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Post by socrates on Nov 4, 2018 11:21:55 GMT
Based on signings made since our return to the league the last person we want to spend large sums of money were they to be invested is DC. He is not good at recruitment at this level and the fact the guy brought in to manage recruitment is his mate and the signings made over the summer deeply concerns me. If we are to keep DC it should be on the basis that we bring in a decent head of recruitment and as such rather then dreaming of brining Holloway back it should instead be the guy who helped him sign most of the decent players who have played for him Gary Penrice. I don’t know how you can say DC isn’t good at recruitment at this level when we’ve consistently lost our best player in the last three windows but still managed 2 mid table finishes at this level with a lower league 1 budget. The majority of our squad has been signed by him and we’ve risen 2 tiers and then stayed there. These are facts that are hard to argue with surely ?!
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Post by socrates on Nov 4, 2018 11:26:25 GMT
His recruitment was good in non league. He has lost his way and the squad has substantially gone backwards since we replaced the bulk of his original squad. Thats different to how you worded it and i think his recruitment at this level is bad based on the last 2 or 3 windows It’s a results business and we’ve finished mid table twice so far . You say we’ve gone backwards but we haven’t we’re still league 1 ! If we go down this season then obviously he only got it right two out of three if we stay up then his recruitment in league 1 has been good enough three out of three in my opinion especially when you consider we continue to lose our best attacking player every window.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Nov 4, 2018 12:05:20 GMT
DC needs money and then spend it well in January. Get either wrong and we will continue to struggle, get it right and mid table safety will be possible.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 4, 2018 15:12:06 GMT
This season is the first poor spell we’ve had back in the League. Autumn 15 when we couldn’t buy a home win was kept ok by the fact that we were winning plenty away. Once he turned the home form around after November we pushed up the league to promotion. So now we are all frustrated and questioning DC. In 15/16 he signed Montano, Bodin, Lines, Gaffney and Clarke who all played major parts in the promotion. Other signings, Chapman, Nicholls, Monakano, Cowan-Hall, Lawrence, Fallon and McBurnie played small or no part in our ultimate success. Some of them were loans which must count. Overall that was good recruitment. In 16/17 he signed Roos, Lumley, Hartley, Sweeney, Salter-Clark, Burn, Moore, Colkett, Boateng and James. Of those only Hartley, Burn and Moore were permanent and none were that successful. The rest were loans. In that season the signings were poor on hindsight in that none really improved us. We were fortunate that the majority of the squad from non league were good and got better. But as we lost Taylor and you see what we signed it says more about what DC was allowed to spend, Peanuts, and it shouldn’t be a judgement on him. In 17/18 he signed Smith, Slocombe, Partington, Bola, Mellinese, Sweeney, Craig, Sercombe, Mensah, Bennett, Nichols and Telford. It was the first time he really changed the squad from non league. Of that lot only Bola, Sweeney and Telford were loans. The others were permanent. Of those, imo, only Craig, Sercombe and perhaps Bennett have been truly good signings. There have been fitness problems with Mellinese, Joe P and they could still come good as could Nichols. The keepers, Mensah and even most of the loans didn’t really improve us. So with only TC, LS and questionably Bennett overall we were weaker then than the previous season.
This season he signed Upson, Bonham, Holmes-Dennis, Martin, Rodman, Matthews, Reilly, Payne and Jakubiak. Only Upson, H-D (?),Rodman, Matthews, Reilly and Payne were permanent. Of those none have really started with an impact though I think Upson will come good and I wonder, considering when they were signed, how many were DCs first choice . Not many I suspect. And again I suspect what DC has been given to spend on signings will be the main factor in what we have and it wasn’t much.
Overall I can see what posters mean when they say DC has had money to spend on Nichols and Payne and it’s been poor. Few of these more recent signings have had an impact, nor have they actually improved us a team. DC takes the blame but whether it’s his fault or the owners is a different matter. What we haven’t done, knowing the budget restrictions, is develop a transfer policy that takes into account what we are, a club on a limited budget with limited facilities. With all of our chiefs, Owner, Chairman, head of recruitment, CEO, background staff it’s sad that they haven’t developed some kind of recruitment policy to match our resources. We need to be getting younger, more enthusiastic, capable players, the best players from leagues below us, develop them and then sell them on if they don’t want to stay. We shouldn’t be desperate to buy players who want a fat contract. Nor should we be in the last few days of the transfer window with only two forwards signed up. I hoped we had learnt those lessons. And of course the bottom line is whatever DC has tried to do he has not replaced Taylor or Bodin. Losing Ellis and Rory has just made a poor position even worse. Whether that’s DC or the owners fault is up to individuals. I think it’s more about the owners doing a disappearing act and leaving DC to face the press each week but he’s got to accept that Payne and Nichols haven’t had the impact that he or us were hoping, but he knows that! UTG!
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Post by socrates on Nov 4, 2018 16:56:10 GMT
This season is the first poor spell we’ve had back in the League. Autumn 15 when we couldn’t buy a home win was kept ok by the fact that we were winning plenty away. Once he turned the home form around after November we pushed up the league to promotion. So now we are all frustrated and questioning DC. In 15/16 he signed Montano, Bodin, Lines, Gaffney and Clarke who all played major parts in the promotion. Other signings, Chapman, Nicholls, Monakano, Cowan-Hall, Lawrence, Fallon and McBurnie played small or no part in our ultimate success. Some of them were loans which must count. Overall that was good recruitment. In 16/17 he signed Roos, Lumley, Hartley, Sweeney, Salter-Clark, Burn, Moore, Colkett, Boateng and James. Of those only Hartley, Burn and Moore were permanent and none were that successful. The rest were loans. In that season the signings were poor on hindsight in that none really improved us. We were fortunate that the majority of the squad from non league were good and got better. But as we lost Taylor and you see what we signed it says more about what DC was allowed to spend, Peanuts, and it shouldn’t be a judgement on him. In 17/18 he signed Smith, Slocombe, Partington, Bola, Mellinese, Sweeney, Craig, Sercombe, Mensah, Bennett, Nichols and Telford. It was the first time he really changed the squad from non league. Of that lot only Bola, Sweeney and Telford were loans. The others were permanent. Of those, imo, only Craig, Sercombe and perhaps Bennett have been truly good signings. There have been fitness problems with Mellinese, Joe P and they could still come good as could Nichols. The keepers, Mensah and even most of the loans didn’t really improve us. So with only TC, LS and questionably Bennett overall we were weaker then than the previous season. This season he signed Upson, Bonham, Holmes-Dennis, Martin, Rodman, Matthews, Reilly, Payne and Jakubiak. Only Upson, H-D (?),Rodman, Matthews, Reilly and Payne were permanent. Of those none have really started with an impact though I think Upson will come good and I wonder, considering when they were signed, how many were DCs first choice . Not many I suspect. And again I suspect what DC has been given to spend on signings will be the main factor in what we have and it wasn’t much. Overall I can see what posters mean when they say DC has had money to spend on Nichols and Payne and it’s been poor. Few of these more recent signings have had an impact, nor have they actually improved us a team. DC takes the blame but whether it’s his fault or the owners is a different matter. What we haven’t done, knowing the budget restrictions, is develop a transfer policy that takes into account what we are, a club on a limited budget with limited facilities. With all of our chiefs, Owner, Chairman, head of recruitment, CEO, background staff it’s sad that they haven’t developed some kind of recruitment policy to match our resources. We need to be getting younger, more enthusiastic, capable players, the best players from leagues below us, develop them and then sell them on if they don’t want to stay. We shouldn’t be desperate to buy players who want a fat contract. Nor should we be in the last few days of the transfer window with only two forwards signed up. I hoped we had learnt those lessons. And of course the bottom line is whatever DC has tried to do he has not replaced Taylor or Bodin. Losing Ellis and Rory has just made a poor position even worse. Whether that’s DC or the owners fault is up to individuals. I think it’s more about the owners doing a disappearing act and leaving DC to face the press each week but he’s got to accept that Payne and Nichols haven’t had the impact that he or us were hoping, but he knows that! UTG! I agree with most of that but let’s judge these signings at the end of this season. I remember Michael Smith being awful up until Christmas and went on to become our player of the season. That’s just one example. Ultimately if we can finish mid table again then the signings have been good if we stay up then DCs done ok and if we go down then he’s failed. Like I said it’s a results business . So far DC has had 4 good seasons let’s wait and see how we get on in his 5th. UTG
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Post by dinsdale on Nov 4, 2018 17:38:07 GMT
This season is the first poor spell we’ve had back in the League. Autumn 15 when we couldn’t buy a home win was kept ok by the fact that we were winning plenty away. Once he turned the home form around after November we pushed up the league to promotion. So now we are all frustrated and questioning DC. In 15/16 he signed Montano, Bodin, Lines, Gaffney and Clarke who all played major parts in the promotion. Other signings, Chapman, Nicholls, Monakano, Cowan-Hall, Lawrence, Fallon and McBurnie played small or no part in our ultimate success. Some of them were loans which must count. Overall that was good recruitment. In 16/17 he signed Roos, Lumley, Hartley, Sweeney, Salter-Clark, Burn, Moore, Colkett, Boateng and James. Of those only Hartley, Burn and Moore were permanent and none were that successful. The rest were loans. In that season the signings were poor on hindsight in that none really improved us. We were fortunate that the majority of the squad from non league were good and got better. But as we lost Taylor and you see what we signed it says more about what DC was allowed to spend, Peanuts, and it shouldn’t be a judgement on him. In 17/18 he signed Smith, Slocombe, Partington, Bola, Mellinese, Sweeney, Craig, Sercombe, Mensah, Bennett, Nichols and Telford. It was the first time he really changed the squad from non league. Of that lot only Bola, Sweeney and Telford were loans. The others were permanent. Of those, imo, only Craig, Sercombe and perhaps Bennett have been truly good signings. There have been fitness problems with Mellinese, Joe P and they could still come good as could Nichols. The keepers, Mensah and even most of the loans didn’t really improve us. So with only TC, LS and questionably Bennett overall we were weaker then than the previous season. This season he signed Upson, Bonham, Holmes-Dennis, Martin, Rodman, Matthews, Reilly, Payne and Jakubiak. Only Upson, H-D (?),Rodman, Matthews, Reilly and Payne were permanent. Of those none have really started with an impact though I think Upson will come good and I wonder, considering when they were signed, how many were DCs first choice . Not many I suspect. And again I suspect what DC has been given to spend on signings will be the main factor in what we have and it wasn’t much. Overall I can see what posters mean when they say DC has had money to spend on Nichols and Payne and it’s been poor. Few of these more recent signings have had an impact, nor have they actually improved us a team. DC takes the blame but whether it’s his fault or the owners is a different matter. What we haven’t done, knowing the budget restrictions, is develop a transfer policy that takes into account what we are, a club on a limited budget with limited facilities. With all of our chiefs, Owner, Chairman, head of recruitment, CEO, background staff it’s sad that they haven’t developed some kind of recruitment policy to match our resources. We need to be getting younger, more enthusiastic, capable players, the best players from leagues below us, develop them and then sell them on if they don’t want to stay. We shouldn’t be desperate to buy players who want a fat contract. Nor should we be in the last few days of the transfer window with only two forwards signed up. I hoped we had learnt those lessons. And of course the bottom line is whatever DC has tried to do he has not replaced Taylor or Bodin. Losing Ellis and Rory has just made a poor position even worse. Whether that’s DC or the owners fault is up to individuals. I think it’s more about the owners doing a disappearing act and leaving DC to face the press each week but he’s got to accept that Payne and Nichols haven’t had the impact that he or us were hoping, but he knows that! UTG! Wareham this proves my point and you made an excellent summary - just a handfull of successful players since our return to the league out of 30 plus signings and as we both agree this summer was the first big overhall of our double promotion squad largely constructed in non league. Whilst i agree there are serious questions around backing other clubs have outperformed us on smaller budgets. Im a big fan of DC however hes largely been left to do everything himself since he joined. Not all great managers are great scouts and a management of a club is a team effort. What im advocating is not the end of DC but more support identifying players. Widdringtons had a dire start and was recruited as hes DC’s mate. Id like to see us hire a really decent head of recruitment so we can return to the brief era under Holloway, Penrice and Everson when we had a conveyor belt of cheap talent coming through. Too much has been put on DC who is a relatively inexperienced manager. Having a real football man on the board that can see the bigger picture would be a start.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 4, 2018 18:30:36 GMT
This season is the first poor spell we’ve had back in the League. Autumn 15 when we couldn’t buy a home win was kept ok by the fact that we were winning plenty away. Once he turned the home form around after November we pushed up the league to promotion. So now we are all frustrated and questioning DC. In 15/16 he signed Montano, Bodin, Lines, Gaffney and Clarke who all played major parts in the promotion. Other signings, Chapman, Nicholls, Monakano, Cowan-Hall, Lawrence, Fallon and McBurnie played small or no part in our ultimate success. Some of them were loans which must count. Overall that was good recruitment. In 16/17 he signed Roos, Lumley, Hartley, Sweeney, Salter-Clark, Burn, Moore, Colkett, Boateng and James. Of those only Hartley, Burn and Moore were permanent and none were that successful. The rest were loans. In that season the signings were poor on hindsight in that none really improved us. We were fortunate that the majority of the squad from non league were good and got better. But as we lost Taylor and you see what we signed it says more about what DC was allowed to spend, Peanuts, and it shouldn’t be a judgement on him. In 17/18 he signed Smith, Slocombe, Partington, Bola, Mellinese, Sweeney, Craig, Sercombe, Mensah, Bennett, Nichols and Telford. It was the first time he really changed the squad from non league. Of that lot only Bola, Sweeney and Telford were loans. The others were permanent. Of those, imo, only Craig, Sercombe and perhaps Bennett have been truly good signings. There have been fitness problems with Mellinese, Joe P and they could still come good as could Nichols. The keepers, Mensah and even most of the loans didn’t really improve us. So with only TC, LS and questionably Bennett overall we were weaker then than the previous season. This season he signed Upson, Bonham, Holmes-Dennis, Martin, Rodman, Matthews, Reilly, Payne and Jakubiak. Only Upson, H-D (?),Rodman, Matthews, Reilly and Payne were permanent. Of those none have really started with an impact though I think Upson will come good and I wonder, considering when they were signed, how many were DCs first choice . Not many I suspect. And again I suspect what DC has been given to spend on signings will be the main factor in what we have and it wasn’t much. Overall I can see what posters mean when they say DC has had money to spend on Nichols and Payne and it’s been poor. Few of these more recent signings have had an impact, nor have they actually improved us a team. DC takes the blame but whether it’s his fault or the owners is a different matter. What we haven’t done, knowing the budget restrictions, is develop a transfer policy that takes into account what we are, a club on a limited budget with limited facilities. With all of our chiefs, Owner, Chairman, head of recruitment, CEO, background staff it’s sad that they haven’t developed some kind of recruitment policy to match our resources. We need to be getting younger, more enthusiastic, capable players, the best players from leagues below us, develop them and then sell them on if they don’t want to stay. We shouldn’t be desperate to buy players who want a fat contract. Nor should we be in the last few days of the transfer window with only two forwards signed up. I hoped we had learnt those lessons. And of course the bottom line is whatever DC has tried to do he has not replaced Taylor or Bodin. Losing Ellis and Rory has just made a poor position even worse. Whether that’s DC or the owners fault is up to individuals. I think it’s more about the owners doing a disappearing act and leaving DC to face the press each week but he’s got to accept that Payne and Nichols haven’t had the impact that he or us were hoping, but he knows that! UTG! I agree with most of that but let’s judge these signings at the end of this season. I remember Michael Smith being awful up until Christmas and went on to become our player of the season. That’s just one example. Ultimately if we can finish mid table again then the signings have been good if we stay up then DCs done ok and if we go down then he’s failed. Like I said it’s a results business . So far DC has had 4 good seasons let’s wait and see how we get on in his 5th. UTG Don’t disagree Socrates but the thread is now so.... My post certainly wasn’t against DC because I like the way he improved players we had in the Conference through his coaching into solid league 1 players. And that’s always a sign of a good manager. It wasn’t his fault his best players were sold from under him. But I don’t think there’s any getting away from the current position that Nichols and Payne haven’t had, so far, the impact he was hoping for. They may still do ok, I hope so. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 4, 2018 18:38:23 GMT
This season is the first poor spell we’ve had back in the League. Autumn 15 when we couldn’t buy a home win was kept ok by the fact that we were winning plenty away. Once he turned the home form around after November we pushed up the league to promotion. So now we are all frustrated and questioning DC. In 15/16 he signed Montano, Bodin, Lines, Gaffney and Clarke who all played major parts in the promotion. Other signings, Chapman, Nicholls, Monakano, Cowan-Hall, Lawrence, Fallon and McBurnie played small or no part in our ultimate success. Some of them were loans which must count. Overall that was good recruitment. In 16/17 he signed Roos, Lumley, Hartley, Sweeney, Salter-Clark, Burn, Moore, Colkett, Boateng and James. Of those only Hartley, Burn and Moore were permanent and none were that successful. The rest were loans. In that season the signings were poor on hindsight in that none really improved us. We were fortunate that the majority of the squad from non league were good and got better. But as we lost Taylor and you see what we signed it says more about what DC was allowed to spend, Peanuts, and it shouldn’t be a judgement on him. In 17/18 he signed Smith, Slocombe, Partington, Bola, Mellinese, Sweeney, Craig, Sercombe, Mensah, Bennett, Nichols and Telford. It was the first time he really changed the squad from non league. Of that lot only Bola, Sweeney and Telford were loans. The others were permanent. Of those, imo, only Craig, Sercombe and perhaps Bennett have been truly good signings. There have been fitness problems with Mellinese, Joe P and they could still come good as could Nichols. The keepers, Mensah and even most of the loans didn’t really improve us. So with only TC, LS and questionably Bennett overall we were weaker then than the previous season. This season he signed Upson, Bonham, Holmes-Dennis, Martin, Rodman, Matthews, Reilly, Payne and Jakubiak. Only Upson, H-D (?),Rodman, Matthews, Reilly and Payne were permanent. Of those none have really started with an impact though I think Upson will come good and I wonder, considering when they were signed, how many were DCs first choice . Not many I suspect. And again I suspect what DC has been given to spend on signings will be the main factor in what we have and it wasn’t much. Overall I can see what posters mean when they say DC has had money to spend on Nichols and Payne and it’s been poor. Few of these more recent signings have had an impact, nor have they actually improved us a team. DC takes the blame but whether it’s his fault or the owners is a different matter. What we haven’t done, knowing the budget restrictions, is develop a transfer policy that takes into account what we are, a club on a limited budget with limited facilities. With all of our chiefs, Owner, Chairman, head of recruitment, CEO, background staff it’s sad that they haven’t developed some kind of recruitment policy to match our resources. We need to be getting younger, more enthusiastic, capable players, the best players from leagues below us, develop them and then sell them on if they don’t want to stay. We shouldn’t be desperate to buy players who want a fat contract. Nor should we be in the last few days of the transfer window with only two forwards signed up. I hoped we had learnt those lessons. And of course the bottom line is whatever DC has tried to do he has not replaced Taylor or Bodin. Losing Ellis and Rory has just made a poor position even worse. Whether that’s DC or the owners fault is up to individuals. I think it’s more about the owners doing a disappearing act and leaving DC to face the press each week but he’s got to accept that Payne and Nichols haven’t had the impact that he or us were hoping, but he knows that! UTG! Wareham this proves my point and you made an excellent summary - just a handfull of successful players since our return to the league out of 30 plus signings and as we both agree this summer was the first big overhall of our double promotion squad largely constructed in non league. Whilst i agree there are serious questions around backing other clubs have outperformed us on smaller budgets. Im a big fan of DC however hes largely been left to do everything himself since he joined. Not all great managers are great scouts and a management of a club is a team effort. What im advocating is not the end of DC but more support identifying players. Widdringtons had a dire start and was recruited as hes DC’s mate. Id like to see us hire a really decent head of recruitment so we can return to the brief era under Holloway, Penrice and Everson when we had a conveyor belt of cheap talent coming through. Too much has been put on DC who is a relatively inexperienced manager. Having a real football man on the board that can see the bigger picture would be a start. Whilst he might have signed only a ‘handful’ of successful players some have been very good. Our defence now is as good as it’s been in League 1. I know it includes a keeper on loan and not ours. Sercombe and Upson have been good signings. I know some might argue with me over Upson but I’m sure he’ll come good as will Bennett. So I think our midfield options are as good as they’ve been. But it’s up front where it’s been more difficult. Socrates is probably right, we’ll need to wait before we know how good they are. But that could come at a cost. UTG!
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Post by dinsdale on Nov 4, 2018 18:49:35 GMT
Its creative players we need as much as strikers. Someone who can put a decent ball into the box or a killer through ball.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 4, 2018 19:32:38 GMT
Look, for me, if you look at the top managers, with premier league silly budgets, even they will struggle to succeed on over 50% of their signings. For every star there’s a lead balloon. D.C. is just suffering the same issue that every other manager has to contend with/
Tommy W has also come in for a hammering owing to the poor summer recruitment. I’m sure others at the Football Index will atttest that if you meet the guy you will be confident about our chances to secure high quality players ongoing. What probably hasn’t been said is how it sounds like it takes a long long time for someone in that position to make an impact. They’re looking sometimes even 18-24 months down the line when scouting talent and building up a database. Most interesting though is that tommy said that any player he recommended to Coventry, he was unable to recommend contractually to us once he came on board. He also said coming into the club the scouting network was nonexistent. I think it’s this which is hurting us and we need to give D.C. a chance at this level with TW by his side.
We need to dust ourselves down and go again for the rest of the season.
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Post by justin blue on Nov 4, 2018 21:45:31 GMT
We have finally turned up this season by all accounts. The forwards arn't getting the goals, but it sounds like they are putting a shift and they still have the belief. These guys have done it before they just need to get their mojo back. Maybe a break from league and a game against lower opposition might give them the chance. I don't agree that DC is bad at recruitment he knows these guys have something he just needs to unlock it. He's done it with others maybe we just need to be a bit more patient.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 21:50:10 GMT
And you have conveniently overlooked that they were effectively the replacements for Taylor, Bodin and Harrison, who went for a combined fee of around £1.5 million and who were worth a lot more than that. How is that ‘holding our own’ in the transfer market? Surely "holding our own" is competing with mid table Div 1 sides like Southend & Gillingham etc, who many of them spent even £100K on strikers? We could have signed Godden for around £400K and he's almost into double figures, Ollie and you are living in dream land if you think we're going to paying out £500K+ for a striker. As far as Cureton I think we all know why he left! Go on then, why did Cureton leave?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 4, 2018 22:00:28 GMT
A few observations from what it is worth... 1) Not watching your team because you do not happen to like the manager is pathetic beyond belief and actually harming the club you claim to support. Quite frankly the club do not need fans like you anyway, so probably best for all you stay away. 2) Good read and whilst I agree there is nothing controversial there as perhaps we have come to expect from 'Ollie', it is none the less pretty much spot on. I believe the fee paid for Nichols was in the region of £250K, now whilst Tom to date has proved to be a disaster of a signing, £250k does not constitute a large investment by the club (and thus neither does it constitute a show of ambition either). I agree that we now need to go out and show some serious ambition and go after a Stockley type player who is proven at the level below at least. However, we needed to do that in the summer and ended up with Payne... So I don't hold my breath on that happening in Jan. 3) Irony is not lost on me that the very man some are saying should be our new manager is himself saying that we should in fact stick with our existing manager! Quite amusing really. Nichols cost us a rumoured £350K, he probably banked a 3 year contact at £150K/£200K p.a. so that's the best part of a £1m outlay if he sees out his contract. That's likely to be the biggest outlay on a player since Lambart. As far as signing the likes of Stockley there's no way the present owners are going to allow DC to spend £750K+ on one player.
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Post by Gasshole on Nov 5, 2018 0:11:33 GMT
It’s a low risk to say...spend $750k on a Lamborghini. It’s going to go really fast. You could spend that on a striker, but it’s a risk. Footballers are fragile, there’s many reasons they underperform at a new club. Might be, travel, location, accent, food, language, team mates, manager, training pitch, tea lady, area, fans, playing system, pressure of the water coming out of the shower head. They play well for one team then flop, or take an eternity to come good. Maybe because theirs is a pampered existence, like being an only child. Not like real life, I’ve lived and worked all over the country and many other countries as well. I turn up and do the work consistently, if we don’t we are gone ... rapido. Having said that when I’m working I have not got 11 blokes trying to stop me doing my job or another 5,000 cntus moaning at me. I think i just kicked myself in the bollokcs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 0:21:04 GMT
A few observations from what it is worth... 1) Not watching your team because you do not happen to like the manager is pathetic beyond belief and actually harming the club you claim to support. Quite frankly the club do not need fans like you anyway, so probably best for all you stay away. 2) Good read and whilst I agree there is nothing controversial there as perhaps we have come to expect from 'Ollie', it is none the less pretty much spot on. I believe the fee paid for Nichols was in the region of £250K, now whilst Tom to date has proved to be a disaster of a signing, £250k does not constitute a large investment by the club (and thus neither does it constitute a show of ambition either). I agree that we now need to go out and show some serious ambition and go after a Stockley type player who is proven at the level below at least. However, we needed to do that in the summer and ended up with Payne... So I don't hold my breath on that happening in Jan. 3) Irony is not lost on me that the very man some are saying should be our new manager is himself saying that we should in fact stick with our existing manager! Quite amusing really. Nichols cost us a rumoured £350K, he probably banked a 3 year contact at £150K/£200K p.a. so that's the best part of a £1m outlay if he sees out his contract. That's likely to be the biggest outlay on a player since Lambart. As far as signing the likes of Stockley there's no way the present owners are going to allow DC to spend £750K+ on one player. Pure guesswork yet again on nichols,also im pretty sure at some dinner it was stated that the owners will not entertain 3 year contracts. Can you make up the wages and contracts of the rest of the squad as well?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 5, 2018 6:16:41 GMT
Having said that when I’m working I have not got 11 blokes trying to stop me doing my job or another 5,000 cntus moaning at me. I think i just kicked myself in the bollokcs. Lucky you, my job is often that way except the 11 blokes are evenly split between the genders and the 5000 lady gardens are only about a dozen
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Post by Gasshole on Nov 5, 2018 8:02:03 GMT
Having said that when I’m working I have not got 11 blokes trying to stop me doing my job or another 5,000 cntus moaning at me. I think i just kicked myself in the bollokcs. Lucky you, my job is often that way except the 11 blokes are evenly split between the genders and the 5000 lady gardens are only about a dozen Jeezus sounds brutal, I'd want 4 grand a week and a win bonus for that
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Post by mehewmagic on Nov 5, 2018 14:54:17 GMT
Look, for me, if you look at the top managers, with premier league silly budgets, even they will struggle to succeed on over 50% of their signings. For every star there’s a lead balloon. D.C. is just suffering the same issue that every other manager has to contend with/ Tommy W has also come in for a hammering owing to the poor summer recruitment. I’m sure others at the Football Index will atttest that if you meet the guy you will be confident about our chances to secure high quality players ongoing. What probably hasn’t been said is how it sounds like it takes a long long time for someone in that position to make an impact. They’re looking sometimes even 18-24 months down the line when scouting talent and building up a database. Most interesting though is that tommy said that any player he recommended to Coventry, he was unable to recommend contractually to us once he came on board. He also said coming into the club the scouting network was nonexistent. I think it’s this which is hurting us and we need to give D.C. a chance at this level with TW by his side. We need to dust ourselves down and go again for the rest of the season. Agree with a lot of that. I was also at the Football index event. The one thing I will have to add though is that talk is cheap. I'll pass judgement when the outcomes kick in. No disrespect to TW or anyone else at Rovers but he will be earning a decent whack & every club will be trying to do what he does, and most of them already have systems in place. We sadly have to play catch up a bit.
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Post by lpgas on Nov 6, 2018 15:53:22 GMT
How many good days are we having this season then Loads, How many times have you been to the mem to watch them ? Holloway was ok as a player, as a manager we had some good times but did he take us up? No. did he leave us with a crappy squad that got us relegated. Yes
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Post by lpgas on Nov 6, 2018 15:54:49 GMT
Bodin had a bad injury and came to us asking for a trial, he was given a 3 month contract. DC didn't scout him Lmao are you serious? Bodin was recommended to DC by Ellis. DC still chose to sign him how is that not a DC signing? Nichols was recommended to DC by Stewart but DC takes all the flack for that. As you said DC chose to sign him (Nicholls that is) Re Bodin, what I meant was he came to us, we didn't go looking for him
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