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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 21, 2019 17:55:52 GMT
My interpretation of what that phrase is trying to suggest is that if you sit back and are happy to accept mediocrity, then mediocrity becomes inevitable and you can't complain after the event because you sat and watched. Yeah, but it still doesn't bear examination even if you put it in more measured tones. Man City fans were no less accepting of their fate when we were playing them than we were. They didn't complain their way to where they are now, did they? They were fortunate enough that some business decided they were a sleeping giant with massive potential, and then they got a new stadium for a ridiculous cost, coz they were fortunate enough to live in a big city that hosted a games. Nothing to do with whining, again. It seems like it's just an empty way of blaming people who don't complain. The complainers get their cake and eat it. They get to complain, and they get to complain it's also the fault of those who aren't complaining.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 21, 2019 18:01:39 GMT
My interpretation of what that phrase is trying to suggest is that if you sit back and are happy to accept mediocrity, then mediocrity becomes inevitable and you can't complain after the event because you sat and watched. Yeah, but it still doesn't bear examination even if you put it in more measured tones. Man City fans were no less accepting of their fate when we were playing them than we were. They didn't complain their way to where they are now, did they? They were fortunate enough that some business decided they were a sleeping giant with massive potential, and then they got a new stadium for a ridiculous cost, coz they were fortunate enough to live in a big city that hosted a games. Nothing to do with whining, again. It seems like it's just an empty way of blaming people who don't complain. The complainers get their cake and eat it. They get to complain, and they get to complain it's also the fault of those who aren't complaining. It's not your fault no-one is blaming you for it. We are just expressing disagreement with your opinion (as you do with ours) and discontent with your attempts to silence dissenters, claiming it's pointless whining (so cool). I wish I was as content as you are with the way the club is being run. But I think in time you will change your mind.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 21, 2019 18:01:49 GMT
Yeah, but that's such a bullshit statement, isn't it? Seems like some of the other weird magical thinking that goes on in football. Really, City fans are more deserving of success than us, really? How is that? Man City fans were all shits and deserved nothing for thirty years, and now they're all brilliant and deserve massive success, suddenly. Really? What were Aston Villa fans doing right that they suddenly stopped doing? What the f**k have Stockport been up to? It's just empty rhetorical bollox that sounds reasonable, kinda, maybe, until you stop and think about it for more than say, what, a split second. In 2015 Stockport Council paid £2 million for Edgeley Park to save it from demolition for redevelopment and then leased the stadium back to Stockport County. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/edgeley-park-council-buy-ground-9521860A 5000 signature petition had been presented to the council urging them to do everything possible to ensure County remained at the ground. Would Rovers muster 5000 signatures in similar circumstances or is it more likely there would be a split in the fan base ? Some saying "No, the Al Qadi's own the ground and they should be allowed to do whatever they want with it even if it leaves us homeless" and others saying "No, the Mem is useless we want someone to provide us with a brand new state of the art stadium for free". I was simply asking what had they done wrong to deserve their massive fall (ie nothing), I wasn't suggesting they weren't decent fans.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 21, 2019 18:08:36 GMT
Yeah, but it still doesn't bear examination even if you put it in more measured tones. Man City fans were no less accepting of their fate when we were playing them than we were. They didn't complain their way to where they are now, did they? They were fortunate enough that some business decided they were a sleeping giant with massive potential, and then they got a new stadium for a ridiculous cost, coz they were fortunate enough to live in a big city that hosted a games. Nothing to do with whining, again. It seems like it's just an empty way of blaming people who don't complain. The complainers get their cake and eat it. They get to complain, and they get to complain it's also the fault of those who aren't complaining. It's not your fault no-one is blaming you for it. We are just expressing disagreement with your opinion (as you do with ours) and discontent with your attempts to silence dissenters, claiming it's pointless whining (so cool). I wish I was as content as you are with the way the club is being run. But I think in time you will change your mind. I'm not trying to silence anyone. But stuff should be up for discussion. If someone posts something that I feel doesn't stand up to scrutiny, it's perfectly reasonable to respond to it. I'm not particularly content in the way the club is being run, but when people blame those who aren't whining for our troubles, that triggers my bullshit alarm. Maybe we should have two forums, coz I think of forums as places to discuss stuff and debate, but often, istm, people just want to whine, they don't want a discussion, or a debate; they just want to whine, and someone to say, 'yeah, I know mate, sh** isn't it.' Like in real life.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 21, 2019 18:21:43 GMT
It's not your fault no-one is blaming you for it. We are just expressing disagreement with your opinion (as you do with ours) and discontent with your attempts to silence dissenters, claiming it's pointless whining (so cool). I wish I was as content as you are with the way the club is being run. But I think in time you will change your mind. I'm not trying to silence anyone. But stuff should be up for discussion. If someone posts something that I feel doesn't stand up to scrutiny, it's perfectly reasonable to respond to it. I'm not particularly content in the way the club is being run, but when people blame those who aren't whining for our troubles, that triggers my bullshit alarm. I think there's a difference between blaming those who are content (or at least not moaning) for the issue and resenting them for allowing any degradation in the club's standing to happen unchallenged, or at the very least, to happen in denial. Each to their own I suppose but as much as you continually suggest it is pointless to post whinging, I suggest that it is not. More and more people will realise that the writing is on the wall. As I said, I suspect you will all get there in the end, as much as you may wish to dismiss it in the meantime.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 21, 2019 18:24:14 GMT
It's not your fault no-one is blaming you for it. We are just expressing disagreement with your opinion (as you do with ours) and discontent with your attempts to silence dissenters, claiming it's pointless whining (so cool). I wish I was as content as you are with the way the club is being run. But I think in time you will change your mind. I'm not trying to silence anyone. But stuff should be up for discussion. If someone posts something that I feel doesn't stand up to scrutiny, it's perfectly reasonable to respond to it. I'm not particularly content in the way the club is being run, but when people blame those who aren't whining for our troubles, that triggers my bullshit alarm. Maybe we should have two forums, coz I think of forums as places to discuss stuff and debate, but often, istm, people just want to whine, they don't want a discussion, or a debate; they just want to whine, and someone to say, 'yeah, I know mate, sh** isn't it.' Like in real life. Truly a worthwhile edit. Predictably pretentious.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 21, 2019 18:29:29 GMT
I'm not trying to silence anyone. But stuff should be up for discussion. If someone posts something that I feel doesn't stand up to scrutiny, it's perfectly reasonable to respond to it. I'm not particularly content in the way the club is being run, but when people blame those who aren't whining for our troubles, that triggers my bullshit alarm. Maybe we should have two forums, coz I think of forums as places to discuss stuff and debate, but often, istm, people just want to whine, they don't want a discussion, or a debate; they just want to whine, and someone to say, 'yeah, I know mate, sh** isn't it.' Like in real life. Truly a worthwhile edit. Predictably pretentious. Ah well, if we're resorting to insults, again. I ignored your insults the other day, giving you the benefit of the doubt, but f**k it. Consider yourself insulted in a pretty cutting, but witty, manner.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 21, 2019 18:29:57 GMT
In 2015 Stockport Council paid £2 million for Edgeley Park to save it from demolition for redevelopment and then leased the stadium back to Stockport County. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/edgeley-park-council-buy-ground-9521860A 5000 signature petition had been presented to the council urging them to do everything possible to ensure County remained at the ground. Would Rovers muster 5000 signatures in similar circumstances or is it more likely there would be a split in the fan base ? Some saying "No, the Al Qadi's own the ground and they should be allowed to do whatever they want with it even if it leaves us homeless" and others saying "No, the Mem is useless we want someone to provide us with a brand new state of the art stadium for free". I was simply asking what had they done wrong to deserve their massive fall (ie nothing), I wasn't suggesting they weren't decent fans. And my comment about a split in the fanbase was tongue-in-cheek but there may be a grain of truth in it because the mindset of Gasheads is so hard to predict. I find it hard to understand how we could come up with a good positive open letter to the board, gain over 1000 signatures in support of it, arrange to meet the Chairman on Saturday to discuss it and then ....... Why has everyone chosen to forget about it so quickly ?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 21, 2019 18:32:03 GMT
Truly a worthwhile edit. Predictably pretentious. Ah well, if we're resorting to insults, again. I ignored your insults the other day, giving you the benefit of the doubt, but f**k it. Consider yourself insulted in a pretty cutting, but witty, manner. how very dare you. I don't remember insulting you, perhaps your posting style. If I did then obviously don't take it personally neither of us know each other as far as I am aware. I did find your edit pretentious though and so I said so.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 21, 2019 18:36:43 GMT
Ah well, if we're resorting to insults, again. I ignored your insults the other day, giving you the benefit of the doubt, but f**k it. Consider yourself insulted in a pretty cutting, but witty, manner. how very dare you. I don't remember insulting you, perhaps your posting style. If I did then obviously don't take it personally neither of us know each other as far as I am aware. I did find your edit pretentious though and so I said so. Not sure what's pretentious about it. I genuinely think some people want to register their thoughts, complaints, joy, opinion, hopes, fears, whatever, but aren't interested in having it scrutinised or having to justify it; that's not how they see the forum working for them.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 21, 2019 18:42:51 GMT
how very dare you. I don't remember insulting you, perhaps your posting style. If I did then obviously don't take it personally neither of us know each other as far as I am aware. I did find your edit pretentious though and so I said so. Not sure what's pretentious about it. I genuinely think some people want to register their thoughts, complaints, joy, opinion, hopes, fears, whatever, but aren't interested in having it scrutinised or having to justify it; that's now how they see the forum working for them. I think that trying to regulate what people can post on here would be an unpopular move (I'm not suggesting you are suggesting this but it does seem to be the logical conclusion to your issue). It seems to me that you should engage with those that will engage with you as we have done this evening and let the others lie.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 21, 2019 18:57:54 GMT
I was simply asking what had they done wrong to deserve their massive fall (ie nothing), I wasn't suggesting they weren't decent fans. And my comment about a split in the fanbase was tongue-in-cheek but there may be a grain of truth in it because the mindset of Gasheads is so hard to predict. I find it hard to understand how we could come up with a good positive open letter to the board, gain over 1000 signatures in support of it, arrange to meet the Chairman on Saturday to discuss it and then ....... Why has everyone chosen to forget about it so quickly ? Because it was to be taken to the Chairman. I said at the time I supported and signed the letter, but what's the point if it goes to Hamer?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 19:04:03 GMT
Henbury gas once said we were on the edge of greatness more bollox Maybe we were but the big metaphorical gearbox that is BRFC shifted into reverse instead of slipping the clutch in first and wheel spinning into the canyon of greatness.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 21, 2019 19:12:14 GMT
And my comment about a split in the fanbase was tongue-in-cheek but there may be a grain of truth in it because the mindset of Gasheads is so hard to predict. I find it hard to understand how we could come up with a good positive open letter to the board, gain over 1000 signatures in support of it, arrange to meet the Chairman on Saturday to discuss it and then ....... Why has everyone chosen to forget about it so quickly ? Because it was to be taken to the Chairman. I said at the time I supported and signed the letter, but what's the point if it goes to Hamer? Tommy made the effort to compose it, the forum had a six page thread discussing it and over 1000 of us took the trouble to log onto the website and sign it. Why not make sure we go the extra mile and insist it gets to the right person ? It seems obvious that the leaders of the club are just going through the motions but judging by the reaction to the open letter I am afraid the fan base are doing the same thing.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 21, 2019 19:15:44 GMT
Because it was to be taken to the Chairman. I said at the time I supported and signed the letter, but what's the point if it goes to Hamer? Tommy made the effort to compose it, the forum had a six page thread discussing it and over 1000 of us took the trouble to log onto the website and sign it. Why not make sure we go the extra mile and insist it gets to the right person ? It seems obvious that the leaders of the club are just going through the motions but judging by the reaction to the open letter I am afraid the fan base are doing the same thing. I agree. From memory I can't recall anyone else raising it on that thread. That letter should have gone to Wael or Hani. Tommy said he was taking it to Hamer. No one cared.
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Post by LJG on Jan 21, 2019 19:27:39 GMT
I was simply asking what had they done wrong to deserve their massive fall (ie nothing), I wasn't suggesting they weren't decent fans. And my comment about a split in the fanbase was tongue-in-cheek but there may be a grain of truth in it because the mindset of Gasheads is so hard to predict. I find it hard to understand how we could come up with a good positive open letter to the board, gain over 1000 signatures in support of it, arrange to meet the Chairman on Saturday to discuss it and then ....... Why has everyone chosen to forget about it so quickly ? Because it was poorly executed, badly written and narrowly publicised.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 21, 2019 19:33:50 GMT
And my comment about a split in the fanbase was tongue-in-cheek but there may be a grain of truth in it because the mindset of Gasheads is so hard to predict. I find it hard to understand how we could come up with a good positive open letter to the board, gain over 1000 signatures in support of it, arrange to meet the Chairman on Saturday to discuss it and then ....... Why has everyone chosen to forget about it so quickly ? Because it was poorly executed, badly written and narrowly publicised. Then why did over 1000 Gasheads sign it ?
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Post by LJG on Jan 21, 2019 19:44:10 GMT
Because it was poorly executed, badly written and narrowly publicised. Then why did over 1000 Gasheads sign it ? Isn't your point why didn't more than 1,000 sign it?
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Post by swissgas on Jan 21, 2019 19:53:21 GMT
Then why did over 1000 Gasheads sign it ? Isn't your point why didn't more than 1,000 sign it? No I'm wondering why two days have passed and no one on the forums has resurrected the thread or asked how the meeting with Steve Hamer went. Perhaps the response to the open letter has been discussed on facebook or twitter since Saturday ?
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Post by LJG on Jan 21, 2019 19:58:47 GMT
Isn't your point why didn't more than 1,000 sign it? No I'm wondering why two days have passed and no one on the forums has resurrected the thread or asked how the meeting with Steve Hamer went. Perhaps the response to the open letter has been discussed on facebook or twitter since Saturday ? You tell me. But you were talking about positive action by Stockport fans now you're talking about chatter in the echo-chamber of the forum, Facebook and Twitter. Which goes back to my original point that you and the chap who got the 1,000 signatures (of a semi-regular fanbase of ten times that and an extraordinary fanbase of 40 times that) need to know the difference.
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