent bashing does? There was never any mention of the owners donating money into the club - in fact they have always talked about self sustainability and as they are bankers that is the natural business model to expect. If any of you were the owner would you happily write off £10’s of millions of pounds and watch your personal wealth erode away stopping you being able to pass that on to your family? Just cos Lansdown has done that in the past (he isn’t now as he has introduced salary caps etc and openly talked about the sh*t having to become more self sustaining) doesn’t me that everyone else should. Please can we stop this anti board rubbish? Every thread seems to now get twisted into something to knock the board and this knocking is unjustified in my eyes. Patience and respect are the 2 words I’d use that us fans need to have - especially with this summers recruitment in my eyes being decent and only the strikers being a weak area currently (which I think will be rectified in the coming days) I agree with this, but I think the main difference is the owners are foreigners and/or not gasheads. If we have a gashead owning us, then it's ok to be under-achieving and a bit crap, coz let's face it, that's almost our entire history. If we have a foreign/not-gashead owner then people (not unreasonably) wonder why did they buy us? It's not coz they're gasheads, so what's the reason? Obviously you are too young to remember that we were once a championship side, and that it was a Gashead owner who purchased the Mem for the club. Next?
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Post by peterparker on Aug 2, 2018 12:23:15 GMT
I agree with this, but I think the main difference is the owners are foreigners and/or not gasheads. If we have a gashead owning us, then it's ok to be under-achieving and a bit crap, coz let's face it, that's almost our entire history. If we have a foreign/not-gashead owner then people (not unreasonably) wonder why did they buy us? It's not coz they're gasheads, so what's the reason? Obviously you are too young to remember that we were once a championship side, and that it was a Gashead owner who purchased the Mem for the club. Next? well, with the help of other peoples money
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 2, 2018 12:25:06 GMT
No? Wael bought the club for £6m/£6.5m so that must have cleared all the directors loans etc. City are irrelevant as SL /JL are never going to leave them in the lurch, as far as I'm aware the ALQ's have written off one penny they've given the club so that's equally irrelavvant. To be fair, you're just guessing, aren't you? (I was!) I was using that as an example. What you call unmanageable, can be easily managed. There's no point writing it off until you need to write it off. No, that's the figure apparently quoted by Wael, the club debts have been increasing at £2m/£3m p.a. so if you turn the clock back a couple of years that supports that figure as well, basically the ALQ's have doubled the debts. If your comfortable with that so be it but I don't see what the end game is for the ALQ's if they continue to let debts spiral upwards beyond £20m.
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Post by lpgas on Aug 2, 2018 12:29:29 GMT
Couldn’t put it better myself. Just over two years ago Wael was being paraded by the supporters after our last day promotion. Improvements to the pitch, staff infrastructure, ground fail to satisfy the moaners, it just seems so blinkered to keep banging that negative drum.Perhaps the club could get some happy clappy juice to be served in the bar before kick off...at a premium price of course..😉 So when you came to renew your s/t or match ticket do you think a) we'll have a nice pitch and decent staff this season or b) we've a good squad of players who may be able challenge for a play off spot? I would have thought that a good squad would have contained at least 2 experienced strikers and 2 less so. I also would think that at least 2 of them could head the ball reasonably well. With 25 hours to go to our first game we have one untested at this level and another useless at this level. Top 6? Don't think so
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