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Post by midlandgas213 on Sept 1, 2018 22:19:04 GMT
Great original post, but don't know what you mean about the bit I have highlighted above. It’s self explanatory really, just that. Nothing sinister but plenty still hold DC responsible 100% for the relegation to the conference and can’t wait for him to fail. I might hate DC but I have never held him responsible for the relegation we were relegated over a season not just a few games
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Post by paulpirate on Sept 1, 2018 22:27:45 GMT
Of his own success. Two promotions in quick succession, a top ten finish in his third season as a very young and inexperienced manager and the precedent was set for even higher expectations by the hard done by faithful. I understand the criticism of the quality of signings but surely the reason is down to what we offer in terms of wages and if players actually want to join Rovers. But what I can’t understand is the bitterness from some towards DC so soon after three quite brilliant seasons which turned this club right round. If this season goes tits up and the worse happens, relegation, we already have a man at the helm with the experience and credentials to get us back up again. No need for a sacking and a change in personnel. The man deserves our backing. He gave us back the Rovers we thought was lost. so your happy to take a step back again there is no gaurentee we’re go back up again,think people need to watch a game and wake up we are crap and can’t even do the simple things like pass a ball Dc has had all summer to sort this out,not enjoyable to watch and Dam expensive when you go to away games and they play like a Sunday league team I’m nearly on the midland gas bandwagon for sure,any other professional job two thirds of that team would be sacked
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 22:38:25 GMT
Of his own success. Two promotions in quick succession, a top ten finish in his third season as a very young and inexperienced manager and the precedent was set for even higher expectations by the hard done by faithful. I understand the criticism of the quality of signings but surely the reason is down to what we offer in terms of wages and if players actually want to join Rovers. But what I can’t understand is the bitterness from some towards DC so soon after three quite brilliant seasons which turned this club right round. If this season goes tits up and the worse happens, relegation, we already have a man at the helm with the experience and credentials to get us back up again. No need for a sacking and a change in personnel. The man deserves our backing. He gave us back the Rovers we thought was lost. so your happy to take a step back again there is no gaurentee we’re go back up again,think people need to watch a game and wake up we are crap and can’t even do the simple things like pass a ball Dc has had all summer to sort this out,not enjoyable to watch and f**king expensive when you go to away games and they play like a Sunday league team I’m nearly on the midland gas bandwagon for sure,any other professional job two thirds of that team would be sacked Who would be happy with relegation? I wouldn’t but that doesn’t mean a sacking would guarantee a better replacement. As said many times, if decent targets/players won’t come here for whatever reason then there isn’t a great deal left to sign. I won’t be panicking just yet, even less so after we beat Plymouth next Saturday. Grinding out a point with ten men today was a plus even if, like you said, the game wasn’t good.
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Post by paulpirate on Sept 1, 2018 22:49:13 GMT
so your happy to take a step back again there is no gaurentee we’re go back up again,think people need to watch a game and wake up we are crap and can’t even do the simple things like pass a ball Dc has had all summer to sort this out,not enjoyable to watch and f**king expensive when you go to away games and they play like a Sunday league team I’m nearly on the midland gas bandwagon for sure,any other professional job two thirds of that team would be sacked Who would be happy with relegation? I wouldn’t but that doesn’t mean a sacking would guarantee a better replacement. As said many times, if decent targets/players won’t come here for whatever reason then there isn’t a great deal left to sign. I won’t be panicking just yet, even less so after we beat Plymouth next Saturday. Grinding out a point with ten men today was a plus even if, like you said, the game wasn’t good. relegation isn’t a option if we’re meant to be moving forward,don’t give it the players won’t come bs it if we’re willing to pay I would swap Rodman and upson for 1 half decent player,the mighty Rochdale manage to get decent players in have a look We’re a joke,imo if we’re strugging after 10 games we need to find a replacement his interviews are getting tedious he been given a budget but employs crap
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 22:52:18 GMT
Of his own success. Two promotions in quick succession, a top ten finish in his third season as a very young and inexperienced manager and the precedent was set for even higher expectations by the hard done by faithful. I understand the criticism of the quality of signings but surely the reason is down to what we offer in terms of wages and if players actually want to join Rovers. But what I can’t understand is the bitterness from some towards DC so soon after three quite brilliant seasons which turned this club right round. If this season goes tits up and the worse happens, relegation, we already have a man at the helm with the experience and credentials to get us back up again. No need for a sacking and a change in personnel. The man deserves our backing. He gave us back the Rovers we thought was lost. We've never had money or infrastructure! I refuse to accept budget as the only reason for signing poor players and having an unbalanced squad not fit for purpose! plus I'm not willing to get relegated or even consider it and just keep the faith - I'd rather not get relegated in the first place! It's called ambition! Dont get me wrong I respect and like DC but all this happy flappy he got two promotions etc sh**e is winding me up now! I think even the biggest DC fans need to admit he has messed up! Can he turn it around? we don't know! (I hope so) The only time he's had to use players that weren't working well together and in bad form he couldn't stop us getting relegated! He's got good form when things are going well but let's see how he copes when they are not!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 22:54:16 GMT
Who would be happy with relegation? I wouldn’t but that doesn’t mean a sacking would guarantee a better replacement. As said many times, if decent targets/players won’t come here for whatever reason then there isn’t a great deal left to sign. I won’t be panicking just yet, even less so after we beat Plymouth next Saturday. Grinding out a point with ten men today was a plus even if, like you said, the game wasn’t good. relegation isn’t a option if we’re meant to be moving forward,don’t give it the players won’t come bs it if we’re willing to pay I would swap Rodman and upson for 1 half decent player,the mighty Rochdale manage to get decent players in have a look We’re a joke,imo if we’re strugging after 10 games we need to find a replacement his interviews are getting tedious he been given a budget but employs crap Obviously you are ITK regarding the decent wages offered to players so why won’t the decent players out there come to Rovers if ‘we pay the money ‘?
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Post by paulpirate on Sept 1, 2018 22:55:44 GMT
Of his own success. Two promotions in quick succession, a top ten finish in his third season as a very young and inexperienced manager and the precedent was set for even higher expectations by the hard done by faithful. I understand the criticism of the quality of signings but surely the reason is down to what we offer in terms of wages and if players actually want to join Rovers. But what I can’t understand is the bitterness from some towards DC so soon after three quite brilliant seasons which turned this club right round. If this season goes tits up and the worse happens, relegation, we already have a man at the helm with the experience and credentials to get us back up again. No need for a sacking and a change in personnel. The man deserves our backing. He gave us back the Rovers we thought was lost. We've never had money or infrastructure! I refuse to accept budget as the only reason for signing poor players and having an unbalanced squad not fit for purpose! plus I'm not willing to get relegated or even consider it and just keep the faith - I'd rather not get relegated in the first place! It's called ambition! Dont get me wrong I respect and like DC but all this happy flappy he got two promotions etc sh**e is winding me up now! I think even the biggest DC fans need to admit he has messed up! Can he turn it around? we don't know! (I hope so) The only time he's had to use players that weren't working well together and in bad form he couldn't stop us getting relegated! He's got good form when things are going well but let's see how he copes when they are not! well said,if he’s so good at his job he should be progressing not moaning all the time about crap Get on with it we’re not Man City
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Post by paulpirate on Sept 1, 2018 23:00:10 GMT
relegation isn’t a option if we’re meant to be moving forward,don’t give it the players won’t come bs it if we’re willing to pay I would swap Rodman and upson for 1 half decent player,the mighty Rochdale manage to get decent players in have a look We’re a joke,imo if we’re strugging after 10 games we need to find a replacement his interviews are getting tedious he been given a budget but employs crap Obviously you are ITK regarding the decent wages offered to players so why won’t the decent players out there come to Rovers if ‘we pay the money ‘? cause the sausage rolls have gone up,by the time dc gets round to doing anything they have gone to other clubs He’s getting a bit of a Jose attitude about him,every interview it’s some other crap,today it was building blocks mentioned 10 times Why can’t the building blocks be put in place before the f season starts
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 23:05:19 GMT
We've never had money or infrastructure! I refuse to accept budget as the only reason for signing poor players and having an unbalanced squad not fit for purpose! plus I'm not willing to get relegated or even consider it and just keep the faith - I'd rather not get relegated in the first place! It's called ambition! Dont get me wrong I respect and like DC but all this happy flappy he got two promotions etc sh**e is winding me up now! I think even the biggest DC fans need to admit he has messed up! Can he turn it around? we don't know! (I hope so) The only time he's had to use players that weren't working well together and in bad form he couldn't stop us getting relegated! He's got good form when things are going well but let's see how he copes when they are not! well said,if he’s so good at his job he should be progressing not moaning all the time about crap Get on with it we’re not Man City In the real world you can't live on past success - I may have got employee of the year 2 times in a row but if I stop doing my job well, moan about my employers, lack of a pay rise, change in bonus and targeting conditions, no new desk, no new computer, no new office, and churn out bad work then my boss is rightly going to say "wtf is going on" and "sort it out or you are out" not "oh he's been good in the past just let him get on with it, he will turn it around!" Ffs!
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Post by paulpirate on Sept 1, 2018 23:08:31 GMT
well said,if he’s so good at his job he should be progressing not moaning all the time about crap Get on with it we’re not Man City In the real world you can't live on past success - I may have got employee of the year 2 times in a row but if I stop doing my job well, moan about my employers, lack of a pay rise, change in bonus and targeting conditions, no new desk, no new computer, no new office, and churn out bad work then my boss is rightly going to say "wtf is going on" and "sort it out or you are out" not oh he's been good in the past just let him get on with it, he will turn it around! Ffs! keep saying that till the sh** hits the fan
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 0:03:49 GMT
I agree to some extent, but that doesn't mean he is immune from criticism. When you look at some of the signings in our division like Eunan O'Kane, Andre Green, Devante Cole, Josh Cullen, Zach Clough, Fred Onyedinma, Stuart O'Keefe, Jake Hesketh, Cauley Woodrow, Joe Mason, Cameron Borthwick-Jackson, Ricky Holmes, Sean Scannell, Dean Marney, Stuart O'Keefe etc, ours looks poor in comparison. Could we have used our budget more wisely? If we were looking for 'quality over quantity' then we did a poor job of it IMHO. However, he has had to sell his best players for the past three transfer windows and now we are told there are financial constraints. Personally I don't think he has been backed sufficiently in the market by the Al Qadis, regardless of how he has actually spent the budget and whether you think he had made good or bad signings. In regard to sufficient backing, what would that actually look like? A strike force costing upwards of 500k combined is a decent investment at this level, is it not?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 0:11:40 GMT
I agree to some extent, but that doesn't mean he is immune from criticism. When you look at some of the signings in our division like Eunan O'Kane, Andre Green, Devante Cole, Josh Cullen, Zach Clough, Fred Onyedinma, Stuart O'Keefe, Jake Hesketh, Cauley Woodrow, Joe Mason, Cameron Borthwick-Jackson, Ricky Holmes, Sean Scannell, Dean Marney, Stuart O'Keefe etc, ours looks poor in comparison. Could we have used our budget more wisely? If we were looking for 'quality over quantity' then we did a poor job of it IMHO. However, he has had to sell his best players for the past three transfer windows and now we are told there are financial constraints. Personally I don't think he has been backed sufficiently in the market by the Al Qadis, regardless of how he has actually spent the budget and whether you think he had made good or bad signings. To most of us thats just a meaningless list of names. What were their wages? Will they all be good signings? I dont know where your list all went to but i can clearly see some of them are outside of rovers wage structure. A disingenuous post by you in my view.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 0:14:07 GMT
I agree to some extent, but that doesn't mean he is immune from criticism. When you look at some of the signings in our division like Eunan O'Kane, Andre Green, Devante Cole, Josh Cullen, Zach Clough, Fred Onyedinma, Stuart O'Keefe, Jake Hesketh, Cauley Woodrow, Joe Mason, Cameron Borthwick-Jackson, Ricky Holmes, Sean Scannell, Dean Marney, Stuart O'Keefe etc, ours looks poor in comparison. Could we have used our budget more wisely? If we were looking for 'quality over quantity' then we did a poor job of it IMHO. However, he has had to sell his best players for the past three transfer windows and now we are told there are financial constraints. Personally I don't think he has been backed sufficiently in the market by the Al Qadis, regardless of how he has actually spent the budget and whether you think he had made good or bad signings. In regard to sufficient backing, what would that actually look like? A strike force costing upwards of 500k combined is a decent investment at this level, is it not? 500k to replace taylor,bodin and harrison who all played for us in our initial league one season. Your having a laugh are you not?
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Post by pirate on Sept 2, 2018 0:16:46 GMT
I agree to some extent, but that doesn't mean he is immune from criticism. When you look at some of the signings in our division like Eunan O'Kane, Andre Green, Devante Cole, Josh Cullen, Zach Clough, Fred Onyedinma, Stuart O'Keefe, Jake Hesketh, Cauley Woodrow, Joe Mason, Cameron Borthwick-Jackson, Ricky Holmes, Sean Scannell, Dean Marney, Stuart O'Keefe etc, ours looks poor in comparison. Could we have used our budget more wisely? If we were looking for 'quality over quantity' then we did a poor job of it IMHO. However, he has had to sell his best players for the past three transfer windows and now we are told there are financial constraints. Personally I don't think he has been backed sufficiently in the market by the Al Qadis, regardless of how he has actually spent the budget and whether you think he had made good or bad signings. In regard to sufficient backing, what would that actually look like? A strike force costing upwards of 500k combined is a decent investment at this level, is it not? It's enough to get better than what we have got, that's for sure. This summer we have sold close to £1 million and spent £200k on a striker and an "appearance-based transfer fee" for a left back and "it's only a small fee as well."
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Post by pirate on Sept 2, 2018 0:26:32 GMT
I agree to some extent, but that doesn't mean he is immune from criticism. When you look at some of the signings in our division like Eunan O'Kane, Andre Green, Devante Cole, Josh Cullen, Zach Clough, Fred Onyedinma, Stuart O'Keefe, Jake Hesketh, Cauley Woodrow, Joe Mason, Cameron Borthwick-Jackson, Ricky Holmes, Sean Scannell, Dean Marney, Stuart O'Keefe etc, ours looks poor in comparison. Could we have used our budget more wisely? If we were looking for 'quality over quantity' then we did a poor job of it IMHO. However, he has had to sell his best players for the past three transfer windows and now we are told there are financial constraints. Personally I don't think he has been backed sufficiently in the market by the Al Qadis, regardless of how he has actually spent the budget and whether you think he had made good or bad signings. To most of us thats just a meaningless list of names. What were their wages? Will they all be good signings? I dont know where your list all went to but i can clearly see some of them are outside of rovers wage structure. A disingenuous post by you in my view. O'Kane went to Luton, Cole to Burton, Clough to Rochdale, O'Keefe to Plymouth and Holmes to Oxford. If they can afford them I don't see why we can't.
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Post by socrates on Sept 2, 2018 0:31:08 GMT
Best post I’ve read in a while. 100% agree and other than what’s written on social media I don’t think DCs position is under any real threat Hes not under Much threat and I reckon 99% of our fan base are behind him and trust him to get it right over the course of the season. Why wouldn’t we ? His record speaks higher than any words on here. Footballers do their talking on the pitch and good managers do their talking through their players. We need to keep getting behind our team , supporting them and their manager and we’ll be fine. Beat Plymouth on Saturday and we’ll be up around mid table out of our bad run and players coming back from injury , things will look much better , get behind them suppport them to victory I’ll be there. Very early days , lots of new players in lost all our scorers over the last three windows it was never going to be easy , UTG
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 0:46:39 GMT
To most of us thats just a meaningless list of names. What were their wages? Will they all be good signings? I dont know where your list all went to but i can clearly see some of them are outside of rovers wage structure. A disingenuous post by you in my view. O'Kane went to Luton, Cole to Burton, Clough to Rochdale, O'Keefe to Plymouth and Holmes to Oxford. If they can afford them I don't see why we can't. Thanks,lets see how good they are over a season and compare them to our new boys later. You left out the ones we clearly couldnt sign on this post i noticed.
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Post by pirate on Sept 2, 2018 0:55:16 GMT
O'Kane went to Luton, Cole to Burton, Clough to Rochdale, O'Keefe to Plymouth and Holmes to Oxford. If they can afford them I don't see why we can't. Thanks,lets see how good they are over a season and compare them to our new boys later. You left out the ones we clearly couldnt sign on this post i noticed. A few of them might have been unrealistic, Andre Green Cauley Woodrow, Joe Mason and Sean Scannell went to bigger clubs, but who is to say the rest wouldn't have joined if we got in there early and made an offer?
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Post by socrates on Sept 2, 2018 1:02:23 GMT
Thanks,lets see how good they are over a season and compare them to our new boys later. You left out the ones we clearly couldnt sign on this post i noticed. A few of them might have been unrealistic, Andre Green Cauley Woodrow, Joe Mason and Sean Scannell went to bigger clubs, but who is to say the rest wouldn't have joined if we got in there early and made an offer? Hopefully our scouting team are on the ball and looking for players capable for signing over the next few weeks. Thing is if a player hasn’t got a contract by now then there’s probably / usually a good reason for that.
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Post by pirate on Sept 2, 2018 1:04:34 GMT
A few of them might have been unrealistic, Andre Green Cauley Woodrow, Joe Mason and Sean Scannell went to bigger clubs, but who is to say the rest wouldn't have joined if we got in there early and made an offer? Hopefully our scouting team are on the ball and looking for players capable for signing over the next few weeks. Thing is if a player hasn’t got a contract by now then there’s probably / usually a good reason for that. There are free agents that would inprove our team without doubt.
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