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Post by stevek192 on Aug 6, 2018 8:42:48 GMT
gas1970, If we go down DC will not be a great Manager and will never Manage above League 1 unless he signs for a team BELOW us now and take them up. Bigger teams don't go for a Manager of a team who have been relegated unless they are a big name Charlie who does the rounds.
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Post by singupgas on Aug 6, 2018 8:48:57 GMT
Going loco with Amadou Bakayoko, Just don't stay too long We're going loco with Amadou Bakayoko... His magic is too strong
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 8:51:32 GMT
Trouble is we cant afford the obvious. Dont matter how much we hate that fact it is a fact. Season ticket prices are up, food and drink prices have risen and we have brought in circa 900k and only spent a small appearance based fee for a left back. Yes its frustrating. But we are losing money. Also free transfers are not really free are they? Like many league one clubs the manager has a modest budget and has to try and produce a decent team with it. Just like at plymouth,gillingham,rochdale,shrewsbury etc.
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Post by contradiction on Aug 6, 2018 8:54:22 GMT
On the saddlers forum they seem to be making the similar comments we were making about Ellis just a season or so a go. I.e he’s got the ability but not taking chances etc. From the clips I just watched on YouTube he looks to have the qualities we are currently missing and with any luck can spark a decent partnership with Nichols (or Reily). The difference is that the Walsall manager clearly agrees with the fans unlike DC last season! How come the Sadlers triggered a contract extension then?
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Post by contradiction on Aug 6, 2018 9:02:52 GMT
Season ticket prices are up, food and drink prices have risen and we have brought in circa 900k and only spent a small appearance based fee for a left back. Yes its frustrating. But we are losing money. Also free transfers are not really free are they? Like many league one clubs the manager has a modest budget and has to try and produce a decent team with it. Just like at plymouth,gillingham,rochdale,shrewsbury etc. Unfortunately, you are right there. People get confused with what investment in the team actually means. Nowadays, its a combination of transfer fees and wages. Bodin left for 400k, the re investment in the team was Mensah (80k/100k??) Bennett & Craig (wages & signing on fees etc). Don't get me wrong, I really wish we were going/able to spend 750k upfront, I just cant see it, not least because that kind of fee has a knock on demand in terms of wages, which breaks our structure, which cant happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 9:05:55 GMT
Season ticket prices are up, food and drink prices have risen and we have brought in circa 900k and only spent a small appearance based fee for a left back. You make it sound like a profit. We are much more than that in debt and we cannot just ignore that. There has to be a limit on how much we can spend and that figure has to take into account our losses. I was assured by some posters that everything was fine and that Hani was going to spend beyond the value of the mem (ie put his own money in unsecured). Perhaps this is a sign that he does want his money back after all.
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Post by spacegas on Aug 6, 2018 9:12:08 GMT
Most lower league clubs are surviving hand to mouth financially, I’d rather see some prudency with the Ellis money, sustainability and our long term survival is what all Gasheads would wish surely?. I’m sure that DC and his merry band can work magic with AB and whoever else they may be looking at .I for one will be cheering my little head off if AB steps out in the quarters or anyone else we sign for that matter...UTG
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Post by contradiction on Aug 6, 2018 9:15:08 GMT
I think its just part of being a lower league club with a sh*ite stadium, and until we sort that out thats the way things will be.
Personally, I am more concerned with the Training Ground
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Post by ledburygas on Aug 6, 2018 9:37:54 GMT
As much as I like Wael and know how much he loves his football, it's not realistic to think that a group of people who have no connection to Rovers would really want to lose a load of money through us for a bit of fun. I'd suggest that when they bought the club, the plans for the new ground made us seem like a good investment and now maybe they're less sure. All assumptions, but I think they'll want to see us become profitable before investing a huge amount more. Hence the changes in staff, advertising pricing, food and drink pricing etc etc. I'm happy with the idea of slow and steady progress, making Rovers a stronger club in the future. It takes a lot of patience though.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Aug 6, 2018 9:39:26 GMT
You make it sound like a profit. We are much more than that in debt and we cannot just ignore that. There has to be a limit on how much we can spend and that figure has to take into account our losses. I was assured by some posters that everything was fine and that Hani was going to spend beyond the value of the mem (ie put his own money in unsecured). Perhaps this is a sign that he does want his money back after all. Are you surprised? Why would he launch money at a club he has no affiliation to and be happy to just write it off?
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Post by singupgas on Aug 6, 2018 9:51:24 GMT
As much as I like Wael and know how much he loves his football, it's not realistic to think that a group of people who have no connection to Rovers would really want to lose a load of money through us for a bit of fun. I'd suggest that when they bought the club, the plans for the new ground made us seem like a good investment and now maybe they're less sure. All assumptions, but I think they'll want to see us become profitable before investing a huge amount more. Hence the changes in staff, advertising pricing, food and drink pricing etc etc. I'm happy with the idea of slow and steady progress, making Rovers a stronger club in the future. It takes a lot of patience though. Alright Wael.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 9:51:41 GMT
gas1970, If we go down DC will not be a great Manager and will never Manage above League 1 unless he signs for a team BELOW us now and take them up. Bigger teams don't go for a Manager of a team who have been relegated unless they are a big name Charlie who does the rounds. I take your point re bigger teams nor going for him if we go down and tend.to agree with you there. To say he wouldn't be a great manager if we go down however is quite frankly nonsense. How many other Rovers managers have one promotion, never mind two on their CV?. Tann, Megson, Francis, Trollope. You can't tell me he's not up with them. He is already assured of being an all time great Rovers manager.
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Post by kampucheagas on Aug 6, 2018 9:58:59 GMT
Is this still the 'we are maybe close to signing someone perhaps this week if we're lucky so keep checking updates' thread or are we bored of that one yet?
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Post by saddlesore on Aug 6, 2018 9:59:59 GMT
Hi folks, Walsall fan here. Looks like you'll get Bakayoko if you agree personal terms.
Despite his scoring record and your negativity and our own fans negativity, there's definitely a player in Bakayoko, he just needs the right manager (and fans) to build him up.
We played a 4-5-1 in most of his games, which doesn't suit him in the slightest. Put him in a 4-4-2, or 2 up front at least and he'll be a good addition, and a different proposition and definitely someone with potential and physical attributes for a higher level.
He big and athletic, but unfortunately doesn't use his size well and needs someone to coach him how to hold defenders off when the ball is in the air.
If the ball his played to his feet. He'll hold it up and lay it off well. He scored some good goals out of nothing, but he does miss some sitters. He's one of those that is worse when he has time to think in front of goal.
A lot if impatient Walsall fans won't agree, but he's capable of scoring 15+ goals at this level in the right formation and the right players around him,and more importantly a positive manager who can get the best out of him. Championship clubs were monitoring when he started the seaosn well 2 years ago, and Walsall turned down a bid for him in January, which is why he's been offloaded now as he sulked through the second half of the season.
If you're not sure who he is, he's the player a large number of your fans gave 1970s style abuse to at the game at your place last year, some of who got ejected for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 10:22:20 GMT
Hi folks, Walsall fan here. Looks like you'll get Bakayoko if you agree personal terms. Despite his scoring record and your negativity and our own fans negativity, there's definitely a player in Bakayoko, he just needs the right manager (and fans) to build him up. We played a 4-5-1 in most of his games, which doesn't suit him in the slightest. Put him in a 4-4-2, or 2 up front at least and he'll be a good addition, and a different proposition and definitely someone with potential and physical attributes for a higher level. He big and athletic, but unfortunately doesn't use his size well and needs someone to coach him how to hold defenders off when the ball is in the air. If the ball his played to his feet. He'll hold it up and lay it off well. He scored some good goals out of nothing, but he does miss some sitters. He's one of those that is worse when he has time to think in front of goal. A lot if impatient Walsall fans won't agree, but he's capable of scoring 15+ goals at this level in the right formation and the right players around him,and more importantly a positive manager who can get the best out of him. Championship clubs were monitoring when he started the seaosn well 2 years ago, and Walsall turned down a bid for him in January, which is why he's been offloaded now as he sulked through the second half of the season. If you're not sure who he is, he's the player a large number of your fans gave 1970s style abuse to at the game at your place last year, some of who got ejected for. Thanks for the info. You best join the Coventry forum now.
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Post by kampucheagas on Aug 6, 2018 10:22:26 GMT
Hi folks, Walsall fan here. Looks like you'll get Bakayoko if you agree personal terms. Despite his scoring record and your negativity and our own fans negativity, there's definitely a player in Bakayoko, he just needs the right manager (and fans) to build him up. We played a 4-5-1 in most of his games, which doesn't suit him in the slightest. Put him in a 4-4-2, or 2 up front at least and he'll be a good addition, and a different proposition and definitely someone with potential and physical attributes for a higher level. He big and athletic, but unfortunately doesn't use his size well and needs someone to coach him how to hold defenders off when the ball is in the air. If the ball his played to his feet. He'll hold it up and lay it off well. He scored some good goals out of nothing, but he does miss some sitters. He's one of those that is worse when he has time to think in front of goal. A lot if impatient Walsall fans won't agree, but he's capable of scoring 15+ goals at this level in the right formation and the right players around him,and more importantly a positive manager who can get the best out of him. Championship clubs were monitoring when he started the seaosn well 2 years ago, and Walsall turned down a bid for him in January, which is why he's been offloaded now as he sulked through the second half of the season. If you're not sure who he is, he's the player a large number of your fans gave 1970s style abuse to at the game at your place last year, some of who got ejected for. [br Ahhhh the real reason he's going to Coventry
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Post by saddlesore on Aug 6, 2018 10:27:19 GMT
So firstly, as a club, we have always found/produced good strikers. The last 4 years have been no exception to that. With the coaches we have at our disposal now we are able to take a player, work with and improve him (Nichols aside at the moment, but wiling to be proved wrong). Looking at the video, Baka is exactly the sort of player we need, strong, powerful, athletic and good with his feet. Watching the videos he is by no means the finished article, but 9 goals last year in a average/poor Walsall side isn't a bad return, with Stewy and co to help him then we could have another gem on our hands. I don't know the Walsall set up, but as a club they have underachieved for years in this league and have often been at the wrong end of it. Perhaps all those looking at his goal return may want to look at the club also. Have they? Never realised Walsall were such a big club? I would say they are about where they should be as a club (a lower half league one team) Underachieved? Our budget is constantly one of the lowest in the division (lower than many in L2 also) and, unlike most clubs chasing a dream, the board won't spend what they don't have. Any success is always centred around appointing a decent manager. We had our chance to progress under Dean Smith who upped and left for Brentford before the job was completed. When we didn't get promoted that year we were always going to lose our best players, like Shrewsbury have. There was a mass exodus and the last couple of years have been rebuilding, unfortunately under a clueless manager who has thankfully now gone. I'd take survival right now with some of the tat on contract from the previous regime. However Saturdays performance and the new signings give cause for slight hope, if we can bulk the squad up with players after Bakayoko's sale. We have definitely not underachieved though.
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Post by saddlesore on Aug 6, 2018 10:29:10 GMT
Hi folks, Walsall fan here. Looks like you'll get Bakayoko if you agree personal terms. Despite his scoring record and your negativity and our own fans negativity, there's definitely a player in Bakayoko, he just needs the right manager (and fans) to build him up. We played a 4-5-1 in most of his games, which doesn't suit him in the slightest. Put him in a 4-4-2, or 2 up front at least and he'll be a good addition, and a different proposition and definitely someone with potential and physical attributes for a higher level. He big and athletic, but unfortunately doesn't use his size well and needs someone to coach him how to hold defenders off when the ball is in the air. If the ball his played to his feet. He'll hold it up and lay it off well. He scored some good goals out of nothing, but he does miss some sitters. He's one of those that is worse when he has time to think in front of goal. A lot if impatient Walsall fans won't agree, but he's capable of scoring 15+ goals at this level in the right formation and the right players around him,and more importantly a positive manager who can get the best out of him. Championship clubs were monitoring when he started the seaosn well 2 years ago, and Walsall turned down a bid for him in January, which is why he's been offloaded now as he sulked through the second half of the season. If you're not sure who he is, he's the player a large number of your fans gave 1970s style abuse to at the game at your place last year, some of who got ejected for. [br Ahhhh the real reason he's going to Coventry No thanks. Vile specimens of fans. Seem to have forgotten to protest now they've had a bit of success. Think Bakayoko would be much better off under Clarke, but its all about money I guess.
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Post by buktaboy on Aug 6, 2018 11:25:49 GMT
Gazumped by Coventry then FFS. Wouldn't be surprised if this what the delayed medical was all about on Friday, he obviously got wind of it then.
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Post by rosssgb on Aug 6, 2018 11:40:06 GMT
I was assured by some posters that everything was fine and that Hani was going to spend beyond the value of the mem (ie put his own money in unsecured). Perhaps this is a sign that he does want his money back after all. Are you surprised? Why would he launch money at a club he has no affiliation to and be happy to just write it off? I’d argue what is the point them even buying us in the first place then? A football club with rampant debt, heading towards administration, sh** stadium, no training ground, no assets other than the Mem and still making a loss each season. They are smart people who would’ve weighed all this up before buying us, but literally what is the point if they aren’t going to invest? Hardly a great business decision. Surely for this evolution not revolution stuff to come to fruition there has to be off the field investment in terms of infrastructure (substantial investment, not licks of paint and moving the club shop, which are welcome but are not going to effect the long term ‘evolution’). Answers needed Thursday night. Hope Twentyman asks the hard hitting questions that are needed. Really feel for DC.
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