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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Sept 15, 2018 19:50:10 GMT
The sad thing is that DC recognized that he needed to improve his recruitment and he did exactly what many of us were calling for and recruited a head of recruitment in Tommy Widdrington who from what I've read was highly rated at Coventry. It's not worked for whatever reason. I think judging a head of recruitment on one transfer window is akin to judging a manager on a few games. Let's see what he can turn up in January |
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Post by axegas on Sept 15, 2018 20:00:51 GMT
The sad thing is that DC recognized that he needed to improve his recruitment and he did exactly what many of us were calling for and recruited a head of recruitment in Tommy Widdrington who from what I've read was highly rated at Coventry. It's not worked for whatever reason. I think judging a head of recruitment on one transfer window is akin to judging a manager on a few games. Let's see what he can turn up in January Perhaps some of the signings have been on DC’s wishlist before we even appointed Widdrington. DC had been keen on Rodman for a while after impressing against us for Shrewsbury, Grimsby and Newport and Upson would be surely be known to us having played locally and with Tony Craig. Widdrington needs to judged after 2-3 windows, you wouldn’t judge a manager on their first game or a comedian on their first standup. |
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Post by axegas on Sept 15, 2018 20:33:35 GMT
DC’s recruitment this year has revolved around players that have already achieved success in their careers, maybe this is where we are going wrong. They’ve already achieved success in their careers and perhaps because of this some of the passion and desire for success is lost and we end up with players with their best years behind them.
Arguably our most underperforming players at the moment, Upson, Payne, Nichols, Rodman and Craig have had success very recently in their careers so this logic would certainly seem to fit. Compare this to players who have made or are making their name at Rovers, Matthews, Bodin, Taylor, Gaffney ect and you begin to see the difference. To refind the forward momentum of previous years and recapture the desire to play in the quarters of previous years a shift in recruitment policy might be required to find diamonds in the rough, players who have not yet unlocked their potential but will give it their all to create a career in this division, it is what we are best at doing.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 15, 2018 21:01:15 GMT
The sad thing is that DC recognized that he needed to improve his recruitment and he did exactly what many of us were calling for and recruited a head of recruitment in Tommy Widdrington who from what I've read was highly rated at Coventry. It's not worked for whatever reason. I think judging a head of recruitment on one transfer window is akin to judging a manager on a few games. Let's see what he can turn up in January The way things are going he won't make the second window! You can't really pin point one player and think he was brought in by TW, apart from his son(!) that is, in fact like Will Dubey you do start to wonder if he's still at the club as you never hear from him. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 21:05:57 GMT
The sad thing is that DC recognized that he needed to improve his recruitment and he did exactly what many of us were calling for and recruited a head of recruitment in Tommy Widdrington who from what I've read was highly rated at Coventry. It's not worked for whatever reason. I think judging a head of recruitment on one transfer window is akin to judging a manager on a few games. Let's see what he can turn up in January He would have had his list in place for Coventry which he would have brought with him so no excuses and also explains why both clubs were after Amadou Bakayoko. Personally after this start I'd be very careful about his recommendations. |
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Post by pirate on Sept 15, 2018 22:07:52 GMT
I think judging a head of recruitment on one transfer window is akin to judging a manager on a few games. Let's see what he can turn up in January He would have had his list in place for Coventry which he would have brought with him so no excuses and also explains why both clubs were after Amadou Bakayoko. Personally after this start I'd be very careful about his recommendations. You have to have confidence in your chief scout or you might as well let him go already. |
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Post by Somersetgas on Sept 15, 2018 22:52:37 GMT
Included season long loans only, but we if want to include shorter term than you can also add Roos, Bagdaddy or whatever his name was etc etc. The GK spot has't been fixed since Mildy was dropped Apart from Nigel Martin, Brian Parkin and Steve Phillips has the goalkeeper position ever been fixed in all those years? Apart from the occasional good loan keeper and far too many bad ones. I remember Gavin Kelly, awful, ! Scott Howie, awful! Kevin Miller awful and slow! Luke Daniels , horrendous, Rhys Evans, useless! Conrad Logan decent but had an error in him. |
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Post by Somersetgas on Sept 15, 2018 22:53:23 GMT
He would have had his list in place for Coventry which he would have brought with him so no excuses and also explains why both clubs were after Amadou Bakayoko. Personally after this start I'd be very careful about his recommendations. You have to have confidence in your chief scout or you might as well let him go already. What has Mr Widdtington brought in apart from his son? |
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Post by socrates on Sept 15, 2018 23:03:06 GMT
Don't think I've missed anyone... Ignore the fees in the sense that DC also received money from sales, but it does show how it has been squandered. Ian Atkins said 2/5 successful signings was a good return. In my eyes, our team is a fair bit worse than our promotion team, and it's getting worse. Smith Slocombe Sercombe £150k? Craig Broadbent Upson Rodman Bennet Matthews Reilly Nichols £350k Payne £200k+ Mensah £100k Burn for a fee £ Hartley Moore Bob Harris And then add season long loans of Telford/Bola/Sweeney/Roberts/Clarke-Salter/Luke James I make that 2/17 (Sercombe, and maybe Matthews) that can be classed as a success, and half of them have been terrible. DC can talk about losing key players, but that happens to many clubs, and we are suffering from his recruitment to replace them. Now with a limited team, there is a scarcity about the tactics, a safety first (one up front, two defense players in central midfield with Sercombe out wide, blocking a wing etc). Recruitment was Trollopes downfall, I hope it isn't DC's but I can see it being the case if things don't pick up fast. With previous DC teams I would always argue that relegation was never a worry, due to the team spirity/morale etc there will always be four worse teams. But the new signings, I'm not sure. If results continue, things with the crowd will turn toxic, will the players respond like Mansell/Brown etc did in the Conference, or will it go the way Trolls' players reacted in the final season (conceding 4-5-6 in games) How good the signings have been can be decided at the end of a season which is based on final league position surely? You can put that against budget compared to the other clubs in your division too to get an idea of how well your club has done ? How has DC done in his time with us ? Footballs a results business and yeah results have been sh**e this season with us losing by the odd goal mostly . I remember people saying DC is great in our league 2 season but his recruitment is his weak link , many even said it after we’d won promotion . Got to laugh at that. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 2:05:37 GMT
DC’s recruitment this year has revolved around players that have already achieved success in their careers, maybe this is where we are going wrong. They’ve already achieved success in their careers and perhaps because of this some of the passion and desire for success is lost and we end up with players with their best years behind them. Arguably our most underperforming players at the moment, Upson, Payne, Nichols, Rodman and Craig have had success very recently in their careers so this logic would certainly seem to fit. Compare this to players who have made or are making their name at Rovers, Matthews, Bodin, Taylor, Gaffney ect and you begin to see the difference. To refind the forward momentum of previous years and recapture the desire to play in the quarters of previous years a shift in recruitment policy might be required to find diamonds in the rough, players who have not yet unlocked their potential but will give it their all to create a career in this division, it is what we are best at doing. You mean like the guff DC came out with prior to the conference season and then went back on once he had arrived in league one? How many of those players you mention would get in our conference side? None, because their attitude is all wrong. Somewhere along the line DC stopped giving a sh** and started signing players in the same mould. No-one cares at Rovers, from the top down... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 2:07:06 GMT
Included season long loans only, but we if want to include shorter term than you can also add Roos, Bagdaddy or whatever his name was etc etc. The GK spot has't been fixed since Mildy was dropped Apart from Nigel Martin, Brian Parkin and Steve Phillips has the goalkeeper position ever been fixed in all those years? Apart from the occasional good loan keeper and far too many bad ones. I remember Gavin Kelly, awful, ! Scott Howie, awful! Kevin Miller awful and slow! Luke Daniels , horrendous, Rhys Evans, useless! Conrad Logan decent but had an error in him. Baywatch was alright... |
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Post by althepirate on Sept 16, 2018 5:27:20 GMT
DC’s recruitment this year has revolved around players that have already achieved success in their careers, maybe this is where we are going wrong. They’ve already achieved success in their careers and perhaps because of this some of the passion and desire for success is lost and we end up with players with their best years behind them. Arguably our most underperforming players at the moment, Upson, Payne, Nichols, Rodman and Craig have had success very recently in their careers so this logic would certainly seem to fit. Compare this to players who have made or are making their name at Rovers, Matthews, Bodin, Taylor, Gaffney ect and you begin to see the difference. To refind the forward momentum of previous years and recapture the desire to play in the quarters of previous years a shift in recruitment policy might be required to find diamonds in the rough, players who have not yet unlocked their potential but will give it their all to create a career in this division, it is what we are best at doing. Spot on. We've been here before I thought we had learnt our lesson. Last time it meant years of failure. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 7:19:31 GMT
I think judging a head of recruitment on one transfer window is akin to judging a manager on a few games. Let's see what he can turn up in January The way things are going he won't make the second window! You can't really pin point one player and think he was brought in by TW, apart from his son(!) that is, in fact like Will Dubey you do start to wonder if he's still at the club as you never hear from him. I don't think that fans usually hear from people in those positions at other clubs either, DC has mentioned them in interviews as they both report to him I presume. I'm surprised that we haven't heard anything from the new CEO, as I would expect that role to be more high profile. |
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Post by pirate on Sept 16, 2018 8:19:57 GMT
You have to have confidence in your chief scout or you might as well let him go already. What has Mr Widdtington brought in apart from his son? Not sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 14:46:39 GMT
What has Mr Widdtington brought in apart from his son? Not sure. Signing his son has not done much for his credibility imo, especially when you factor in this close season's transfer business has been the worst in an age. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 17, 2018 6:07:59 GMT
I think this summer's recruitment in particular is looking poor. Bar Matthews of course.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 17, 2018 6:12:58 GMT
DC’s recruitment this year has revolved around players that have already achieved success in their careers, maybe this is where we are going wrong. They’ve already achieved success in their careers and perhaps because of this some of the passion and desire for success is lost and we end up with players with their best years behind them. Arguably our most underperforming players at the moment, Upson, Payne, Nichols, Rodman and Craig have had success very recently in their careers so this logic would certainly seem to fit. Compare this to players who have made or are making their name at Rovers, Matthews, Bodin, Taylor, Gaffney ect and you begin to see the difference. To refind the forward momentum of previous years and recapture the desire to play in the quarters of previous years a shift in recruitment policy might be required to find diamonds in the rough, players who have not yet unlocked their potential but will give it their all to create a career in this division, it is what we are best at doing. I think that is a fair comment Axegas. I think DC is facing the similar problem to what Trollope faced of replacing experience and leadership. It's a hard balance to get right. I think we have signed the wrong sort of experience in Rodman and Upson. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 17, 2018 7:26:25 GMT
But Rodman seemed to tick all the right boxes, I can't understand how he's gone from a decent player to one who it sounds like doesn't even want to play. Meanwhile Moore's turned into Messi at Bury!
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 17, 2018 8:13:00 GMT
But Rodman seemed to tick all the right boxes, I can't understand how he's gone from a decent player to one who it sounds like doesn't even want to play. Meanwhile Moore's turned into Messi at Bury! Found his level. We'll have him back next season when we find ours  |
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Post by lpgas on Sept 17, 2018 10:19:18 GMT
Broadbent too can be classed as a success Yes a "Rarely played" success |
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