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Post by justin blue on Nov 2, 2018 19:37:32 GMT
Back in the summer of 2000 when I was Rovers manager we sold Bobby Zamora, Jason Roberts and Jamie Cureton to Brighton, West Bromwich Albion and Reading respectively. The Board thought the bottom was about to fall out of the transfer market, a view I didn’t agree with, and wanted to cash in while big fees were still being paid. I have always blamed myself for Zamora leaving because I agreed to loan him to Brighton without first having got him to sign a new contract at Bristol Rovers. He did so well there that a permanent move was always going to follow and we ended up getting peanuts for him. I think his memory has gone a bit haywire. Bobby Zamora on promotion to the first team squad asked for a pay rise, something along the lines of £30 a week. Holloway responded by saying "over my dead body" and said he could go if he didn't like it. Meanwhile he let Cureton go for £110,000, because he blamed Cureton for not getting him promotion. Cureton had won the golden boot 2 years running the year before. As for Roberts he wanted to go and play in a higher league and more money. He talks bollox and now he is getting someone to write it down Cureton went for 368k Roberts wanted better things. Zamora wanted to be near his family in London and has since played for teams in or near London. We didn't get much for him, but he would probably have never been happy at rovers and we done well from the sell-ons.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 2, 2018 19:47:47 GMT
Loads, How many times have you been to the mem to watch them ? None this season and I won't whilst DC is still there you must have a very poor view of good times if you have seen many this season , perhaps you like watching crap football and loosing every week , but each to his ownSo you are saying, or implying, that you only watch us when we are winning or have a good team. Blimey! Your posts get worse and worse, they don’t show your loyalty in a particularly good light. But, as you say, each to his own! UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 20:00:15 GMT
" that at last we would be able to more than hold our own in the transfer market. For whatever reason, it hasn’t happened" I guess, conveniently, Ollie overlooked the ALQ's gave DC £580K/680K to buy Nichols. Mensah & Payne!! And you have conveniently overlooked that they were effectively the replacements for Taylor, Bodin and Harrison, who went for a combined fee of around £1.5 million and who were worth a lot more than that. How is that ‘holding our own’ in the transfer market? Combined fee of closer to £1.3m and their value was dictated by their contract length. In the context of the league we're in and our losses every year, DC has been well backed in the transfer market.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 2, 2018 20:05:05 GMT
So we sell our best players for around 1.5M give or take and then invest a third of it into the team? What would DC hace been allowed to spend if we hadn't sold players? Posh are selling players for £10m but not passing all that on to the manager, that's the way lower league football works, Accrington sold two players for £2m but didn't spend a penny on transfers. There's no team outside the top 6 spending anything like £500K on just 3 strikers. No League 1 club needs 10M though? 3/4M on transfers and you should be able to compete at the right end in this league as long as you keep your better players. Posh are happy to sell them though and just keep reinvesting money in other players in order to sell on. Posh aren't afraid to spend money to make money but that's all their owner seems to want to do. They could hold on to their players with the money they make and give it a real go at promotion but always fall short. Giving DC scraps is no good. Again, would DC have even had that money if it wasn't for the sales of Bodin, Taylor and Harrison? Accrington have the lowest income of the 92 teams in the football league and are shooting way above where they should be. If they went and spent that money they would be jeopardising the clubs future.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 2, 2018 20:37:14 GMT
Posh are selling players for £10m but not passing all that on to the manager, that's the way lower league football works, Accrington sold two players for £2m but didn't spend a penny on transfers. There's no team outside the top 6 spending anything like £500K on just 3 strikers. No League 1 club needs 10M though? 3/4M on transfers and you should be able to compete at the right end in this league as long as you keep your better players. Posh are happy to sell them though and just keep reinvesting money in other players in order to sell on. Posh aren't afraid to spend money to make money but that's all their owner seems to want to do. They could hold on to their players with the money they make and give it a real go at promotion but always fall short. Giving DC scraps is no good. Again, would DC have even had that money if it wasn't for the sales of Bodin, Taylor and Harrison? Accrington have the lowest income of the 92 teams in the football league and are shooting way above where they should be. If they went and spent that money they would be jeopardising the clubs future. But DC'a not being given "scraps" he's been given £600K+ along with a decent playing budget for a mid table Div 1 side, it's a bit of a fallacy that he's not being backed by the owners. As I've already said no other mid table Div 1 club is paying out transfer fees, let along over £500K, hence why we're signing players from Walsall & Shrewsbury.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 2, 2018 20:55:56 GMT
No League 1 club needs 10M though? 3/4M on transfers and you should be able to compete at the right end in this league as long as you keep your better players. Posh are happy to sell them though and just keep reinvesting money in other players in order to sell on. Posh aren't afraid to spend money to make money but that's all their owner seems to want to do. They could hold on to their players with the money they make and give it a real go at promotion but always fall short. Giving DC scraps is no good. Again, would DC have even had that money if it wasn't for the sales of Bodin, Taylor and Harrison? Accrington have the lowest income of the 92 teams in the football league and are shooting way above where they should be. If they went and spent that money they would be jeopardising the clubs future. But DC'a not being given "scraps" he's been given £600K+ along with a decent playing budget for a mid table Div 1 side, it's a bit of a fallacy that he's not being backed by the owners. As I've already said no other mid table Div 1 club is paying out transfer fees, let along over £500K, hence why we're signing players from Walsall & Shrewsbury. Topper 600K over 3 separate transfer windows is scraps. 300K for Matty, 300K replacement in Nicho the following window. Sell Bodin for 500K, replacement Mensah costs five figures? Sell Ellis upwards of 1M including add ons. Replacement in Payne costing 200K including add ons. If we had spent 600K+ in one window I'd be with you a little but we didn't. Because of undisclosed fee's it's hard to know what other clubs paid. Taking a look at some of the clubs who finished around us last season and their transfer business. Bradford: David Ball, George Miller, Lewis O'Brien, Anthony O'Conner, Jack Payne, Sean Scannell, Connor Wood, Josh Wright are all the players they signed on undisclosed fees. Blackpool: Joe Bunney, Joseph Dodoo, Callum Guy, Ben Heneghan, Michael Nottingham, Paudie O'Connor, are all the players they signed on undisclosed fees. Fleetwood: Ched Evans, Jason Holt, James Husband, Craig Morgan, Tommy Spur are all the players they signed on undisclosed fees. Doncaster: Shane Blaney, Jacob Fletcher, Morgan James, Liam Mandeville, Luke McCullough are all the players they signed on undisclosed fees. Oxford: Marcus Browne, Samir Carruthers, Tsun Dai, Jamie Hanson, Jonathan Mitchell, Gavin Whyte are all the players they signed on undisclosed fees. So how are we to know whether teams around us aren't spending similarily? Also who did we sign from Walsall?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 21:03:32 GMT
" that at last we would be able to more than hold our own in the transfer market. For whatever reason, it hasn’t happened" I guess, conveniently, Ollie overlooked the ALQ's gave DC £580K/680K to buy Nichols. Mensah & Payne!! You mean he was allowed a percentage of the taylor,bodin,harrison money to pay lesser fees for players. Dc is in the black on transfer dealings so its misleading to imply the owners were giving him the £500k approx for the 3 players mentioned. With more energetic backing we could easily have been in the championship with taylor,bodin and taylor and without nichols and payne ever being seen at rovers.
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Post by pirate on Nov 2, 2018 23:05:06 GMT
Back in the summer of 2000 when I was Rovers manager we sold Bobby Zamora, Jason Roberts and Jamie Cureton to Brighton, West Bromwich Albion and Reading respectively. The Board thought the bottom was about to fall out of the transfer market, a view I didn’t agree with, and wanted to cash in while big fees were still being paid. I have always blamed myself for Zamora leaving because I agreed to loan him to Brighton without first having got him to sign a new contract at Bristol Rovers. He did so well there that a permanent move was always going to follow and we ended up getting peanuts for him. I think his memory has gone a bit haywire. Bobby Zamora on promotion to the first team squad asked for a pay rise, something along the lines of £30 a week. Holloway responded by saying "over my dead body" and said he could go if he didn't like it. Meanwhile he let Cureton go for £110,000, because he blamed Cureton for not getting him promotion. Cureton had won the golden boot 2 years running the year before. As for Roberts he wanted to go and play in a higher league and more money. He talks bollox and now he is getting someone to write it down Cureton went for 368k Roberts wanted better things. Zamora wanted to be near his family in London and has since played for teams in or near London. We didn't get much for him, but he would probably have never been happy at rovers and we done well from the sell-ons. I thought Curo went for £200k, but according to this and other articles the fee was £250k. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/reading/887243.stm
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Post by lpgas on Nov 2, 2018 23:26:45 GMT
I agree with Ollie regarding DC. The manager must be backed to bring in a couple of strikers in January. How? we are already at the EFL limit of 85% of income. As we saw he had to let Mensah out on loan to get Martin in. And don't say we will have the Ipswich money because that will not count until next seasons budget and they are paying it on the old HP
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Post by lpgas on Nov 2, 2018 23:29:50 GMT
Back in the summer of 2000 when I was Rovers manager we sold Bobby Zamora, Jason Roberts and Jamie Cureton to Brighton, West Bromwich Albion and Reading respectively. The Board thought the bottom was about to fall out of the transfer market, a view I didn’t agree with, and wanted to cash in while big fees were still being paid. I have always blamed myself for Zamora leaving because I agreed to loan him to Brighton without first having got him to sign a new contract at Bristol Rovers. He did so well there that a permanent move was always going to follow and we ended up getting peanuts for him. I think his memory has gone a bit haywire. Bobby Zamora on promotion to the first team squad asked for a pay rise, something along the lines of £30 a week. Holloway responded by saying "over my dead body" and said he could go if he didn't like it. Meanwhile he let Cureton go for £110,000, because he blamed Cureton for not getting him promotion. Cureton had won the golden boot 2 years running the year before. As for Roberts he wanted to go and play in a higher league and more money. He talks bollox and now he is getting someone to write it down Cureton went for 368k Roberts wanted better things. Zamora wanted to be near his family in London and has since played for teams in or near London. We didn't get much for him, but he would probably have never been happy at rovers and we done well from the sell-ons. That is patently incorrect. Cureton went for £110, and when we next went to reading we had to endure them singing "Jamie Cureton what a bargain", and what I have said about Zamora is true, I know because I was VERY friendly with one of the top players at that time. Holloway is a muppet and should never be allowed back
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Post by pirate on Nov 2, 2018 23:40:25 GMT
I agree with Ollie regarding DC. The manager must be backed to bring in a couple of strikers in January. How? we are already at the EFL limit of 85% of income. As we saw he had to let Mensah out on loan to get Martin in. And don't say we will have the Ipswich money because that will not count until next seasons budget and they are paying it on the old HP The owner will have to do something. 'Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing club debts. In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions.' www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php
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Post by pirate on Nov 2, 2018 23:42:01 GMT
Cureton went for 368k Roberts wanted better things. Zamora wanted to be near his family in London and has since played for teams in or near London. We didn't get much for him, but he would probably have never been happy at rovers and we done well from the sell-ons. That is patently incorrect. Cureton went for £110, and when we next went to reading we had to endure them singing "Jamie Cureton what a bargain", and what I have said about Zamora is true, I know because I was VERY friendly with one of the top players at that time. Holloway is a muppet and should never be allowed back Curo went for £250k. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/reading/887243.stm
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Post by lpgas on Nov 3, 2018 0:02:13 GMT
How? we are already at the EFL limit of 85% of income. As we saw he had to let Mensah out on loan to get Martin in. And don't say we will have the Ipswich money because that will not count until next seasons budget and they are paying it on the old HP The owner will have to do something. 'Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing club debts. In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions.' www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.phpThey have already said they are not going to do that. Personally after the crap DC has brought in why would you trust him with more money?
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Post by pirate on Nov 3, 2018 0:26:45 GMT
The owner will have to do something. 'Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing club debts. In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions.' www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.phpThey have already said they are not going to do that. Personally after the crap DC has brought in why would you trust him with more money? If we need reinforcements and extra quality brought in, which we clearly do, then there is no alternative and the owner will have to change his mind and donate some money. It is either that or continue struggling with what we have and face a bigger risk of relegation. You have to trust him or sack him. Simple as that. If you aren't going to trust him and back him in the transfer market then there is no point in him being here.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 3, 2018 7:26:41 GMT
They have already said they are not going to do that. Personally after the crap DC has brought in why would you trust him with more money? If we need reinforcements and extra quality brought in, which we clearly do, then there is no alternative and the owner will have to change his mind and donate some money. It is either that or continue struggling with what we have and face a bigger risk of relegation. You have to trust him or sack him. Simple as that. If you aren't going to trust him and back him in the transfer market then there is no point in him being here. That discussion may well take place this week if we lose again today, assuming someone is still making those decisions and we're not just sleep walking back to Div 2.
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Post by justin blue on Nov 3, 2018 10:13:24 GMT
Cureton went for 368k Roberts wanted better things. Zamora wanted to be near his family in London and has since played for teams in or near London. We didn't get much for him, but he would probably have never been happy at rovers and we done well from the sell-ons. That is patently incorrect. Cureton went for £110, and when we next went to reading we had to endure them singing "Jamie Cureton what a bargain", and what I have said about Zamora is true, I know because I was VERY friendly with one of the top players at that time. Holloway is a muppet and should never be allowed back Actually what you have said is your interpretation of events based on things you have heard read or seen. According to Transfer market. Co.uk the fee was as 1 said, can you back what you have said. According to Ollies book Zamora did ask for an immediate pay rise to play in the first team and Ollie refused for reasons stated on this thread. Of course you know better because you say you were best buddies with a top player who you can't name. How original
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 3, 2018 12:41:38 GMT
Cureton went for 368k Roberts wanted better things. Zamora wanted to be near his family in London and has since played for teams in or near London. We didn't get much for him, but he would probably have never been happy at rovers and we done well from the sell-ons. That is patently incorrect. Cureton went for £110, and when we next went to reading we had to endure them singing "Jamie Cureton what a bargain", and what I have said about Zamora is true, I know because I was VERY friendly with one of the top players at that time. Holloway is a muppet and should never be allowed back
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Post by dinsdale on Nov 3, 2018 14:40:18 GMT
Based on signings made since our return to the league the last person we want to spend large sums of money were they to be invested is DC. He is not good at recruitment at this level and the fact the guy brought in to manage recruitment is his mate and the signings made over the summer deeply concerns me.
If we are to keep DC it should be on the basis that we bring in a decent head of recruitment and as such rather then dreaming of brining Holloway back it should instead be the guy who helped him sign most of the decent players who have played for him Gary Penrice.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 3, 2018 14:52:49 GMT
Based on signings made since our return to the league the last person we want to spend large sums of money were they to be invested is DC. He is not good at recruitment at this level and the fact the guy brought in to manage recruitment is his mate and the signings made over the summer deeply concerns me. If we are to keep DC it should be on the basis that we bring in a decent head of recruitment and as such rather then dreaming of brining Holloway back it should instead be the guy who helped him sign most of the decent players who have played for him Gary Penrice. Ehh. Bodin, Gaffers, Lines(was only on loan during the conference season remember), James Clarke, Sweeney, Lumley, Colkett (hit/miss, but not bad), Partington, Sercombe, Bennett, Bonham and Matthews have hardly been bad signings? Still waiting on THD but could be a very good signing when fit. That's a decent team of signings right there and I've probably missed a few out. Lumley Partington J Clarke Sweeney THD Bennett Sercombe Lines Matthews Gaffney Bodin Every manager has bad signings, DC's hasn't been bad people just make it much worse than it is because we haven't been able to replace high caliber players like Taylor and Bodin.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 3, 2018 14:56:09 GMT
And you have conveniently overlooked that they were effectively the replacements for Taylor, Bodin and Harrison, who went for a combined fee of around £1.5 million and who were worth a lot more than that. How is that ‘holding our own’ in the transfer market? Surely "holding our own" is competing with mid table Div 1 sides like Southend & Gillingham etc, who many of them spent even £100K on strikers? We could have signed Godden for around £400K and he's almost into double figures, Ollie and you are living in dream land if you think we're going to paying out £500K+ for a striker. As far as Cureton I think we all know why he left! It’s not all about fees. Far more about wages. I never would have expected all the money to be ploughed back into our budget but the main point is that it was criminal that we let those three go for so little, given the importance they had on our results. That’s why they are so hard to replace.
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