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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 15, 2018 6:47:09 GMT
...willl we have to watch the opposition score after easily beating Craig in the air before DC realises that Lockyer-Craig isn’t an effective partnership?
For me, they’re far too similar to play together. Both fairly short (for CBs), both slow, both have poor distribution, and both would be far better playing alongside a big, aggressive, dominant CB.
Apologies for having a moan after a win, but we conceded a tonne of headers last season because of this CB partnership and we’ve already conceded three in the first three games this season.
IMO this is going to hurt us time, and time, and time again until we drop one of them (Craig, for me) and start playing Broadbent/Rollin (when fit)/loan CB next to Lockyer as our first choice CB partnership.
Am I being too harsh?
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Post by casey12a on Aug 15, 2018 6:53:48 GMT
I agree it did look a very familiar goal against us again last night.
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Post by philbemmygas on Aug 15, 2018 6:56:19 GMT
...willl we have to watch the opposition score after easily beating Craig in the air before DC realises that Lockyer-Craig isn’t an effective partnership? For me, they’re far too similar to play together. Both fairly short (for CBs), both slow, both have poor distribution, and both would be far better playing alongside a big, aggressive, dominant CB. Apologies for having a moan after a win, but we conceded a tonne of headers last season because of this CB partnership and we’ve already conceded three in the first three games this season. IMO this is going to hurt us time, and time, and time again until we drop one of them (Craig, for me) and start playing Broadbent/Rollin (when fit)/loan CB next to Lockyer as our first choice CB partnership. Am I being too harsh? Possibly too harsh, at the moment Tom Broadbent is off form and hence DC reverted to his trusted pairing. In the main we dealt reasonably well with the limited threat Crawley posed, problems started when we flooded the midfield instead of putting a second forward on. Wins a win, in my book. - UTG
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 15, 2018 6:58:33 GMT
...willl we have to watch the opposition score after easily beating Craig in the air before DC realises that Lockyer-Craig isn’t an effective partnership? For me, they’re far too similar to play together. Both fairly short (for CBs), both slow, both have poor distribution, and both would be far better playing alongside a big, aggressive, dominant CB. Apologies for having a moan after a win, but we conceded a tonne of headers last season because of this CB partnership and we’ve already conceded three in the first three games this season. IMO this is going to hurt us time, and time, and time again until we drop one of them (Craig, for me) and start playing Broadbent/Rollin (when fit)/loan CB next to Lockyer as our first choice CB partnership. Am I being too harsh? No, I totally agree. I pointed this out nearly half a year ago now and they're still playing together. We need reinforcements.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Aug 15, 2018 7:03:47 GMT
Where’s Rollin?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 7:08:10 GMT
The header came from within the 6yd box. It was more of a floated cross, not driven hard. In that case I would expect the keeper to do more. Plus, there didn't seem to be much effort in stopping the cross coming in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 7:14:37 GMT
...willl we have to watch the opposition score after easily beating Craig in the air before DC realises that Lockyer-Craig isn’t an effective partnership? For me, they’re far too similar to play together. Both fairly short (for CBs), both slow, both have poor distribution, and both would be far better playing alongside a big, aggressive, dominant CB. Apologies for having a moan after a win, but we conceded a tonne of headers last season because of this CB partnership and we’ve already conceded three in the first three games this season. IMO this is going to hurt us time, and time, and time again until we drop one of them (Craig, for me) and start playing Broadbent/Rollin (when fit)/loan CB next to Lockyer as our first choice CB partnership. Am I being too harsh? It's an interesting one as both are quality defenders. You don't achieve what they have without being so. Not sure I agree that Lockyer is slow or that the 2nd Peterboro goal was down to lack of height (looked more like the striker getting ahead of Craig to me) and we also have to consider how we cut the supply of crosses. However, for all that I rate both players I do share your concern that just maybe they are too short together and that one or the other would benefit playing alongside a, dare I say it, Shaun Taylor type figure. That player isn't Broadbent though as for all his build, he wins less in the air than Craig does. For the moment though, Lockyer and Craig are undoubtedly the best partnership we have, although it would be desirable to look at how it could be strengthened in future windows.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 7:31:51 GMT
I think that he's still recovering from the injury picked up at the end of last season.
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Post by nsgas on Aug 15, 2018 7:32:53 GMT
While I agree that Craig got caught out, the blame for the goal has to be shared with the player who made the lazy non-attempt at stopping the cross.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 7:33:37 GMT
The header came from within the 6yd box. It was more of a floated cross, not driven hard. In that case I would expect the keeper to do more. Plus, there didn't seem to be much effort in stopping the cross coming in. The only solution is to sign a commanding CB and press the player crossing the ball which rarely happens. This has been like this now for the last 2 seasons I am starting to have my doubts about DC because we can all see the problems but he ain’t addressing them,we sign how many midfielders we got Upson,lines,Clarke,sercombe,Sinclair,Russe through the middle I’d swap 2 of those for a nasty CB,we also got Mathews,Rodman,bennett who play midfield. I like JC but he ain’t a league one player also I would say the same about DL,TL and TC are struggling together in the middle so a CB is most urgent otherwise goals galore against us. we don’t look like scoring much either we don’t get enough players in the box from open play,we lack movement throughout the team so come on DC you’ve showed us before with movement etc in our play let’s get back that way of playing instead of lumping it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 15, 2018 7:44:06 GMT
...willl we have to watch the opposition score after easily beating Craig in the air before DC realises that Lockyer-Craig isn’t an effective partnership? For me, they’re far too similar to play together. Both fairly short (for CBs), both slow, both have poor distribution, and both would be far better playing alongside a big, aggressive, dominant CB. Apologies for having a moan after a win, but we conceded a tonne of headers last season because of this CB partnership and we’ve already conceded three in the first three games this season. IMO this is going to hurt us time, and time, and time again until we drop one of them (Craig, for me) and start playing Broadbent/Rollin (when fit)/loan CB next to Lockyer as our first choice CB partnership. Am I being too harsh? Possibly too harsh, at the moment Tom Broadbent is off form and hence DC reverted to his trusted pairing. In the main we dealt reasonably well with the limited threat Crawley posed, problems started when we flooded the midfield instead of putting a second forward on. Wins a win, in my book. - UTG How's TB off form, he didn't seem to do a lot wrong on Saturday and he's still learning the game? But how can he build up any partnership with Locks & the goalie when he plays one game, sits out a couple before playing another, I don't see there was any need to drop him for TC last night, in fact at 34(?) you could argue it was TC needing the rest! Back to the OP it seems virtually every game our CB's cost us at least one goal, more against the better sides. if we cut those goals out we could well be a top 6 challenger, as it is mid table looks likely again this season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 7:51:43 GMT
Possibly too harsh, at the moment Tom Broadbent is off form and hence DC reverted to his trusted pairing. In the main we dealt reasonably well with the limited threat Crawley posed, problems started when we flooded the midfield instead of putting a second forward on. Wins a win, in my book. - UTG How's TB off form, he didn't seem to do a lot wrong on Saturday and he's still learning the game? But how can he build up any partnership with Locks & the goalie when he plays one game, sits out a couple before playing another, I don't see there was any need to drop him for TC last night, in fact at 34(?) you could argue it was TC needing the rest! Back to the OP it seems virtually every game our CB's cost us at least one goal, more against the better sides. if we cut those goals out we could well be a top 6 challenger, as it is mid table looks likely again this season. Can’t you see TB ain’t fit enough mentally and physically for regular league one football and never will be,some people just ain’t got that type of fitness required that’s why DC will use him as he sees fit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 8:14:49 GMT
Just watched the goal again, and it's basic stuff. Leadbitter (?) just doesn't close down the guy with the ball, who then had the time and space to make the cross. His positioning was also wrong as he should have been a yard to his left, meaning that the guy with the ball only had two options. Either pass back to one of his own players, or head back towards the corner flag.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 15, 2018 8:27:41 GMT
Been saying it for months. Craig is the weak link in that partnership. Even an off form Sweeney was better.
I’ve never know a centre back get turned, outjumped and mid control so many balls as Craig. Simply not good enough.
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Post by Baxtinho on Aug 15, 2018 8:28:01 GMT
How's TB off form, he didn't seem to do a lot wrong on Saturday and he's still learning the game? But how can he build up any partnership with Locks & the goalie when he plays one game, sits out a couple before playing another, I don't see there was any need to drop him for TC last night, in fact at 34(?) you could argue it was TC needing the rest! Back to the OP it seems virtually every game our CB's cost us at least one goal, more against the better sides. if we cut those goals out we could well be a top 6 challenger, as it is mid table looks likely again this season. Can’t you see TB ain’t fit enough mentally and physically for regular league one football and never will be,some people just ain’t got that type of fitness required that’s why DC will use him as he sees fit. He's not going to get any better by not playing by that logic.
I'd rather watch Broadbent than Craig meandering forward and aimlessly dinking balls to nobody in particular.
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Post by Baxtinho on Aug 15, 2018 8:30:18 GMT
Been saying it for months. Craig is the weak link in that partnership. Even an off form Sweeney was better. I’ve never know a centre back get turned, outjumped and mid control so many balls as Craig. Simply not good enough. Dead right. I don't get the love-in around him because he shouts and points during games. For some reason undroppable, too.
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Post by strads1983 on Aug 15, 2018 8:35:55 GMT
Craig is an excellent player, barks orders and his block before our second goal was brave and timed to perfection. Both him and Lockyer read the game better than any other lump of a centre back. They both try and anticipate the ball in but as posted by many sadly we are getting done by crosses and lack of height. Defending is a whole team issue not just the centre half’s. Again, sadly league 1 gks are playing league 1 because they just struggle to deal with crosses. Must stop the supply, but unless DC thinks Rollin is ready I really think we need a big lump on loan to mix things up.
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Post by Gassy on Aug 15, 2018 8:36:09 GMT
Tbh, I don't rate either of our 2 main CB's too highly.
I think TL is at best an average L1 defender with TC a lower L1/L2 defender.
Unfortunately they get caught not marking their players too much for me, I'd rather actually give TL & JC a go as CB pairing - JC often has a decent game in RB/LB so it would be worth seeing him play in his natural position for once
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 15, 2018 8:37:50 GMT
I said before I would have cashed in on Lockyer while his stock was high as I dont think he will play much for the international side again, and then build a new reliable defence with the money.
In the meantime Jimmy Dunne looks a good CB prospect, currently at Burnley (ex Man Utd academy) and available on loan.
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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 15, 2018 8:44:45 GMT
We definitely need a new dominant CB that can win the majority of his headers. I agree with other posters further up that Broadbent isn't the answer. Despite his build he doesn't actually win many more headers than Craig or Lockyer. Unfortunately the rest of Craig's game doesn't make up for the fact he is poor in the air. Maybe a few years ago but not now. He is slow both in a straight line and on the turn. Without a new CB and maybe a GK too we will concede a lot of goals this season.
Smith was shocking last night. Dropped nearly every cross or shot he went for and never left his goal line. Try to ship him out on loan because he's no where near good enough.
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