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Post by nurseratched on Oct 8, 2014 9:52:18 GMT
Bottom line is to ban them. But I have to comment on one posting by Markash who starts to delve into history and is always a source of annoyance to me. The first slavers in reality were the black Africans themselves. They sold prisoners to our white slavers. So let's get history in context if you are going to quote it. But back to the point. We also have black players in our team, so why a couple of arseh*les should choose to generalise and racially abuse another black player is beyond me. That said, I felt the keeper started to overplay his hand. All he had to do was call the ref over tell him what had happened and let him deal with it. Why give the idiots the oxygen of publicity? I'm a Welshman, and you can't believe how many times that people have tried to use that against me. I treat it as a badge of honour. I'm proud of it and proud to be a Gashead. No way could anyone upset me with any insult, and I feel the keeper should treat being black as a badge of honour and not overplay it which I felt he did last night. This is a very good post and is EXACTLY how I feel! Our fans who are guilty are indeed stupid and embarrassing even more so because we had two black players playing ourselves. But like you say I do think the keeper overplayed it. Glad someone can speak their own mind rather than feeling the need to go along with what is politically correct.It has nothing to do with being politically correct! Racism never has! That is just a lame excuse to continue to hold ignorant and bigoted views. You are not helping the situation by even suggesting this. I know this will sound patronising, but go away and think about this a little harder. Put yourself in the keepers position with a baying tribal crowd behind him. Put yourself in the mind of our black players. Then think about what thoughts are going through the minds of the watching supporters who just happen to be black. Unfortunately we do have a racist element in varying degrees in society. This does NOT make it right. The keeper did not over play it. He was very brave to stand his ground and rightfully so. Long may this kind of attitude continue.
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Oct 8, 2014 9:53:51 GMT
Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 8, 2014 9:53:51 GMT
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Oct 8, 2014 10:02:06 GMT
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Oct 8, 2014 10:02:06 GMT
At least we've replied to the matter quickly. Reading the statement you'd think a large amount of the Blackthorn were involved even though it was literally just two complete w*nkers who MUST be banned for life.
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Post by Rod1883 on Oct 8, 2014 10:04:01 GMT
Yes, a good statement and hopefully the perpetrators will be found and dealt with. It still leaves the question of how to prevent it, or at least deal with it promptly and effectively, next time.
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Oct 8, 2014 10:05:19 GMT
Post by Rod1883 on Oct 8, 2014 10:05:19 GMT
At least we've replied to the matter quickly. Reading the statement you'd think a large amount of the Blackthorn were involved even though it was literally just two complete w*nkers who MUST be banned for life. Did anyone recognise them as regular supporters, or is there a chance they were there just to stir up trouble?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 10:15:30 GMT
I know what you're trying to say, do you have to make a distinction between certain types of abuse right? I think that's what you're saying why is one worse than another. That's purely academic though and relies on the complete removal of any kind of context which is centuries long. I also think you've argued it pretty poorly. Racial abuse offends me massively and I don't think anyone should just have to put up with publicly aired hate speech.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 10:26:10 GMT
Really embarressed by yesterday's incident and ggmis response to it. Its easy as a white guy to down play the impact iof racism but when you are abused because of your skin colour in your place of work its not only wrong its illegal. Why the steward kicked him out rather then handed him to the police is a matter for the club but didnt help.
I have always said the club should do more to tap into the huge diversity in Bristol as it is still largely a sport prodiminantly watched by whites. The clubs approach to tackling this issue and racism in general for as long as i remember is to get a black guy to rap on the pitch on kick out racism day but i hope this incident will lead to something more genuine and well thought out.
That aside i hear a lot leas racism down the Rovers then i did 5 or 10 years ago and for that and most of the comments on here im very relieved.
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Oct 8, 2014 10:56:37 GMT
Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 8, 2014 10:56:37 GMT
Ok, tell us all where you stand, we'll hurl abuse at you and see how you react - No reporting it though. Tw@t Completely agree but I think this idiot was happy to hurl racial and any other abuse at Chris Zebroski last season which was a total embarrassment.
Couple of pennies short of a pound and someone that should be weeded out of the club.
Which idiot? Hope you aren't accusing me?
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Post by joebananas67 on Oct 8, 2014 11:12:09 GMT
Completely agree but I think this idiot was happy to hurl racial and any other abuse at Chris Zebroski last season which was a total embarrassment.
Couple of pennies short of a pound and someone that should be weeded out of the club.
Which idiot? Hope you aren't accusing me? Did you hurl abuse - no idea.
Did you disagree with it - no.
Are you an idiot - yes
Are you a troll - yes.
Would most fans like me want you to have nothing to do with our club - absolutely.
Your posts with regards last night and Chris Zebroski make you as low as most people can get. To be frank I'd rather you went away and crawled back into the hole you have come out of.
Simple enough. People like you are a disgrace to this club and you can stick your political correctness where the sun don't shine.
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Oct 8, 2014 11:14:13 GMT
Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 8, 2014 11:14:13 GMT
Which idiot? Hope you aren't accusing me? Did you hurl abuse - no idea.
Did you disagree with it - no.
Are you an idiot - yes
Are you a troll - yes.
Would most fans like me want you to have nothing to do with our club - absolutely.
Your posts with regards last night and Chris Zebroski make you as low as most people can get. To be frank I'd rather you went away and crawled back into the hole you have come out of.
Simple enough. People like you are a disgrace to this club and you can stick your political correctness where the sun don't shine.
I did disagree with the disgusting chants at Zebroski thankyou very much!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 11:41:49 GMT
This is a very emotive subject. Please try to debate posts, not attack one another.
If you believe someone is an idiot or troll they are best blocked and ignored.
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 8, 2014 11:49:39 GMT
Did you hurl abuse - no idea.
Did you disagree with it - no.
Are you an idiot - yes
Are you a troll - yes.
Would most fans like me want you to have nothing to do with our club - absolutely.
Your posts with regards last night and Chris Zebroski make you as low as most people can get. To be frank I'd rather you went away and crawled back into the hole you have come out of.
Simple enough. People like you are a disgrace to this club and you can stick your political correctness where the sun don't shine.
I did disagree with the disgusting chants at Zebroski thankyou very much! I have already disagreed with GGMI on this thread, so my position is clear. I don' t know anything about Zebroski either, but as regards GGMI's views expressed here, they don't warrant such an extreme response IMO. He has made it clear that he is opposed to the behaviour of those thugs last night and has given a coherent reason. He doesn't see why racism should be held to be worse than other forms of abuse. I have disagreed, but it is a point. Football has seen manager's taunted over illness or bereavement, for example. These things are all unpleasant, but to say that GGMI is not wanted at the club, and to heap abuse on him, is going way too far, unless people know more than I do. He has a coherent opinion. It's different from mine and I think it's unhelpful, but that's all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 11:56:52 GMT
Now, on Saturday against Dover, there were two idiots standing in the same place, hurling abuse, spitting at the opposing keeper for the whole of the second half. What did the stewards do, nothing and they were stood right next to them, so the club are doing nothing to stop this? A game on and it's now racism, how can our fans act in such a barbaric manner. I did see one led out, so I presume he was arrested and he should be banned, we don't need this at our club. We will eventually get some sort of punishment if things like this carry on at home and away, points deduction or a fine. Let's not beat around the bush here. There is a large proportion of little Englanders on every terrace in every club. The majority of them talk in hushed tones, amongst themselves and others who still have colonial beliefs and who are EDL members and turn up to rallies etc. this is not a Rovers priblem but is a football problem by and large. It is part of a wider problem that takes in a multitude of things other than race such as rekigion and an intolerance to cultures other than their own. We had a very large NF following at Eastville and that followed us to Twerton. I was subject to an attack because of my background by so called friends. It's an insidious and vicious problem that needs to be tackled head on with an absolute zero tolerance policy implemented, not just talked about. I sometimes feel ashamed to be a part of the same species. I cannot verbalise or properly articulate how strongly I feel about this. GGMI, you really need to check yourself pal. There is inappropriate and then there is ordure of the highest order. You really should hang your head in shame mate. Sheesh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 12:08:40 GMT
I am actually stunned by this reaction of some people to this, being called tallshanks or a fat bastard (of which I am both being 6'5 and 18st and get called it regularly) is just not the same as being racially abused, or abused for your sexuality and how you cannot see that is just beyond me, it's not being PC or following the sheep as you put it, it's doing the right thing, in this day and age it's just plain ignorance or stupidity in my book. We all have different opinions. There is no right or wrong. Our opinions are just different. Let's not forget this bloke has broadcast it all over twitter as well. He has overplayed it. Maybe he will be the first of many who actually act and get this 5hit out and dealt with. Did Rosa Parkes overplay Her hand ? Ay gevalt !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 12:35:04 GMT
Those whining about "political correctness", congratulations, you are the boneheads that create the permissive atmosphere that means racism is still alive and kicking on the terraces.
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Oct 8, 2014 12:36:11 GMT
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 8, 2014 12:36:11 GMT
Now, on Saturday against Dover, there were two idiots standing in the same place, hurling abuse, spitting at the opposing keeper for the whole of the second half. What did the stewards do, nothing and they were stood right next to them, so the club are doing nothing to stop this? A game on and it's now racism, how can our fans act in such a barbaric manner. I did see one led out, so I presume he was arrested and he should be banned, we don't need this at our club. We will eventually get some sort of punishment if things like this carry on at home and away, points deduction or a fine. Let's not beat around the bush here. There is a large proportion of little Englanders on every terrace in every club. The majority of them talk in hushed tones, amongst themselves and others who still have colonial beliefs and who are EDL members and turn up to rallies etc. this is not a Rovers priblem but is a football problem by and large. It is part of a wider problem that takes in a multitude of things other than race such as rekigion and an intolerance to cultures other than their own. We had a very large NF following at Eastville and that followed us to Twerton. I was subject to an attack because of my background by so called friends. It's an insidious and vicious problem that needs to be tackled head on with an absolute zero tolerance policy implemented, not just talked about. I sometimes feel ashamed to be a part of the same species. I cannot verbalise or properly articulate how strongly I feel about this. GGMI, you really need to check yourself pal. There is inappropriate and then there is ordure of the highest order. You really should hang your head in shame mate. Sheesh. I'm not going to hang my head in shame just because my opinion differs to the majority. You could do with taking a leaf out of Mark's book who has writ tenhis piece very eloquently.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 12:43:40 GMT
This is a very emotive subject. Please try to debate posts, not attack one another. If you believe someone is an idiot or troll they are best blocked and ignored. Cheers. HTE In fairness Hugo, ggmi is defending people being able to speak their minds, he can't now hide behind modding in my opinion. He also regularly calls other posters deluded, clueless, tosser etc. He is an idiot and is rightly by the majority being outted for his pathetic views, if he's allowed to attack a mans behaviour for reporting racist abuse he deserves every thing coming to him. I seriously wonder if his posts in the recent Ellis Harrison thread have any relevance now. G79 may have had a point. He epitomises everything wrong in our society, he is trying to make the victim feel guilty. And as a club if we want to eradicate these vile individuals, well we have no chance as long as idiots like ggmi continue their invalid, out of touch, pathetic views. People like him are the reason we'll still have this problem at future games. The irony is he will be the first to cry bully if he runs his normal course. WE MUST GET RID OF A MINORITY WHO ARE BRINGING OUR CLUB DOWN FURTHER BY THE MONTH.
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Oct 8, 2014 12:53:07 GMT
Post by newmarketgas on Oct 8, 2014 12:53:07 GMT
Just a thought, before we string anyone up for this.............Everyone that was around the goal said the banter was good with the keeper for a lot of the game ? The guys name is Brown ? could this have been the same banter but miss heard ? Like "come on Browm you See you next tuesday get on with it"......... this could have been miss heard ? as "come on you b**** See you next tuesday get on with it" ? I am not saying this happened but it is possible ?
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Oct 8, 2014 12:57:09 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 12:57:09 GMT
Just a thought, before we string anyone up for this.............Everyone that was around the goal said the banter was good with the keeper for a lot of the game ? The guys name is Brown ? could this have been the same banter but miss heard ? Like "come on Browm you See you next tuesday get on with it"......... this could have been miss heard ? as "come on you b**** See you next tuesday get on with it" ? I am not saying this happened but it is possible ? I too was thinking this, but what's more likely is that his name probably 'inspired' the verbal stuff. I was pretty amazed he could pick up one individual insult to be honest, must have been bloody loud. Makes the stewards lack of action inexcusable.
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