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Post by Centenary Gas on Sept 15, 2018 16:45:52 GMT
Don't think I've missed anyone... Ignore the fees in the sense that DC also received money from sales, but it does show how it has been squandered. Ian Atkins said 2/5 successful signings was a good return. In my eyes, our team is a fair bit worse than our promotion team, and it's getting worse.
Smith Slocombe Sercombe £150k? Craig Broadbent Upson Rodman Bennet Matthews Reilly Nichols £350k Payne £200k+ Mensah £100k Burn for a fee £ Hartley Moore Bob Harris
And then add season long loans of Telford/Bola/Sweeney/Roberts/Clarke-Salter/Luke James
I make that 2/17 (Sercombe, and maybe Matthews) that can be classed as a success, and half of them have been terrible. DC can talk about losing key players, but that happens to many clubs, and we are suffering from his recruitment to replace them. Now with a limited team, there is a scarcity about the tactics, a safety first (one up front, two defense players in central midfield with Sercombe out wide, blocking a wing etc). Recruitment was Trollopes downfall, I hope it isn't DC's but I can see it being the case if things don't pick up fast.
With previous DC teams I would always argue that relegation was never a worry, due to the team spirity/morale etc there will always be four worse teams. But the new signings, I'm not sure. If results continue, things with the crowd will turn toxic, will the players respond like Mansell/Brown etc did in the Conference, or will it go the way Trolls' players reacted in the final season (conceding 4-5-6 in games)
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Sept 15, 2018 16:48:01 GMT
Don't think I've missed anyone... Ignore the fees in the sense that DC also received money from sales, but it does show how it has been squandered. Ian Atkins said 2/5 successful signings was a good return. In my eyes, our team is a fair bit worse than our promotion team, and it's getting worse. Smith Slocombe Sercombe £150k? Craig Broadbent Upson Rodman Bennet Matthews Reilly Nichols £350k Payne £200k+ Mensah £100k Burn for a fee £ Hartley Moore Bob Harris And then add season long loans of Telford/Bola/Sweeney/Roberts/Clarke-Salter/Luke James I make that 2/17 (Sercombe, and maybe Matthews) that can be classed as a success, and half of them have been terrible. DC can talk about losing key players, but that happens to many clubs, and we are suffering from his recruitment to replace them. Now with a limited team, there is a scarcity about the tactics, a safety first (one up front, two defense players in central midfield with Sercombe out wide, blocking a wing etc). Recruitment was Trollopes downfall, I hope it isn't DC's but I can see it being the case if things don't pick up fast. Think Sweeney overall can be classed as a success.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Sept 15, 2018 16:49:12 GMT
Broadbent too can be classed as a success
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Sept 15, 2018 16:50:22 GMT
Think its way to early to label this seasons signings a failure.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Sept 15, 2018 16:50:24 GMT
But he's not here now... and got worse in his second season with us.
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Post by justin blue on Sept 15, 2018 16:51:36 GMT
The thing is when you are shopping in the bargain basement a lot of the stuff you buy doesn't work after a bit.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Sept 15, 2018 16:52:40 GMT
Broadbent too can be classed as a success I would put him in the OK, but if he was a success he certainly wouldn't be behind a Tom Lockyer who has never looked great or avoided mistakes since league two, and Tony Craig who always rates somewhere between 5-7/10 and is far too similar a partner to Locks.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Sept 15, 2018 16:52:43 GMT
But he's not here now... and got worse in his second season with us. Just because he isn't with us doesn't make him a failure. I did say overall he was a success
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 16:54:24 GMT
Whwre are the goals in those signings?!
Nichols was terrible but you also have to look at Bennet. People talk about how talented he is but how many goals and assists has he provided?
And how do we actually scout our players? How did we come to the conclusion that these were the right signings for our budget? It is all very well saying DC hasn't had the money but by all accounts Walsall were able to replace Bakayoko with a lad for 35k from Boreham Wood. Our equivalent is watering 80 odd k away on Mensah who is deemed so bad he can't get a game and eventually sent out on loan possibly never to return.
DC can complain about funds but he hasn't spent what he has received wisely when others have shown it's quite possible to operate at this level on a limited budget if you have a good knowledge of players.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Sept 15, 2018 16:55:17 GMT
The thing is when you are shopping in the bargain basement a lot of the stuff you buy doesn't work after a bit. So you think our wage bill is 2nd from bottom? Come on. Shrewsbury didn't spend a lot last year and were in the top 2 for most of it. Unrealistic to expect that of course, but we need a much better success rate than we've had. Don't forget also that DC wanted a development squad, more backroom staff... and got that. How many have come through that development squad? We have just loaned a left back from league two. Given how we have dropped since promotion I'm a bit suprised about the responses here, apologists almost for failure. I'm no DC hater, but some honest critisism is needed sometimes Our spine is a GK coming to us with horrific reviews from former clubs, Locks and Craig, and a striker who has scored 1 goal in about 50. We are in big trouble, and with every window it has got worse. Ellis was never a huge loss for us, not like a Taylor or 30 goal season was, but it definately seems that way given his replacements.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Sept 15, 2018 16:58:18 GMT
The thing is when you are shopping in the bargain basement a lot of the stuff you buy doesn't work after a bit. So you think our wage bill is 2nd from bottom? Come on. Shrewsbury didn't spend a lot last year and were in the top 2 for most of it. Unrealistic to expect that of course, but we need a much better success rate than we've had. Don't forget also that DC wanted a development squad, more backroom staff... and got that. How many have come through that development squad? We have just loaned a left back from league two. Given how we have dropped since promotion I'm a bit suprised about the responses here, apologists almost for failure. I'm no DC hater, but some honest critisism is needed sometimes Our spine is a GK coming to us with horrific reviews from former clubs, Locks and Craig, and a striker who has scored 1 goal in about 50. We are in big trouble, and with every window it has got worse. Ellis was never a huge loss for us, not like a Taylor or 30 goal season was, but it definately seems that way given his replacements. He didn't say our wage bill is 2nd from bottom
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Sept 15, 2018 17:02:15 GMT
The thing is when you are shopping in the bargain basement a lot of the stuff you buy doesn't work after a bit. So you think our wage bill is 2nd from bottom? Come on. Shrewsbury didn't spend a lot last year and were in the top 2 for most of it. Unrealistic to expect that of course, but we need a much better success rate than we've had. Don't forget also that DC wanted a development squad, more backroom staff... and got that. How many have come through that development squad? We have just loaned a left back from league two. Given how we have dropped since promotion I'm a bit suprised about the responses here, apologists almost for failure. I'm no DC hater, but some honest We sold Billy Bodin and brought in so called big name players is needed sometimes Our spine is a GK coming to us with horrific reviews from former clubs, Locks and Craig, and a striker who has scored 1 goal in about 50. We are in big trouble, and with every window it has got worse. Ellis was never a huge loss for us, not like a Taylor or 30 goal season was, but it definately seems that way given his replacements. "I'm a bit suprised about the responses here, apologists almost for failure." Oh ffs, don't put words into my posts, it makes you look desperate.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Sept 15, 2018 17:02:35 GMT
So you think our wage bill is 2nd from bottom? Come on. Shrewsbury didn't spend a lot last year and were in the top 2 for most of it. Unrealistic to expect that of course, but we need a much better success rate than we've had. Don't forget also that DC wanted a development squad, more backroom staff... and got that. How many have come through that development squad? We have just loaned a left back from league two. Given how we have dropped since promotion I'm a bit suprised about the responses here, apologists almost for failure. I'm no DC hater, but some honest critisism is needed sometimes Our spine is a GK coming to us with horrific reviews from former clubs, Locks and Craig, and a striker who has scored 1 goal in about 50. We are in big trouble, and with every window it has got worse. Ellis was never a huge loss for us, not like a Taylor or 30 goal season was, but it definately seems that way given his replacements. He didn't say our wage bill is 2nd from bottom Thats the only response? One of the players more was a success, or the wording in my reply? To rephrase, a lot of other teams have very little money and are doing better than we are. Do you agree our recruitment hasn't been good enough? Who's to blame for our current form. Is there even a problem?
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Sept 15, 2018 17:04:24 GMT
He didn't say our wage bill is 2nd from bottom Thats the only response? One of the players more was a success, or the wording in my reply? To rephrase, a lot of other teams have very little money and are doing better than we are. Do you agree our recruitment hasn't been good enough? Who's to blame for our current form. Is there even a problem? Yes, that's twice in 2 posts you have put words into different posters posts, it makes you look desperate.
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Post by irene on Sept 15, 2018 17:04:40 GMT
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Post by justin blue on Sept 15, 2018 17:06:13 GMT
The thing is when you are shopping in the bargain basement a lot of the stuff you buy doesn't work after a bit. So you think our wage bill is 2nd from bottom? Come on. Shrewsbury didn't spend a lot last year and were in the top 2 for most of it. Unrealistic to expect that of course, but we need a much better success rate than we've had. Don't forget also that DC wanted a development squad, more backroom staff... and got that. How many have come through that development squad? We have just loaned a left back from league two. Given how we have dropped since promotion I'm a bit suprised about the responses here, apologists almost for failure. I'm no DC hater, but some honest critisism is needed sometimes Our spine is a GK coming to us with horrific reviews from former clubs, Locks and Craig, and a striker who has scored 1 goal in about 50. We are in big trouble, and with every window it has got worse. Ellis was never a huge loss for us, not like a Taylor or 30 goal season was, but it definately seems that way given his replacements. No I think we are not spending enough to replace the players we have lost and improve the side.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Sept 15, 2018 17:06:33 GMT
Hes conveniently forgot about him, as he was a success
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Post by Centenary Gas on Sept 15, 2018 17:07:01 GMT
Included season long loans only, but we if want to include shorter term than you can also add Roos, Bagdaddy or whatever his name was etc etc. The GK spot has't been fixed since Mildy was dropped
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 17:11:27 GMT
The sad thing is that DC recognized that he needed to improve his recruitment and he did exactly what many of us were calling for and recruited a head of recruitment in Tommy Widdrington who from what I've read was highly rated at Coventry.
It's not worked for whatever reason.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 17:20:11 GMT
We don't have a bottom 4 budget but we are a bottom 4 team so either recruitment has gone wrong or there is something wrong in the camp.
We have lost quality but equally importantly we have lost the dressing room characters who would call-out under performing players. Always remember Mansell saying to Jake Gosling after the Wembley final 'that was a good game...shame you went missing for it...'.
All successful teams have a few leaders on the field and unfortunately at present we have none. That's in part down to recruitment.
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