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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 17, 2018 6:06:22 GMT
The owners.
The uncertainty off the field. The lack of backing the manager when we had momentum. The signs were there pre season when DC went on the forum with Twentyman.
I do think our summer recruitment appears to be awful though. Upson looks worse than what we already had and Rodman doesn't appear to give a sh**. We've signed a left back that can't play due to injury and then spent a whole month without a left back before signing one on loan from a league 2 club (where they couldn't make the squad!). Reilly hasn't been given a chance yet, gut feeling early on is he might be a decent squad player but not have enough quality to be a real hit.
Matthews is the one shining light and breath of fresh air, and someone I really hope could light up our season. A lot of pressure on an inexperienced player's shoulders though. Him on the right with Bennett on the left and then Sercombe and Ollie Clarke in the middle? That could be a real good midfield when Sercs is back.
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Post by thegasman on Sept 17, 2018 6:23:26 GMT
When the players are approached to join BRFC, part of the "attraction" is being told that a new ground is on its way, that 1st class training facilities will be provided, that a huge fan base is right behind the club and their is a sucessful manager who is hungry for more sucess.
If I heard all that in my job interview and decided this was the firm I wanted to work for, only in very short order to find that most of it has been false promises, I would be pretty ticked off and therefor not be able to perform to my best.
So as per the vote above: Owners Players/Manager equally Fans
Nothing else.
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 17, 2018 6:55:16 GMT
I don't think DC is blameless - the constant team/tactics tinkering is a problem - but 100% the board are at fault IMO. Promises that haven't been kept, discontent and rumours about takeover and not to mention consistently selling our best players without adequately replacing them/putting the funds back into the playing budget is tragic.
I feel for DC. I think he's been poor so far this season and it almost, in some capacity, reminds me of Mourinho in his last year at Chelsea - constantly watered off and angry (who can blame him?) and almost trying to get pushed so he doesn't have to jump. But at the same time, what more can he do? How much further can he take us when we don't progress off the pitch and the rug is pulled from beneath him on it?
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Post by Icegas on Sept 17, 2018 6:55:28 GMT
Owners and players. The lack of clarity of the owners is effecting everyone and especially the players..a positive announcement would boost the team. But then they are paid professional, i would get sacked for performing this badly at my job. I agree. See when wael and co took over I never got caught up in the excitement and talk that we now had the 6th richest owners in the UK and were going to strom through the leagues etc... but after 2/3 years of being under there ownership I had hoped for alot more from them and that we would far more advanced then we are. I think they have put a better infrastructure in our club in places,but we should now be aleast be at the stage where the diggers are getting put onto a new sites - be it a new ground/training ground, or at the very,very least have new planes drawn up for both projects. I have now got to ask the why did they buy us in the first place if they cant progress us? At the moment they seem to be at the same level of ownership as Higgs and the Dunfords, and under the latter it took us out of the football league.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 17, 2018 7:27:13 GMT
Owners and players. The lack of clarity of the owners is effecting everyone and especially the players..a positive announcement would boost the team. But then they are paid professional, i would get sacked for performing this badly at my job. I agree. See when wael and co took over I never got caught up in the excitement and talk that we now had the 6th richest owners in the UK and were going to strom through the leagues etc... but after 2/3 years of being under there ownership I had hoped for alot more from them and that we would far more advanced then we are. I think they have put a better infrastructure in our club in places,but we should now be aleast be at the stage where the diggers are getting put onto a new sites - be it a new ground/training ground, or at the very,very least have new planes drawn up for both projects. I have now got to ask the why did they buy us in the first place if they cant progress us? At the moment they seem to be at the same level of ownership as Higgs and the Dunfords, and under the latter it took us out of the football league.Don't you mean former?
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Post by Strange Gas on Sept 17, 2018 7:54:55 GMT
In the absence of leadership from the board (whether that is Hani, Wael, Hamer or the absent CEO is a whole other debate) you'd expect somebody to take the lead here to steer the rudderless ship. Nobody, including from the football side of things, seems to be, and that is our issue. Could be DC and its disappointing he seems un interested and unable to fill that void. Maybe he is just tired of doing so, which will be hard to correct. I'm not a DC out person, but he does need to step up in my view, although seems to be content to just get on and do what he thinks he is paid to do. But its going through the motions and will inspire nobody to do their best. We need to find that drive from somewhere - other clubs have dealt with worse and found a way through it. I voted manager, not because I want him out but because I want him to lead us through this mess
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Post by Icegas on Sept 17, 2018 8:12:45 GMT
I agree. See when wael and co took over I never got caught up in the excitement and talk that we now had the 6th richest owners in the UK and were going to strom through the leagues etc... but after 2/3 years of being under there ownership I had hoped for alot more from them and that we would far more advanced then we are. I think they have put a better infrastructure in our club in places,but we should now be aleast be at the stage where the diggers are getting put onto a new sites - be it a new ground/training ground, or at the very,very least have new planes drawn up for both projects. I have now got to ask the why did they buy us in the first place if they cant progress us? At the moment they seem to be at the same level of ownership as the Dunfords,higgs and under the latter it took us out of the football league.Don't you mean former?
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Post by Icegas on Sept 17, 2018 8:13:12 GMT
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Post by Severncider on Sept 17, 2018 9:01:11 GMT
I asked the question a few months ago " who is in charge at BRFC" and was roundly slagged off by many.
I ask the question again, "who is in charge?" Is it Wael, the Chairman, the CEO or Tom Gorringe?
To be honest I have no idea who is charge of the aircraft, yet alone if the landing lights are still on.
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Post by singupgas on Sept 17, 2018 9:13:03 GMT
I asked the question a few months ago " who is in charge at BRFC" and was roundly slagged off by many. I ask the question again, "who is in charge?" Is it Wael, the Chairman, the CEO or Tom Gorringe? To be honest I have no idea who is charge of the aircraft, yet alone if the landing lights are still on. The lights are off and nobody is at home. Wael and Family is in charge. the other guys are on pay roll.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 17, 2018 9:15:03 GMT
I certainly think it’s fair to say that Darrells performance is affected by the false promises made to him but I don’t for a second believe that he wants to get pushed or lacks any interest at all. It’s plain to see the man cares and is determined to keep us in League One andbthen push us on. It appears the Al Qadis are making his job harder by giving him extra stuff to worry about. At least under the last lot we knew we were skint and that the stadium wasn’t coming.
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Post by Severncider on Sept 17, 2018 9:30:23 GMT
I asked the question a few months ago " who is in charge at BRFC" and was roundly slagged off by many. I ask the question again, "who is in charge?" Is it Wael, the Chairman, the CEO or Tom Gorringe? To be honest I have no idea who is charge of the aircraft, yet alone if the landing lights are still on. The lights are off and nobody is at home. Wael and Family is in charge. the other guys are on pay roll. Why do we need an owner, a Chairman and a CEO? We are not BP or Barclays or even Chelsea FC. The previous owners did not draw a salary, as far as I am aware. And, the expenses they claimed were far less than the current Board/Owners.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 9:49:13 GMT
The lights are off and nobody is at home. Wael and Family is in charge. the other guys are on pay roll. Why do we need an owner, a Chairman and a CEO? We are not BP or Barclays or even Chelsea FC. The previous owners did not draw a salary, as far as I am aware. And, the expenses they claimed were far less than the current Board/Owners. Do you have figures/data etc to back up your expenses statement? Or any evidence even?
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Post by lpgas on Sept 17, 2018 9:50:29 GMT
buck stops with the owners Buck stops with DC. Has a budget and spent it on rubbish. Look at the signings he has made. Did we need Upson? No, Did we need sulky Rodman? No. Did we need a full back that cannot get in to a Div 2 team? No. did we need to keep nichols? No We needed ONE decent left back, because we have decent kiddie coming in (Kelly) Did we need Rodman? No because he is no better than some of the players we already have. He says I'm looking for a defensive midfielder and then signs a winger. I also think the squad is too big, I cannot see why you need 24 players when a lot of clubs get by on 18. Smaller squads mean you can afford better players. How big was our squad in the Conference? DC has more coaches, more teams and more back up staff than any previous Rovers manager.He has wasted the budget. Lets face it he has brought in some shocking players. As for the club selling their best players, what can the club do? Harrison says "I've been offered a place at Ipswich on £XXk . I want to go". Rovers say no. Harrison doesn't want to play for us and hangs around and waits for his contract to end, then walks away for free. So that is a non argument for a starters, unless you think we can afford to pay £10 or 12 grand a week, to all of them, because once one has a pay rise they all want one.
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Post by lpgas on Sept 17, 2018 10:11:30 GMT
The owners. The uncertainty off the field. The lack of backing the manager when we had momentum. The signs were there pre season when DC went on the forum with Twentyman. I do think our summer recruitment appears to be awful though. Upson looks worse than what we already had and Rodman doesn't appear to give a sh**. We've signed a left back that can't play due to injury and then spent a whole month without a left back before signing one on loan from a league 2 club (where they couldn't make the squad!). Reilly hasn't been given a chance yet, gut feeling early on is he might be a decent squad player but not have enough quality to be a real hit. Matthews is the one shining light and breath of fresh air, and someone I really hope could light up our season. A lot of pressure on an inexperienced player's shoulders though. Him on the right with Bennett on the left and then Sercombe and Ollie Clarke in the middle? That could be a real good midfield when Sercs is back. I cannot believe that paying £355k for Nichols and then bringing in 3 players in January is a lack of backing. They were not to know DC had bought a pup, and to be honest if I was on the board spending MY money I would want to know from DC why he is buying players that are not performing and what he is going to do about it
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 17, 2018 10:34:25 GMT
The owners. The uncertainty off the field. The lack of backing the manager when we had momentum. The signs were there pre season when DC went on the forum with Twentyman. I do think our summer recruitment appears to be awful though. Upson looks worse than what we already had and Rodman doesn't appear to give a sh**. We've signed a left back that can't play due to injury and then spent a whole month without a left back before signing one on loan from a league 2 club (where they couldn't make the squad!). Reilly hasn't been given a chance yet, gut feeling early on is he might be a decent squad player but not have enough quality to be a real hit. Matthews is the one shining light and breath of fresh air, and someone I really hope could light up our season. A lot of pressure on an inexperienced player's shoulders though. Him on the right with Bennett on the left and then Sercombe and Ollie Clarke in the middle? That could be a real good midfield when Sercs is back. I cannot believe that paying £355k for Nichols and then bringing in 3 players in January is a lack of backing. They were not to know DC had bought a pup, and to be honest if I was on the board spending MY money I would want to know from DC why he is buying players that are not performing and what he is going to do about itIf I was DC I'd be saying to the board I helped to improve another player to end up making the club nearly a £1million (should have been more). Not to mention the £300k for Matty Taylor (cost nothing) and £400k for Billy Bodin (cost nothing). I think these players should all have gone for more than they did too which is not a fault of DC's.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 17, 2018 10:43:30 GMT
I cannot believe that paying £355k for Nichols and then bringing in 3 players in January is a lack of backing. They were not to know DC had bought a pup, and to be honest if I was on the board spending MY money I would want to know from DC why he is buying players that are not performing and what he is going to do about itIf I was DC I'd be saying to the board I helped to improve another player to end up making the club nearly a £1million (should have been more). Not to mention the £300k for Matty Taylor (cost nothing) and £400k for Billy Bodin (cost nothing). I think these players should all have gone for more than they did too which is not a fault of DC's. My response to him would be given BB only came with a recommendation from EH then turning one player you signed yourself into a decent one in 3 or 4 years is hardly a great record! Plus how do we know DC didn't advice NH/Wael to only give MT & BB short term contracts.
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Post by Severncider on Sept 17, 2018 10:51:13 GMT
Why do we need an owner, a Chairman and a CEO? We are not BP or Barclays or even Chelsea FC. The previous owners did not draw a salary, as far as I am aware. And, the expenses they claimed were far less than the current Board/Owners. Do you have figures/data etc to back up your expenses statement? Or any evidence even? I wouldn't say it if it was not true. London office, trips to Jordan for meetings etc
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 11:28:41 GMT
Do you have figures/data etc to back up your expenses statement? Or any evidence even? I wouldn't say it if it was not true. London office, trips to Jordan for meetings etc So no is your answer? Vague mention of trips to jordan is not evidence.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Sept 17, 2018 12:44:59 GMT
If I was DC I'd be saying to the board I helped to improve another player to end up making the club nearly a £1million (should have been more). Not to mention the £300k for Matty Taylor (cost nothing) and £400k for Billy Bodin (cost nothing). I think these players should all have gone for more than they did too which is not a fault of DC's. My response to him would be given BB only came with a recommendation from EH then turning one player you signed yourself into a decent one in 3 or 4 years is hardly a great record! Plus how do we know DC didn't advice NH/Wael to only give MT & BB short term contracts. Do you not understand how signing players work? DC will literally be gave an obscene amount of recommendations, from fans, players, staff, management, friends and so on. It's then up to DC to decide who he wants. DC doesn't have time to watch every player obviously he's going to sign players recommended to him? It's his judgement though that decided whether he wants the player or not so how is Bodin not a DC signing?
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