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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 20:07:41 GMT
I dont disagree with the point your making but i was wondering to myself if you would have bothered coming back on the forum if we won our 2 opening matches? I dont think you would have. It was nothing to do with whether we won or lost it was purely stating what anyone who is concerned about the club is thinking. Keep selling your best players and you will pay the price.everyone including the manager knew Brown was leaving way back in January and the chances of Harrison going got higher by the week and plans should have been made accordingly including offering Harrison an extension with the verbal agreement that if a sensible offer came in we would let him talk to the otheright club and by sensible I don't mean a buy out clause.a similar deal offered and accepted by lambert and agongoing. Not rocket science and would have meant we would have got a better deal. I have no desire to see rovers lose or get relegated but do not wear rose tinted glasses and realise things need sorting now and not wait till xmas. You do realise that all virtually all clubs in the world sell their best players dont you? So the only question is how you manage that reality,not some fairy tale rubbish about not selling your best players.
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Post by islandgas on Aug 17, 2018 20:11:51 GMT
It was nothing to do with whether we won or lost it was purely stating what anyone who is concerned about the club is thinking. Keep selling your best players and you will pay the price.everyone including the manager knew Brown was leaving way back in January and the chances of Harrison going got higher by the week and plans should have been made accordingly including offering Harrison an extension with the verbal agreement that if a sensible offer came in we would let him talk to the otheright club and by sensible I don't mean a buy out clause.a similar deal offered and accepted by lambert and agongoing. Not rocket science and would have meant we would have got a better deal. I have no desire to see rovers lose or get relegated but do not wear rose tinted glasses and realise things need sorting now and not wait till xmas. You do realise that all virtually all clubs in the world sell their best players dont you? So the only question is how you manage that reality,not some fairy tale rubbish about not selling your best players. Absolutely true, but the real issue is the amount made available for new players. If we are being run so well why is it so little is made available for new signings?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 20:25:19 GMT
You do realise that all virtually all clubs in the world sell their best players dont you? So the only question is how you manage that reality,not some fairy tale rubbish about not selling your best players. Absolutely true, but the real issue is the amount made available for new players. If we are being run so well why is it so little is made available for new signings? The fault lies more in the fee we got for ellis imo. Had we got his worth in an inflated market then we could have spent more. The story goes that ipswich are paying the money over a longish period which if true does not help much. Not sure what percentage southampton have spent on their massive sales in recent times or how much peterbro spent on the £3m + they got for jack marriott? Have cheltenham spent £1m on players to replace mo eisa?
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Post by Squiffy on Aug 17, 2018 21:07:04 GMT
I said in the summer we could do with a better option at right back. I'm not convinced by either Partington, Leadbitter or James Clarke. We should have not renewed Leads deal, good pace going forward but not the best defensively, Parts better option defensively. Dennis looks a good left back but how long is he out for, Scott Golbourne must be worth a trial, as he is a free agent. Just been reading Metro on the way home and it seems that Yaya Toure is still a free agent and Pellegrini isn’t interested in taking him to the Hammers. Could offer him a six month deal and free sausage rolls on his birthday! 😊
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Post by islandgas on Aug 17, 2018 21:57:11 GMT
Absolutely true, but the real issue is the amount made available for new players. If we are being run so well why is it so little is made available for new signings? The fault lies more in the fee we got for ellis imo. Had we got his worth in an inflated market then we could have spent more. The story goes that ipswich are paying the money over a longish period which if true does not help much. Not sure what percentage southampton have spent on their massive sales in recent times or how much peterbro spent on the £3m + they got for jack marriott? Have cheltenham spent £1m on players to replace mo eisa? Good point, but perhaps both points have weight? How equal 'tho?!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 10:59:35 GMT
It was nothing to do with whether we won or lost it was purely stating what anyone who is concerned about the club is thinking. Keep selling your best players and you will pay the price.everyone including the manager knew Brown was leaving way back in January and the chances of Harrison going got higher by the week and plans should have been made accordingly including offering Harrison an extension with the verbal agreement that if a sensible offer came in we would let him talk to the otheright club and by sensible I don't mean a buy out clause.a similar deal offered and accepted by lambert and agongoing. Not rocket science and would have meant we would have got a better deal. I have no desire to see rovers lose or get relegated but do not wear rose tinted glasses and realise things need sorting now and not wait till xmas. You do realise that all virtually all clubs in the world sell their best players dont you? So the only question is how you manage that reality,not some fairy tale rubbish about not selling your best players. Where did I say we shouldn't sell just that if the club had more no us we would have been proactive regarding browns replacement which we still haven't got 7 months later and offered Ellis a deal like we did with lambert and agogo.by previous regimes to protect our most saleable asset and ensure we got a better price for him.I know Ellis would have signed under those terms he lives the club unlike bodin and Taylor. I don't think deal in fairy stories or bury my head in the sand I deal in realism answer although it is early days the season is looking like a long hard struggle for survival
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 18, 2018 11:49:25 GMT
You do realise that all virtually all clubs in the world sell their best players dont you? So the only question is how you manage that reality,not some fairy tale rubbish about not selling your best players. Where did I say we shouldn't sell just that if the club had more no us we would have been proactive regarding browns replacement which we still haven't got 7 months later and offered Ellis a deal like we did with lambert and agogo.by previous regimes to protect our most saleable asset and ensure we got a better price for him.I know Ellis would have signed under those terms he lives the club unlike bodin and Taylor. I don't think deal in fairy stories or bury my head in the sand I deal in realism answer although it is early days the season is looking like a long hard struggle for survival Harrison had at least a year to run on his contract, Accrington got far more for Jackson who had a similar length contract. I maybe wrong but if the ALQ's do want out, or at least are not that keen on spending more money on the club, perhaps they thought £750K was too good an offer to turn down, as far as paying it over installments I've no idea whether that's the norm or not but whether we're getting £250K p.a. or £750K in a lump sum doesn't really make much difference. We have got a replacement for Brown he just happens to be still out injured! I do wonder how keen Brown was to leave as like Harrison he seems to love the club, it therefore seems strange we never even seem to have had any contract talks with him. I wonder what the mood will be on here later if we lose today, which I fear we might.
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Post by baggins on Aug 18, 2018 12:15:20 GMT
Where did I say we shouldn't sell just that if the club had more no us we would have been proactive regarding browns replacement which we still haven't got 7 months later and offered Ellis a deal like we did with lambert and agogo.by previous regimes to protect our most saleable asset and ensure we got a better price for him.I know Ellis would have signed under those terms he lives the club unlike bodin and Taylor. I don't think deal in fairy stories or bury my head in the sand I deal in realism answer although it is early days the season is looking like a long hard struggle for survival Harrison had at least a year to run on his contract, Accrington got far more for Jackson who had a similar length contract. I maybe wrong but if the ALQ's do want out, or at least are not that keen on spending more money on the club, perhaps they thought £750K was too good an offer to turn down, as far as paying it over installments I've no idea whether that's the norm or not but whether we're getting £250K p.a. or £750K in a lump sum doesn't really make much difference. We have got a replacement for Brown he just happens to be still out injured! I do wonder how keen Brown was to leave as like Harrison he seems to love the club, it therefore seems strange we never even seem to have had any contract talks with him. I wonder what the mood will be on here later if we lose today, which I fear we might. Browner was going to leave no matter what, as for Ellis, if it's true that £750k was on the table, then we gotta take it. Like it or not, we, like many others, are a selling club. You can get upset all you want about transfer money not being used to bring others in but that's not the way we do things. Always have.
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Post by islandgas on Aug 18, 2018 12:31:29 GMT
Harrison had at least a year to run on his contract, Accrington got far more for Jackson who had a similar length contract. I maybe wrong but if the ALQ's do want out, or at least are not that keen on spending more money on the club, perhaps they thought £750K was too good an offer to turn down, as far as paying it over installments I've no idea whether that's the norm or not but whether we're getting £250K p.a. or £750K in a lump sum doesn't really make much difference. We have got a replacement for Brown he just happens to be still out injured! I do wonder how keen Brown was to leave as like Harrison he seems to love the club, it therefore seems strange we never even seem to have had any contract talks with him. I wonder what the mood will be on here later if we lose today, which I fear we might. Browner was going to leave no matter what, as for Ellis, if it's true that £750k was on the table, then we gotta take it. Like it or not, we, like many others, are a selling club. You can get upset all you want about transfer money not being used to bring others in but that's not the way we do things. Always have. But aren't we being run more professionally now and spending within our means? If we get 750k for Harrison why isn't that available for new signings? Surely wages would be on a like for like basis with the new signing on v similar terms to Ellis? And just because it has always been that way doesn't mean it has to stay that way and if we don't break the mould how will we ever progress?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 12:34:43 GMT
Harrison had at least a year to run on his contract, Accrington got far more for Jackson who had a similar length contract. I maybe wrong but if the ALQ's do want out, or at least are not that keen on spending more money on the club, perhaps they thought £750K was too good an offer to turn down, as far as paying it over installments I've no idea whether that's the norm or not but whether we're getting £250K p.a. or £750K in a lump sum doesn't really make much difference. We have got a replacement for Brown he just happens to be still out injured! I do wonder how keen Brown was to leave as like Harrison he seems to love the club, it therefore seems strange we never even seem to have had any contract talks with him. I wonder what the mood will be on here later if we lose today, which I fear we might. Browner was going to leave no matter what, as for Ellis, if it's true that £750k was on the table, then we gotta take it. Like it or not, we, like many others, are a selling club. You can get upset all you want about transfer money not being used to bring others in but that's not the way we do things. Always have. You are completely missing the point Accrington sold a player with only a year on his contract for best part of 2m because the have a strong board and a shrewd manager whereas rovers have over the last few years become a soft touch.did you know Blackburn came in with a late bid but we're told no thanks. Unlike wallsall did to rovers. The club have got to become more savvy in transfer dealings. I am not disputing the fact we will always have to sell but for heavens sake let's get a decent price for our players
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 12:35:00 GMT
Harrison had at least a year to run on his contract, Accrington got far more for Jackson who had a similar length contract. I maybe wrong but if the ALQ's do want out, or at least are not that keen on spending more money on the club, perhaps they thought £750K was too good an offer to turn down, as far as paying it over installments I've no idea whether that's the norm or not but whether we're getting £250K p.a. or £750K in a lump sum doesn't really make much difference. We have got a replacement for Brown he just happens to be still out injured! I do wonder how keen Brown was to leave as like Harrison he seems to love the club, it therefore seems strange we never even seem to have had any contract talks with him. I wonder what the mood will be on here later if we lose today, which I fear we might. Browner was going to leave no matter what, as for Ellis, if it's true that £750k was on the table, then we gotta take it. Like it or not, we, like many others, are a selling club. You can get upset all you want about transfer money not being used to bring others in but that's not the way we do things. Always have. You are completely missing the point Accrington sold a player with only a year on his contract for best part of 2m because the have a strong board and a shrewd manager whereas rovers have over the last few years become a soft touch.did you know Blackburn came in with a late bid but we're told no thanks. Unlike wallsall did to rovers. The club have got to become more savvy in transfer dealings. I am not disputing the fact we will always have to sell but for heavens sake let's get a decent price for our players
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Post by mariobalotelli on Aug 18, 2018 12:38:04 GMT
Do people forget we can only sell players for what other clubs are prepared to pay?
It's all well holding out for 2M but if they don't want to spend 2M on him then we'll just lose them on a free when they run down their contract to go join a bigger club.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 12:46:27 GMT
Do people forget we can only sell players for what other clubs are prepared to pay? It's all well holding out for 2M but if they don't want to spend 2M on him then we'll just lose them on a free when they run down their contract to go join a bigger club. Or we can be like Accrington they knocked ipswich back 3 times until they got the deal they wanted they didn't grab at the first offer and close on 2m for a 2nd division player was a great deal unlike 750k for a 1st division player.which club got it right? Oh and by the way Accrington demanded the lot up front or no deal
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Post by mariobalotelli on Aug 18, 2018 12:54:26 GMT
Do people forget we can only sell players for what other clubs are prepared to pay? It's all well holding out for 2M but if they don't want to spend 2M on him then we'll just lose them on a free when they run down their contract to go join a bigger club. Or we can be like Accrington they knocked ipswich back 3 times until they got the deal they wanted they didn't grab at the first offer and close on 2m for a 2nd division player was a great deal unlike 750k for a 1st division player.which club got it right? Oh and by the way Accrington demanded the lot up front or no deal And who's to say Ipswich offered us 750K straight away? People are always quick to knock and judge how we handle it but are never present in the meetings so have no idea what happened. Ipswich also bought Accringtons player on the final day so there was no doubt a premium of which Ipswich were prepared to pay to secure their man. Ellis left with weeks of the window left.
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Post by baggins on Aug 18, 2018 12:56:20 GMT
Browner was going to leave no matter what, as for Ellis, if it's true that £750k was on the table, then we gotta take it. Like it or not, we, like many others, are a selling club. You can get upset all you want about transfer money not being used to bring others in but that's not the way we do things. Always have. But aren't we being run more professionally now and spending within our means? If we get 750k for Harrison why isn't that available for new signings? Surely wages would be on a like for like basis with the new signing on v similar terms to Ellis? And just because it has always been that way doesn't mean it has to stay that way and if we don't break the mould how will we ever progress? Because we're in debt.
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Post by baggins on Aug 18, 2018 12:57:36 GMT
Browner was going to leave no matter what, as for Ellis, if it's true that £750k was on the table, then we gotta take it. Like it or not, we, like many others, are a selling club. You can get upset all you want about transfer money not being used to bring others in but that's not the way we do things. Always have. You are completely missing the point Accrington sold a player with only a year on his contract for best part of 2m because the have a strong board and a shrewd manager whereas rovers have over the last few years become a soft touch.did you know Blackburn came in with a late bid but we're told no thanks. Unlike wallsall did to rovers. The club have got to become more savvy in transfer dealings. I am not disputing the fact we will always have to sell but for heavens sake let's get a decent price for our players Like paying £380k for Nichols?
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Post by baggins on Aug 18, 2018 12:59:51 GMT
Do people forget we can only sell players for what other clubs are prepared to pay? It's all well holding out for 2M but if they don't want to spend 2M on him then we'll just lose them on a free when they run down their contract to go join a bigger club. Or we can be like Accrington they knocked ipswich back 3 times until they got the deal they wanted they didn't grab at the first offer and close on 2m for a 2nd division player was a great deal unlike 750k for a 1st division player.which club got it right? Oh and by the way Accrington demanded the lot up front or no deal You got any idea whatsoever about the in's and out's of buying, selling players for a 1st Division Club?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 12:59:56 GMT
Or we can be like Accrington they knocked ipswich back 3 times until they got the deal they wanted they didn't grab at the first offer and close on 2m for a 2nd division player was a great deal unlike 750k for a 1st division player.which club got it right? Oh and by the way Accrington demanded the lot up front or no deal And who's to say Ipswich offered us 750K straight away? People are always quick to knock and judge how we handle it but are never present in the meetings so have no idea what happened. Ipswich also bought Accringtons player on the final day so there was no doubt a premium of which Ipswich were prepared to pay to secure their man. Ellis left with weeks of the window left. So if Accrington who survive on gates 75% of rovers can hold their nerve why can't rovers. If DC is tone be believed the first he heard of the Ipswich bid was 2 days before the transfer so either the club aren't telling the manager of bids the manager is not telling the truth or you are grasping at straws to defend the club. Another point that the club wanted the money was revealed by Ellis when he said ms persuaded him to sign for ipswich
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Post by baggins on Aug 18, 2018 13:02:42 GMT
And who's to say Ipswich offered us 750K straight away? People are always quick to knock and judge how we handle it but are never present in the meetings so have no idea what happened. Ipswich also bought Accringtons player on the final day so there was no doubt a premium of which Ipswich were prepared to pay to secure their man. Ellis left with weeks of the window left. So if Accrington who survive on gates 75% of rovers can hold their nerve why can't rovers. If DC is tone be believed the first he heard of the Ipswich bid was 2 days before the transfer so either the club aren't telling the manager of bids the manager is not telling the truth or you are grasping at straws to defend the club. Another point that the club wanted the money was revealed by Ellis when he said ms persuaded him to sign for ipswich An expert in Player dealings, right here.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Aug 18, 2018 13:03:21 GMT
And who's to say Ipswich offered us 750K straight away? People are always quick to knock and judge how we handle it but are never present in the meetings so have no idea what happened. Ipswich also bought Accringtons player on the final day so there was no doubt a premium of which Ipswich were prepared to pay to secure their man. Ellis left with weeks of the window left. So if Accrington who survive on gates 75% of rovers can hold their nerve why can't rovers. If DC is tone be believed the first he heard of the Ipswich bid was 2 days before the transfer so either the club aren't telling the manager of bids the manager is not telling the truth or you are grasping at straws to defend the club. Another point that the club wanted the money was revealed by Ellis when he said ms persuaded him to sign for ipswich How does Accringtons gates come into this? It was the last day of the window? Ipswich wanted him and Accrington told him that to get him or miss out they have to pay so much. Ipswich had literally zero time to move on to their next target if they even had one and so struck up the deal. With Ellis they would have been able to say thanks but no thanks, we value him at 750K and that's the most we're prepared to pay, and could have moved on to other targets because there was weeks of the window left. It's not grasping at straws it's just a bit of common sense. The club can't force another club to bid more than they want for a player. Accy also only got a fee in the region of £1M, not £2M as you suggest.
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