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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 2, 2018 12:52:31 GMT
I wouldn't be unhappy with Holloway being brought in to help DC in some capacity, especially as it sounds like they know each other well. Holloway would certainly have more experience and contacts to draw from, but whether DC would appreciate 'help' being brought in is another thing.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 2, 2018 13:00:45 GMT
I wouldn't be unhappy with Holloway being brought in to help DC in some capacity, especially as it sounds like they know each other well. Holloway would certainly have more experience and contacts to draw from, but whether DC would appreciate 'help' being brought in is another thing. Yep. If Ollie ever gets involved with us again then it should be in this shape or form. Any other way would be a disaster. Can you imagine a DC/ Ollie/ Marcus dream team?!
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Post by gasbath on Nov 2, 2018 13:13:08 GMT
When you think we are paying big wages to a invisible CEO & A poor radio pundit that money could be better spent on Holloway with his experience/contacts/love for the club
in a upstairs position like trolls/Lawrence as I'm sure the problem lies in a lot of players do not want to come here for various reasons not just salary
I think Payne as we all think was not first choice so possibly 4th 5th or 6th choice. As we know Lyle Taylor was brandished about as first choice then the lad from Walsall another let alone the ones that didn't get into the public domain so surly someone with the contacts like Holloway would add a lot more benefit than the current invisibles
DC would still be manager with hopefully better players because you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear and at the moment I sense his frustration
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 2, 2018 13:14:03 GMT
" that at last we would be able to more than hold our own in the transfer market.
For whatever reason, it hasn’t happened"
I guess, conveniently, Ollie overlooked the ALQ's gave DC £580K/680K to buy Nichols. Mensah & Payne!!
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Nov 2, 2018 13:36:03 GMT
" that at last we would be able to more than hold our own in the transfer market. For whatever reason, it hasn’t happened" I guess, conveniently, Ollie overlooked the ALQ's gave DC £580K/680K to buy Nichols. Mensah & Payne!! This is an absolute pittance of an outlay when compared to both the money we have received in the same time frame and indeed compared to most other teams at this level. If you think the current board have backed DC in terms of transfer budgets then I am afraid you are very much mistaken. A simple comparison of transfer fees spent vs recouped over the last two years disproves this theory rather conclusively. Where DC has been backed in in allowing him to build up his backroom staff. DC is the first to acknowledge this and frequently does so in interviews etc.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 2, 2018 13:38:50 GMT
" that at last we would be able to more than hold our own in the transfer market. For whatever reason, it hasn’t happened" I guess, conveniently, Ollie overlooked the ALQ's gave DC £580K/680K to buy Nichols. Mensah & Payne!! So we sell our best players for around 1.5M give or take and then invest a third of it into the team? What would DC hace been allowed to spend if we hadn't sold players?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 2, 2018 14:32:49 GMT
" that at last we would be able to more than hold our own in the transfer market. For whatever reason, it hasn’t happened" I guess, conveniently, Ollie overlooked the ALQ's gave DC £580K/680K to buy Nichols. Mensah & Payne!! So we sell our best players for around 1.5M give or take and then invest a third of it into the team? What would DC hace been allowed to spend if we hadn't sold players? Posh are selling players for £10m but not passing all that on to the manager, that's the way lower league football works, Accrington sold two players for £2m but didn't spend a penny on transfers. There's no team outside the top 6 spending anything like £500K on just 3 strikers.
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Post by lpgas on Nov 2, 2018 14:49:42 GMT
He's just sitting in the wings waiting for the call to come and rescue us bloody hope not
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Post by lpgas on Nov 2, 2018 14:56:48 GMT
Back in the summer of 2000 when I was Rovers manager we sold Bobby Zamora, Jason Roberts and Jamie Cureton to Brighton, West Bromwich Albion and Reading respectively.
The Board thought the bottom was about to fall out of the transfer market, a view I didn’t agree with, and wanted to cash in while big fees were still being paid.
I have always blamed myself for Zamora leaving because I agreed to loan him to Brighton without first having got him to sign a new contract at Bristol Rovers.
He did so well there that a permanent move was always going to follow and we ended up getting peanuts for him.
I think his memory has gone a bit haywire.
Bobby Zamora on promotion to the first team squad asked for a pay rise, something along the lines of £30 a week. Holloway responded by saying "over my dead body" and said he could go if he didn't like it. Meanwhile he let Cureton go for £110,000, because he blamed Cureton for not getting him promotion. Cureton had won the golden boot 2 years running the year before. As for Roberts he wanted to go and play in a higher league and more money.
He talks bollox and now he is getting someone to write it down
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Post by pirate on Nov 2, 2018 15:41:57 GMT
I agree with Ollie regarding DC. The manager must be backed to bring in a couple of strikers in January.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 2, 2018 15:45:58 GMT
" that at last we would be able to more than hold our own in the transfer market. For whatever reason, it hasn’t happened" I guess, conveniently, Ollie overlooked the ALQ's gave DC £580K/680K to buy Nichols. Mensah & Payne!! And you have conveniently overlooked that they were effectively the replacements for Taylor, Bodin and Harrison, who went for a combined fee of around £1.5 million and who were worth a lot more than that. How is that ‘holding our own’ in the transfer market?
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Post by pirate on Nov 2, 2018 15:47:49 GMT
Back in the summer of 2000 when I was Rovers manager we sold Bobby Zamora, Jason Roberts and Jamie Cureton to Brighton, West Bromwich Albion and Reading respectively. The Board thought the bottom was about to fall out of the transfer market, a view I didn’t agree with, and wanted to cash in while big fees were still being paid. I have always blamed myself for Zamora leaving because I agreed to loan him to Brighton without first having got him to sign a new contract at Bristol Rovers. He did so well there that a permanent move was always going to follow and we ended up getting peanuts for him. I think his memory has gone a bit haywire. Bobby Zamora on promotion to the first team squad asked for a pay rise, something along the lines of £30 a week. Holloway responded by saying "over my dead body" and said he could go if he didn't like it. Meanwhile he let Cureton go for £110,000, because he blamed Cureton for not getting him promotion. Cureton had won the golden boot 2 years running the year before. As for Roberts he wanted to go and play in a higher league and more money. He talks bollox and now he is getting someone to write it down Cureton went for £200k. He played one game of the 00/01 season and then decided he wanted to leave. Ollie rated Zamora highly and gave him his first team debut at a time when we had the likes of Cureton, Roberts and Ellington at the club. The reason he let him leave was because he was out of contract the following summer and was asking for an amount of money which fell outside our existing wage structure. Zamora also wanted to leave because he felt he would get a better chance of first team football at Brighton, which was true when you consider the strikers we had at the time. The club ended up getting about £1million in total for Zamora from various add on clauses.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 15:49:27 GMT
I think his memory has gone a bit haywire. Bobby Zamora on promotion to the first team squad asked for a pay rise, something along the lines of £30 a week. Holloway responded by saying "over my dead body" and said he could go if he didn't like it. Meanwhile he let Cureton go for £110,000, because he blamed Cureton for not getting him promotion. Cureton had won the golden boot 2 years running the year before. As for Roberts he wanted to go and play in a higher league and more money. He talks bollox and now he is getting someone to write it down You didn't tell us you were Bobby Zamora's agent. I thought you were a teacher?
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Nov 2, 2018 17:12:54 GMT
Back in the summer of 2000 when I was Rovers manager we sold Bobby Zamora, Jason Roberts and Jamie Cureton to Brighton, West Bromwich Albion and Reading respectively. The Board thought the bottom was about to fall out of the transfer market, a view I didn’t agree with, and wanted to cash in while big fees were still being paid. I have always blamed myself for Zamora leaving because I agreed to loan him to Brighton without first having got him to sign a new contract at Bristol Rovers. He did so well there that a permanent move was always going to follow and we ended up getting peanuts for him. I think his memory has gone a bit haywire. Bobby Zamora on promotion to the first team squad asked for a pay rise, something along the lines of £30 a week. Holloway responded by saying "over my dead body" and said he could go if he didn't like it. Meanwhile he let Cureton go for £110,000, because he blamed Cureton for not getting him promotion. Cureton had won the golden boot 2 years running the year before. As for Roberts he wanted to go and play in a higher league and more money. He talks bollox and now he is getting someone to write it down Cureton went for £200k. He played one game of the 00/01 season and then decided he wanted to leave. Ollie rated Zamora highly and gave him his first team debut at a time when we had the likes of Cureton, Roberts and Ellington at the club. The reason he let him leave was because he was out of contract the following summer and was asking for an amount of money which fell outside our existing wage structure. Zamora also wanted to leave because he felt he would get a better chance of first team football at Brighton, which was true when you consider the strikers we had at the time. The club ended up getting about £1million in total for Zamora from various add on clauses. I am not actually certain that is the case is it? It has been a fair few years now since I read Ollie's autobiography I must admit, but it rings a bell that in said book he actually openly admits he didn't really see the potential with Bobby so much? Again, stand to be corrected here, but I am sure I recall him saying he did not envision Bobby reaching the same levels he saw of the three ahead of him at the time. Bobby would of course go on to match if not exceed the other three at the times achievements in the game. This is not a knock on Ollie at all, you certainly cannot get them all right! For ever Cristiano Ronaldo there is at least one Eric Djemba Djemba!
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Post by pirate on Nov 2, 2018 17:24:11 GMT
Cureton went for £200k. He played one game of the 00/01 season and then decided he wanted to leave. Ollie rated Zamora highly and gave him his first team debut at a time when we had the likes of Cureton, Roberts and Ellington at the club. The reason he let him leave was because he was out of contract the following summer and was asking for an amount of money which fell outside our existing wage structure. Zamora also wanted to leave because he felt he would get a better chance of first team football at Brighton, which was true when you consider the strikers we had at the time. The club ended up getting about £1million in total for Zamora from various add on clauses. I am not actually certain that is the case is it? It has been a fair few years now since I read Ollie's autobiography I must admit, but it rings a bell that in said book he actually openly admits he didn't really see the potential with Bobby so much? Again, stand to be corrected here, but I am sure I recall him saying he did not envision Bobby reaching the same levels he saw of the three ahead of him at the time. Bobby would of course go on to match if not exceed the other three at the times achievements in the game. This is not a knock on Ollie at all, you certainly cannot get them all right! For ever Cristiano Ronaldo there is at least one Eric Djemba Djemba! I haven't read the book in years, so you may be correct about that. But he must have rated him somewhat to give him his debut at 17/18 in League One with the talent we had in attack at that time, even if it was just a few sub apps. Zamora was a situation that could have been handled better and with hindsight a mistake from Ollie.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Nov 2, 2018 17:28:15 GMT
None this season and I won't whilst DC is still there you must have a very poor view of good times if you have seen many this season , perhaps you like watching crap football and loosing every week , but each to his own Well when you you get up in the morning and can stand upright and breath, thats a good day in my eyes and going to watch Bristol Rovers is a bonus, what ever sh** they provide If you only want to watch plastic glory football, i suggest you watch a plastic team like Man U or Man city to get your fix of a winning team Other than wolves or Spurs I don't watch any premier league plastic stuff as you say , but if you read other threads here that is what most want a nice new big plastic stadium instead of a rustic football ground and yes your first comment I am thankful for every morning I wake up
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Post by midlandgas213 on Nov 2, 2018 17:34:08 GMT
A few observations from what it is worth... 1) Not watching your team because you do not happen to like the manager is pathetic beyond belief and actually harming the club you claim to support. Quite frankly the club do not need fans like you anyway, so probably best for all you stay away. 2) Good read and whilst I agree there is nothing controversial there as perhaps we have come to expect from 'Ollie', it is none the less pretty much spot on. I believe the fee paid for Nichols was in the region of £250K, now whilst Tom to date has proved to be a disaster of a signing, £250k does not constitute a large investment by the club (and thus neither does it constitute a show of ambition either). I agree that we now need to go out and show some serious ambition and go after a Stockley type player who is proven at the level below at least. However, we needed to do that in the summer and ended up with Payne... So I don't hold my breath on that happening in Jan. 3) Irony is not lost on me that the very man some are saying should be our new manager is himself saying that we should in fact stick with our existing manager! Quite amusing really. Being a pensioner and living the other side of Shrewsbury on the Welsh border (English side) it costs me around £100 a match to go to the mem, with the crap they are playing at the moment I cannot justify spending that amount. if they were playing entertaining football win draw or loose I would be more inclined to make the effort and spend the money , but with DC in charge I can't see this happening any time soon. perhaps in years to come when you are in my position you may feel the same.
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Post by justin blue on Nov 2, 2018 18:56:04 GMT
A few observations from what it is worth... 1) Not watching your team because you do not happen to like the manager is pathetic beyond belief and actually harming the club you claim to support. Quite frankly the club do not need fans like you anyway, so probably best for all you stay away. Not sure who this is aimed at considering many on here have said previously that they would stay away if Holloway ever returned as manager.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 2, 2018 19:04:34 GMT
A few observations from what it is worth... 1) Not watching your team because you do not happen to like the manager is pathetic beyond belief and actually harming the club you claim to support. Quite frankly the club do not need fans like you anyway, so probably best for all you stay away. 2) Good read and whilst I agree there is nothing controversial there as perhaps we have come to expect from 'Ollie', it is none the less pretty much spot on. I believe the fee paid for Nichols was in the region of £250K, now whilst Tom to date has proved to be a disaster of a signing, £250k does not constitute a large investment by the club (and thus neither does it constitute a show of ambition either). I agree that we now need to go out and show some serious ambition and go after a Stockley type player who is proven at the level below at least. However, we needed to do that in the summer and ended up with Payne... So I don't hold my breath on that happening in Jan. 3) Irony is not lost on me that the very man some are saying should be our new manager is himself saying that we should in fact stick with our existing manager! Quite amusing really. Being a pensioner and living the other side of Shrewsbury on the Welsh border (English side) it costs me around £100 a match to go to the mem, with the crap they are playing at the moment I cannot justify spending that amount. if they were playing entertaining football win draw or loose I would be more inclined to make the effort and spend the money , but with DC in charge I can't see this happening any time soon. perhaps in years to come when you are in my position you may feel the same. Until this season Rovers have had the best home record in all 4 league divisions since we regained league status, you're talking b0ll0cks about entertainment the truth is you don't like DC and the chances are if he left you'd moan about is replacement to justify not watching Rovers as it sounds like it's probably an expense you can no longer afford. Any loyal Gashead will know we get about one exciting season in five, it's probably only Man C who can guarantee attacking football season after season.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 2, 2018 19:09:57 GMT
" that at last we would be able to more than hold our own in the transfer market. For whatever reason, it hasn’t happened" I guess, conveniently, Ollie overlooked the ALQ's gave DC £580K/680K to buy Nichols. Mensah & Payne!! And you have conveniently overlooked that they were effectively the replacements for Taylor, Bodin and Harrison, who went for a combined fee of around £1.5 million and who were worth a lot more than that. How is that ‘holding our own’ in the transfer market? Surely "holding our own" is competing with mid table Div 1 sides like Southend & Gillingham etc, who many of them spent even £100K on strikers? We could have signed Godden for around £400K and he's almost into double figures, Ollie and you are living in dream land if you think we're going to paying out £500K+ for a striker. As far as Cureton I think we all know why he left!
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